VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

The problem with dating a really hot woman, is that everyone else thinks so as well. If you're in any way possessive, as Stan definitely is, it's gonna be a rollercoaster of emotions. To successfully date a woman like Lena, requires either supreme confidence or a very easygoing personality. Stan has neither of those.

Sure but the shippers aren't thinking like that. They're expecting "and they lived happily ever after because Stan obviously treated Lena right and she has loved him deeply for it, never as much as looking at any other guy."

And since it's a computer game where the player actually gets control over actions of the hot woman, they can make that fantasy come true, by having her reject all other guys.

 

[Geigi]

Sure but the shippers aren't thinking like that. They're expecting "and they lived happily ever after because Stan obviously treated Lena right and she has loved him deeply for it, never as much as looking at any other guy."

And since it's a computer game where the player actually gets control over actions of the hot woman, they can make that fantasy come true, by having her reject all other guys.

This. Stan's fans are self inserting. What you can't experience in life, you live through books, movies and games, which is a bitter and sad reality for some.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Sure but the shippers aren't thinking like that. They're expecting "and they lived happily ever after because Stan obviously treated Lena right and she has loved him deeply for it, never as much as looking at any other guy."

And since it's a computer game where the player actually gets control over actions of the hot woman, they can make that fantasy come true, by having her reject all other guys.

Even Ian, as he begins, is not the typical guy you would associate with a girl like Lena. But unlike Stan, he already has the potential to bridge the gap between them, because he's working out at the gym (which is building his body confidence), socialising with his friends (some of whom are pretty outgoing and push Ian to go further on the social scene) and his determination to succeed as a writer, gives him a belief in himself, that Stan just totally lacks.

Stan could do all those things himself. He could lose weight and work out in the gym, to get a better body. He could buy more fashionable clothes, work on developing his social skills and building his confidence in general. But until Lena, pushes hard for him to do that, he just sits behind his computer screen, saying 'poor me' and how the world never gives him a fair shot. If you make the effort, there's usually someone out there for you. But if you don't, then most of the time unsurprisingly, there's nobody.

But it also requires you to have realistic expectations of who you could end up with. Because he spends most of his life in front of a computer screen, Stan fantasises that he could get the hot girl, and because she's not horrible to him, begins to believe that maybe she wants him too. Poor social skills, mean you often misinterpret people being nice to you, as evidence they like you in other ways. And occasionally maybe they do. But most of the time, they're just being nice to you. But you don't see that, because you're desperate for them to fancy you, as much as you 'think' you fancy them. And because you devote so much attention to pursuing a girl who'll never want you that way, you miss the one who would, if only you were paying attention elsewhere.

Holly is the obvious girlfriend for Stan. If he put as much effort into pursuing her, as he wastes in a forlorn effort to land Lena, he'd end up with a cute girlfriend, who just happens to have a hot future as a writer. Both of them are nerds, so they have tons in common. And unlike Lena, he'll never have to worry about what she might be getting up to, on those nude modelling shoots?

 

[SoulsSurvivor]

May I ask what gave you that impression?

How characters react to grapples, the two characters who are supposed to be knowledgeable about martial arts say "that shits gay bro" one even says he doesn't believe in jujitsu. Be one thing if it was only and he wasn't meant be someone with YEARS of experience. If you use a grapple in a street fight, which is the second most logical option next to running, you get mocked. It's very pointed and likely written by someone who is ignorant to why grapples are actually feared for how effective they are, or by someone who got their ass handed to them a couple times because someone got grappled and pinned.

 

[Ray_D]

How characters react to grapples, the two characters who are supposed to be knowledgeable about martial arts say "that shits gay bro" one even says he doesn't believe in jujitsu. Be one thing if it was only and he wasn't meant be someone with YEARS of experience. If you use a grapple in a street fight, which is the second most logical option next to running, you get mocked. It's very pointed and likely written by someone who is ignorant to why grapples are actually feared for how effective they are, or by someone who got their ass handed to them a couple times because someone got grappled and pinned.

Eva is not ignorant for making a joke about jiujitsu, fucking south park has a whole chapter making fun of wrestling being gay. I thought you would complain about more technical stuff not that little thing that doesn't affect anything.

 

[Blurpee69]

How characters react to grapples, the two characters who are supposed to be knowledgeable about martial arts say "that shits gay bro" one even says he doesn't believe in jujitsu. Be one thing if it was only and he wasn't meant be someone with YEARS of experience. If you use a grapple in a street fight, which is the second most logical option next to running, you get mocked. It's very pointed and likely written by someone who is ignorant to why grapples are actually feared for how effective they are, or by someone who got their ass handed to them a couple times because someone got grappled and pinned.

