VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

The scenario I am proposing can be coded as such: Ian views the dream (v11_gillian_dream = 2) and Ian does not "break the wheel" during the second dream. Then when the meeting happens there will probably be another choice to lock Ian into that route.

"Break the wheel" sets Gillian's flag to false and makes Ian automatically reject her invite. So i don't think it can be used to determine anything beyond "engage with Gillian at all", especially since breaking the wheel is only possible if Ian has active romantic relationship with another girl.

So, since leaving the wheel intact is basically mandatory if one wants Gillian content, that would make the cuck aspect hinge entirely on that single dream choice and like i said, i'd hope the player would have ultimately more control over the outcome than that.

 

[Socrambus]

- Skill levels are close to reaching the maximum (assuming an average run, by fucking everything we can already reach 9 if not 10). If we assume half a level per chapter, then it leads towards 16 chapters -
Chapter 10 - 7
Chapter 11 - 7,5
Chapter 12 - 8
Chapter 13 - 8,5
Chapter 14 - 9
Chapter 15 - 9,5
Chapter 16 - 10

Why are you assuming attribute levels will top at 10?. Relationships levels currently top at 12 for example.

That's good the main character works for you. That is some good side content that everyone has their preferences.

for the later commentary regarding the Holly, Minerva, and villian seymore type characters, these could all still exist in a different fork. I don't see their role as "innocent/shy" or "hot boss" or "wealthy villain." Those types could all exist in an environment where Ian was in an industry that was known for partying and illicit behavior than that of the writing community stereotypically known as introverts. Then again I'm sure Stephen King and George RR Martin are just drowning in

You would be surprised. But maybe Ian could have been an aspiring musician working at a music magazine/publishing label. That would be cooler and would allow for some early stage groupies I guess. Maybe Emma could still be playing with him and would be more common ground with Lena in addition to also fitting well with Holly/Minerva/Seymour. But I think you will always need the more grounded daily job for the same reason that Lena works as a waitress instead of having an aspiring model glamorous lifestyle, it fits better with the more down to earth tone of the game.

Gillian has a lot to make up for that to happen. The first thing she said when reuniting with Ian was that she's back in town because her boyfriend found a job. That's a tough pill to swallow for any dude, and Ian indicates that he doesn't want to be the one to make the first move. And I agree it makes more sense in the sense of storyline for Gillian to put in more effort. I'm all for Gillian's path, as I think she's the prettiest gal in the game, but the storyline is too messed up for Ian, and the timeline is too early for any reconciliation in the bedroom.

The problem is the game won't drag on forever. Even with the most generous estimate for the game going up to 20 chapters still risks plot points feeling rushed. I can see a version of events where Ian and Gillian have coffee, reconnect, and Ian walks Gillian home.... and magic happens. Sure it might feel rushed and might not be written the best, but also EK might not have a choice and will have to condense plotlines to the essentials and avoid having things build up over multiple chapters.

I think Gillian is the worst handled character in Ian's part of the game, specially compared to Lena's counterpart Axel. I would have probably forced a more present Gillian, like maybe she starts working at Ian's job and she's more of a real temptation to go back to the past instead of getting over it, instead of a metaphysical one (with the dreams and so on). There could be interesting dynamics between them with jealousy going both ways if Ian is getting in a relationship with another girl.

 

[fatpussy123]

"Break the wheel" sets Gillian's flag to false and makes Ian automatically reject her invite. So i don't think it can be used to determine anything beyond "engage with Gillian at all", especially since breaking the wheel is only possible if Ian has active romantic relationship with another girl.

So, since leaving the wheel intact is basically mandatory if one wants Gillian content, that would make the cuck aspect hinge entirely on that single dream choice and like i said, i'd hope the player would have ultimately more control over the outcome than that.

Mmmh, I find it weird for EK to have the "vanilla" Gillian content be gatekept by having to watch her get fucked twice in Ian's dream. It fits for a cuck route, but not for vanilla players imo.

Maybe the vanilla route will be accessible to Ian who has moved on and blocked her? Then Gillian would have to make more of an effort, similar to slut Holly. I doubt the last time Ian who moved on sees Gillian is online when he blocks her. So next time they run into each other Gillian might try to force a hangout and if Ian accepts that would open the path up? Just spitballing here.

 

[Socrambus]

Mmmh, I find it weird for EK to have the "vanilla" Gillian content be gatekept by having to watch her get fucked twice in Ian's dream. It fits for a cuck route, but not for vanilla players imo.