What two characters? Wen and Yuri are the two experts. Ian only recently started, and is therefor pretty ignorant of technique, Jeremy is really more of a meathead than an actual fighter, and Robert is well... Robert. In the actual fight Ian has with the other fighter, it is made very clear that he is trying to avoid the submission maneuver at all costs. It isn't until Ian wears him all the way down that he can finally get him into a solid submission. Even then, in some cases Ian is forced to use a Will Point to end the fight via submission.

Wen and Yuri both have a healthy respect for martial arts as a whole, they just have their specialty, which all fighters do. Even MMA fighters.

 

[ffive]

How characters react to grapples, the two characters who are supposed to be knowledgeable about martial arts say "that shits gay bro" one even says he doesn't believe in jujitsu. Be one thing if it was only and he wasn't meant be someone with YEARS of experience. If you use a grapple in a street fight, which is the second most logical option next to running, you get mocked. It's very pointed and likely written by someone who is ignorant to why grapples are actually feared for how effective they are, or by someone who got their ass handed to them a couple times because someone got grappled and pinned.

I think you are confusing views of the game's author with views of one characters in the game, Jeremy, who is intentionally written by the author as someone who is trying to pose as "tough macho motherfucker". Every fighter* other than Jeremy (including the actual trainers) well recognize the advantages provided by grappling. It's the main reason why one of them recommends Ian to focus on these techniques, in fact.

*) i don't include Roberts in the fighters, obv. He's just a random aggressive drunk.

 

[SerHawkes]

I'm honestly waiting for the moment it's Ian vs Jeremy, and I will go to all means on kicking our scumbag douche of a so call 'friend's ass accordingly. Thankfully the investment into grappling will have paid dividends and kick started a possible (though unlikely ever going to happen in the near future) romance arc with Ivy.

 

[NewSeal]

-Meanwhile... Ian-Ivy fans, who have been waiting 5 years now-
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What I would like to happen: Ian and Ivy hit it off, have a genuine connection, and things escalate from there, Ivy dealing with the turmoil of having feeling for someone in a long time, and Ian exploring her wild side with her, but with romance.

What is probably going to happen: Ivy fucks Ian for self-interested reasons, like proving to Lena he's no good or something, or some dumb cuck stuff where Ian will watch/hear about how she fucks other guys.

 

[JoJoPool]

What two characters? Wen and Yuri are the two experts. Ian only recently started, and is therefor pretty ignorant of technique, Jeremy is really more of a meathead than an actual fighter, and Robert is well... Robert. In the actual fight Ian has with the other fighter, it is made very clear that he is trying to avoid the submission maneuver at all costs. It isn't until Ian wears him all the way down that he can finally get him into a solid submission. Even then, in some cases Ian is forced to use a Will Point to end the fight via submission.

Wen and Yuri both have a healthy respect for martial arts as a whole, they just have their specialty, which all fighters do. Even MMA fighters.

I think the guy/gal is talking about the first ianxrobert fight outside the bar Where if You grapple Robert he mocks ian by saying he kept hugging me or something like that

 

[SerHawkes]

What I would like to happen: Ian and Ivy hit it off, have a genuine connection, and things escalate from there, Ivy dealing with the turmoil of having feeling for someone in a long time, and Ian exploring her wild side with her, but with romance.

What is probably going to happen: Ivy fucks Ian for self-interested reasons, like proving to Lena he's no good or something, or some dumb cuck stuff where Ian will watch/hear about how she fucks other guys.

I think it will be more inbetween.

I think if Ian keeps things up with her, certainly dependant on whether or not involved with Lena/Holly, it could go two ways.

Way one: A actual possible romance that is heartfelt and genuine, and a pleasant surprise to Ivy, who I think expects Ian to fuck her simply because he is a guy, but if we don't chase after her for the sexual merit, it's more of a boon than anything.

Way two: It is possible that she could try to fuck Ian, if we are involved with Lena/Holly, and try to prove Ian is a bad choice for either, though I doubt the whole cuck stuff or watching her get fucked/hear about it would apply. But then again, EK has gone full retard with panderment so maybe.

 

[SearingFive]

I think you are confusing views of the game's author with views of one characters in the game, Jeremy, who is intentionally written by the author as someone who is trying to pose as "tough macho motherfucker". Every fighter* other than Jeremy (including the actual trainers) well recognize the advantages provided by grappling. It's the main reason why one of them recommends Ian to focus on these techniques, in fact.

*) i don't include Roberts in the fighters, obv. He's just a random aggressive drunk.

Yup, Yuri straight up tells Jeremy that he's gonna get lit up by an experienced grappler and lo behold Wen shows us by slamming Jeremy to the ground. . Calling grappling gay is a stereotype, people should know this by now.