Maybe the vanilla route will be accessible to Ian who has moved on and blocked her? Then Gillian would have to make more of an effort, similar to slut Holly. I doubt the last time Ian who moved on sees Gillian is online when he blocks her. So next time they run into each other Gillian might try to force a hangout and if Ian accepts that would open the path up? Just spitballing here.

It's also pretty strange the lack of a boyfriend in any of Gillian's pictures. I'm not sure if it would mean there's a reason for that or it's just Eva overextending the mystery of the boyfriend's identity just for the mystery itself.

 

[notstaged]

I think there's going to be a lot more coming in the next year, and at a faster pace also because the "new" development schedule of prologue, POV 1, POV 2, epilogue - whether we love it or hate it - seems to be working for Eva pretty well, and whatever works for Eva is what will move the game forward for all of us.

Considering the current development pacing is a chapter per year, and split release cycle is being a variation of that, with 15 as a goal - you're looking at 2027, optimistically.

Why are you assuming attribute levels will top at 10? Relationships levels currently top at 12 for example.

Because they are? It's in the code, I think. You can max charisma in the last chapter and after that if story progress awards additional points to that branch it doesn't add anything beyond 10.

I think Gillian is the worst handled character in Ian's part of the game, specially compared to Lena's counterpart Axel.

On that I agree, so far the game was attempting to balance and mirror some of the options for POVs, and ex's being a big part of the narrative for both characters are skewed towards Lena' part of the court. I would go as far as say that even in holly_trinity case, my impression of Ian's part is more of a third wheel in the burgeoning romance between the two ladies. Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Ian is not allowed to be the architect of that, like agreeing with Holly, after the night at the book fair, to keep their fling a secret, and building things further on top of that.

 

[Lord Bradley]

What will the final form of pussywhipped Ian look like in dominant Lena relationship? Chastity? Slave collar? Being vacuum wrapped in plastic?

 

[donorys]

It is better to become a chad than to be born one.

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I probably would've chanted "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!" Let them fight! The bonehead vs the meathead

 

[Housewife]

What will the final form of pussywhipped Ian look like in dominant Lena relationship? Chastity? Slave collar? Being vacuum wrapped in plastic?

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[MaliPizdek]

any word on the best girl aka Cindy?

 

[mommysboiii]

I just dont see Evakiss working in this game for the next 6-10 years to reach 20 chapters or more...
Also im going to be honest,i dont want to wait for many years for the ending,i want to play saves from start to finish as soon as possible,i dont want this game to drag on...

I would rather have one COMPlETE game with satisfying corruption arcs ... and endings like good and bad ones

Than 2 unfinished games in that time frame

 

[Socrambus]

Because they are? It's in the code, I think. You can max charisma in the last chapter and after that if story progress awards additional points to that branch it doesn't add anything beyond 10.

You can't go beyond 10 so far, the same as you couldn't go beyond 10 in relationships until it got expanded to 12. And there has been several "soft" limits since the beginning where you didn't get an attribute increase if you already were beyond a certain number that got expanded chapter by chapter. I see no reason to necessarily assume 10 will be the hard limit for the whole duration of the game.

 

[ffive]

Mmmh, I find it weird for EK to have the "vanilla" Gillian content be gatekept by having to watch her get fucked twice in Ian's dream. It fits for a cuck route, but not for vanilla players imo.

The thing that throws me off is that you get this choice when all you see is Gillian and presumably her new boyfriend kissing, and the flag which is supposed to mean "give in" doesn't get set only if you explicitly choose that "yes i want to see my ex getting fucked" follow up, but also if you pick initial ... option which is then rendered as Ian being just too stunned to react but not actively consenting or wanting to see that.

The second dream doesn't give you any choice in that regard, and just uses whatever option the player picked the first time.

It'd be just too weird to me to railroad Ian on the cuck route simply because he was like "wtf is going on" instead of immediately screaming "wake me up, wake me up!" the moment his ex showed up in a dream. Especially since the ... is pretty much his first reaction to seeing Gillian in any context in the game so far, so i feel it's pretty normal option to pick.

I wanna fuck her with Lena..

I have a perfect scenario just for this:
* Ian and Lena get in relationship
* then they break up because Lena fucked Axel
* Lena gets back to Axel, and heartbroken Ian gets back to Gillian
* then they accidentally all meet
* Lena cucks Ian by fucking Gillian, and Ian cucks Lena by fucking Axel

it ends up all symmetrical, meaning it's a great story

 

[Xupuzulla]

You can't go beyond 10 so far, the same as you couldn't go beyond 10 in relationships until it got expanded to 12. And there has been several "soft" limits since the beginning where you didn't get an attribute increase if you already were beyond a certain number that got expanded chapter by chapter. I see no reason to necessarily assume 10 will be the hard limit for the whole duration of the game.