 

[JoJoPool]

I think it will be more inbetween.

I think if Ian keeps things up with her, certainly dependant on whether or not involved with Lena/Holly, it could go two ways.

Way one: A actual possible romance that is heartfelt and genuine, and a pleasant surprise to Ivy, who I think expects Ian to fuck her simply because he is a guy, but if we don't chase after her for the sexual merit, it's more of a boon than anything.

Way two: It is possible that she could try to fuck Ian, if we are involved with Lena/Holly, and try to prove Ian is a bad choice for either, though I doubt the whole cuck stuff or watching her get fucked/hear about it would apply. But then again, EK has gone full retard with panderment so maybe.

Yeah after that seymour hand holding I’m not putting anything off the table

 

[MF_DOOM]

How characters react to grapples, the two characters who are supposed to be knowledgeable about martial arts say "that shits gay bro" one even says he doesn't believe in jujitsu. Be one thing if it was only and he wasn't meant be someone with YEARS of experience. If you use a grapple in a street fight, which is the second most logical option next to running, you get mocked. It's very pointed and likely written by someone who is ignorant to why grapples are actually feared for how effective they are, or by someone who got their ass handed to them a couple times because someone got grappled and pinned.

A dude groping other dudes. That shit is gay bro.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Even Ian, as he begins, is not the typical guy you would associate with a girl like Lena. But unlike Stan, he already has the potential to bridge the gap between them, because he's working out at the gym (which is building his body confidence), socialising with his friends (some of whom are pretty outgoing and push Ian to go further on the social scene) and his determination to succeed as a writer, gives him a belief in himself, that Stan just totally lacks.

Stan could do all those things himself. He could lose weight and work out in the gym, to get a better body. He could buy more fashionable clothes, work on developing his social skills and building his confidence in general. But until Lena, pushes hard for him to do that, he just sits behind his computer screen, saying 'poor me' and how the world never gives him a fair shot. If you make the effort, there's usually someone out there for you. But if you don't, then most of the time unsurprisingly, there's nobody.

But it also requires you to have realistic expectations of who you could end up with. Because he spends most of his life in front of a computer screen, Stan fantasises that he could get the hot girl, and because she's not horrible to him, begins to believe that maybe she wants him too. Poor social skills, mean you often misinterpret people being nice to you, as evidence they like you in other ways. And occasionally maybe they do. But most of the time, they're just being nice to you. But you don't see that, because you're desperate for them to fancy you, as much as you 'think' you fancy them. And because you devote so much attention to pursuing a girl who'll never want you that way, you miss the one who would, if only you were paying attention elsewhere.

Holly is the obvious girlfriend for Stan. If he put as much effort into pursuing her, as he wastes in a forlorn effort to land Lena, he'd end up with a cute girlfriend, who just happens to have a hot future as a writer. Both of them are nerds, so they have tons in common. And unlike Lena, he'll never have to worry about what she might be getting up to, on those nude modelling shoots?

If Lena-Stan is so unrealistic how come Holly-Ian ever makes sense?
People in this thread always talk how Ian is this winner chad,why will he go for the geek when he has better options?
I agree with you about Holly-Stan btw.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

What I would like to happen: Ian and Ivy hit it off, have a genuine connection, and things escalate from there, Ivy dealing with the turmoil of having feeling for someone in a long time, and Ian exploring her wild side with her, but with romance.

What is probably going to happen: Ivy fucks Ian for self-interested reasons, like proving to Lena he's no good or something, or some dumb cuck stuff where Ian will watch/hear about how she fucks other guys.

I think on the open route, Ian, Lena and Ivy could have a threesome together. It seems one of the obvious choices, since Ivy is already aware of Ian's fantasy.

 

[MF_DOOM]

If Lena-Stan is so unrealistic how come Holly-Ian ever makes sense?
People in this thread always talk how Ian is this winner chad,why will he go for the geek when he has better options?
I agree with you about Holly-Stan btw.

Holly doesn't look like an unwashed ogre.

 

[fatpussy123]

Holly doesn't look like an unwashed ogre.

Nor is she an incel. Plus she actually has a successful writing career.

 

[Nifferman]

If Lena-Stan is so unrealistic how come Holly-Ian ever makes sense?
People in this thread always talk how Ian is this winner chad,why will he go for the geek when he has better options?
I agree with you about Holly-Stan btw.

Cuz Holly isn't a creepy entitled bastard. And last time I checked she doesn't steal Ian's boxers.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Nor is she an incel. Plus she actually has a writing successful career.

Not to defend Stan but I bet he makes more money programming than Holly from writing. Being a writer is not very lucrative unless you are a famous and a prolific one.