I was going to say,EK changing the code limit should be easy.
Is possible to reach lvl 10 in easy mode now?

 

[Gicoo]

Why are you assuming attribute levels will top at 10?. Relationships levels currently top at 12 for example.

10 is the maxed out stat when you start the game through cheat mode. Its also the highest stat in the character cards. Relationship levels are something independent of the stat levels.

It's also pretty strange the lack of a boyfriend in any of Gillian's pictures. I'm not sure if it would mean there's a reason for that or it's just Eva overextending the mystery of the boyfriend's identity just for the mystery itself.

The account is new and Gillian contacted Ian to have him see it. If she is entirely satisfied with her boyfriend, she wouldn't offer her ex for a date and befriend him. Its clear she has some relationship issues with her current boyfriend and is interested in Ian, hence she contacts him and doesn't mention her boyfriend. That this plausible characteristic interlines with the narrative intent to keep the boyfriend a secret from us is independend from each other (but quite effectively utilized).

 

[samirmemore]

Will my man Ed ever get an action?

 

[GokutheG]

Will my man Ed ever get an action?

No. The dev decided he wouldn't be a route early in development.

 

[Fellas]

Mmmh, I find it weird for EK to have the "vanilla" Gillian content be gatekept by having to watch her get fucked twice in Ian's dream. It fits for a cuck route, but not for vanilla players imo.

Maybe the vanilla route will be accessible to Ian who has moved on and blocked her? Then Gillian would have to make more of an effort, similar to slut Holly. I doubt the last time Ian who moved on sees Gillian is online when he blocks her. So next time they run into each other Gillian might try to force a hangout and if Ian accepts that would open the path up? Just spitballing here.

There's a dream scene without involving cuckoldery though. Here, where Ian deleted her pictures, still thinking about her, and can't escape the wheel.

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Even then the option to react to her following Ian's social media will still be displayed, whereas The Ian who has moved on will automatically block her.

 

[BlandChili]

I have a perfect scenario just for this:
* Ian and Lena get in relationship
* then they break up because Lena fucked Axel
* Lena gets back to Axel, and heartbroken Ian gets back to Gillian
* then they accidentally all meet
* Lena cucks Ian by fucking Gillian, and Ian cucks Lena by fucking Axel

it ends up all symmetrical, meaning it's a great story

I know you're cooking, but ideally no lesbian content is gatekept by needing to get with any men first

 

[ffive]

There's a dream scene without involving cuckoldery though. Here, where Ian deleted her pictures, still thinking about her, and can't escape the wheel.

This seems like side-effect of continuing old save, or playing earlier build of the game. In the current release:

    if v3_gillian_stop:
        $ gillian_stop = True
        scene summerroom with long
        jump v12summerday3morning

If Ian has deleted Gillian's pictures in Ch.3 then the game should automatically omit the dream sequence and simply have him wake up in the morning.

The variant you have on screenshots will now trigger if Ian didn't delete the pictures, doesn't have any new love interest and interrupted the first dream.

 

[swiver]

There was a change made in that scene since initial release. Gillian now offers Ian to meet for a coffee if Ian hasn't moved on and admits as much. Also, Ian that did move on automatically rejects her social media request.

shame, there should be a variant where she is thursting. It could be like with Jess, a variant of her own (un)happiness in the current relatioship/situation..

Yep. Either way I don't think Gillian would invite Ian for no reason and I also think that reason isn't to just outright cuck him. From her dialogue I think she misses Ian and regrets what she did. So if the coffee date goes well I can absolutely see it ending in the bedroom, which is what I meant with the vanilla/maledom route.

This can't be squared with the obvious foreshadowing EK has done for a Gillian cuck route. Yes, the dreams are also mentioned in the Lena cuck route, but thats a very minor purpose for them and they can still happen without that route. So I think there will be a branch in how Gillian is written based on the dreams happening or not, allowing for both routes to exist.

I'm not following, what was the foreshadowing bit?
Also, by cuck content with her you fetishized stuff like what we can get with lena or just she dumps him again or voyeurism like? because it would take some gymnastics by EK to build a relationship involving a knowing Gillian entertaining such a fetish..
maybe a pity scenario or something IDK..
but interested what ya'll mean/know, either thru discord or more intimate knowledge of different paths (i haven't played anything without at least one LI for example)..