VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Leo D. Marstone]

Does this game has some sort of visual transformations like its predecessor as well?

Just curious

 

[Nevrius]

Hey, that is an actual word! Remember that there is no single day without at least a dozen new German words invented! Part what makes this language so awesome is the ability to invent fitting words with ease.

Jup, can confirm. In our language, you can just combine words to create a new one for whatever purpose

 

[lipe2410]

Does this game has some sort of visual transformations like its predecessor as well?

Just curious

For now, you can only add belly piercing and some tatoos.

 

[King Tommen]

How many of the patrons did actually vote in that poll? Normally and speaking with experience from other polls (not erotic game development), these closed polls are a "Mogelpackung"(eyewash). Only a small number of people are allowed to vote on a subject and of this small group only a minority does cast one at all. Oftentimes barely 20% of those allowed to vote in a specific poll do so. These polls are perfect to bend the numbers as you like them.
If Eva, as you said, did not want to post the Ian part individually in the first place, then that is her decision as the developer. No need for these Gewissensheftpflaster (difficult to translate roughly band-aid for your conscience).

Every patreon could vote, 1001 did, that is about half of them. 81% voted to not release Ian seperately.
As for your conscience band aid, EvaKiss decided to release Ians part seperately. She only put up the vote after in the comments patreons nearly unanimously disagreed with that.

 

[Turret]

Every patreon could vote, 1001 did, that is about half of them. 81% voted to not release Ian seperately.
As for your conscience band aid, EvaKiss decided to release Ians part seperately. She only put up the vote after in the comments patreons nearly unanimously disagreed with that.

That is quite good on numbers, but still just 50% at best. But the main point I made was not especially about that. One member above told me that Eva did not want to update the Ian part alone, which is seemingly wrong according you. Then my point about a conscience band aid stands! Eva is the developer and she decides what and when to release. Letting others overturn your decision on these basics is either overindulgence of the patrons at best and a serious cave-in at worst.
There is a fitting proverb about what too many cooks do to a meal.

 

[JoJoPool]

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

 

[selberdreher]

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

I guess it's like every other job which is related to sex. Most of the time (99%) not.
The crew of a pornshoot, for instance, usually don't walk around with a 24/7 hard-on and constantly wank off, while on the job.
Doesn't mean they get occasionally aroused, but i guess it's rare.

In another thread a Dev answered a similar question, and it was along the line (iirc): "Yes, occasionally, especially while brainstorming the plot and the scenes. However, during the actual work on them, no, because i am too focused to get aroused. It's a task that needs to be completed."

 

[BloodyMares]

You're right not all patrons voted, but it's on them. We can assume the result would be the same if everyone voted.

I'd say the ones that didn't vote would be happy either way, so their opinion barely matters anyway. Whenever there's a Patreon post, you get notified via an email even if you live under a rock. So it's not like the vote was a secret and went by the majority of the fanbase unnoticed... Those who wanted to vote, did.

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

Can't speak for Eva, but as for myself, once you start treating the game as "work", it doesn't feel the same... When your main focus is on consistency of the writing, gameplay, lack of bugs, etc. But I admit, when I imagine possible ways the story might go, then yeah, imagination makes it hot... But it usually happens when I just daydream, and not staring at the screen writing the guide or hunting the bugs.

 

[King Tommen]

That is quite good on numbers, but still just 50% at best. But the main point I made was not especially about that. One member above told me that Eva did not want to update the Ian part alone, which is seemingly wrong according you. Then my point about a conscience band aid stands! Eva is the developer and she decides what and when to release. Letting others overturn your decision on these basics is either overindulgence of the patrons at best and a serious cave-in at worst.
There is a fitting proverb about what too many cooks do to a meal.

Here's her original post and this is the announcement of the poll, so you can follow her reasoning. She basically has 2 conflicting needs. Having both sides out at once and regularely releasing content.
One final thought, if EvaKiss is supposed to be the only one to decide why all the complaining about her decision?

 

[JohnnyKiss]

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

As someone who writes stuff, I can assure you a level of arousal is necessary when doing so but you just have to push through it if you want to have any work done XD

 

[Turret]

One final thought, if EvaKiss is supposed to be the only one to decide why all the complaining about her decision?

That is easy to answer. Eva had more or less decided to post the Ian update alone, then some hardcore fanbois began their yapping, which infected others. Then Eva made the mistake to cave in for these fulltime whistle buoys.

Had she released as she wanted to, yes, some guys would have been incensed, but that would have blown over soon. Because a)there would have been new ORS stuff out there for patrons and wider audience alike after a draught, showing that ORS is not dead but on it´s way and b) several self-censored devs like L&P, ICSTOR, gumdrop or Slonique show that even the most vocal patrons can be treated like idiots and still pay. While Eva is a far more nice developer than these greedy clowns, caving in to the demands of some very vocal patrons on essential things is a clear mistake! It is one thing to include some wished for scenes or special wallpapers, but another to let the patrons dictate you what to and when to release.
What has this kotau got us? The last new ORS material was over a year ago, Eva´s reputation as a reliable developer has now some deep scratches, many of the wider audience have lost interest due to the long interval and many on the fence will now hesitate to commit to the game because of this draught and the knowledge that some vocal fanbois can force Eva to do their bidding.

 

[spainhorse]

several self-censored devs like L&P, ICSTOR, gumdrop or Slonique show that even the most vocal patrons can be treated like idiots and still pay. While Eva is a far more nice developer than these greedy clowns, caving in to the demands of some very vocal patrons on essential things is a clear mistake!

What do you think of DrPinkCake?

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Hard luck for them, I am afraid! "Acting lessons" was a good game, but DPC lost me with the fire choice, which was an artifically enforced drama scene. (As I a hobbywriter myself I know why he thought to do this, but it tasted of enforcing a choice only for drama reasons)

Agreed, especially because it was unavoidable, no matter how you treat the nurse she becomes your stalker and gets someone you care for killed. But fortunately BaDIK is much more fun to play (and much bigger) with some great characters you really care for.

And to get back on topic: there are much less complaints about releases in the BaDIK thread compared to ORS but that's just my impression (that thread updates at a crazy speed so I don't follow it that closely).

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

What do you think of DrPinkCake?

DrPinkCake never bows to

Agreed, especially because it was unavoidable, no matter how you treat the nurse she becomes your stalker and gets someone you care for killed. But fortunately BaDIK is much more fun to play (and much bigger) with some great characters you really care for.

And to get back on topic: there are much less complaints about releases in the BaDIK thread compared to ORS but that's just my impression (that thread updates at a crazy speed so I don't follow it that closely).

There's plenty of complaints re the long development times of BaDIK, too, but generally I think people are willing to give DrPinkCake more flexibility, particularly since he seems totally uninterested in bowing to any patron pressures. He's going to make the game he wants the way wants to, full stop. If anyone doesn't like it they don't have to play the game. That seems to be his attitude, anyway.

 

[Wobbly1980]

You're right not all patrons voted, but it's on them. We can assume the result would be the same if everyone voted.

Not a big fan of Patrons having much input, I follow a developer for their story and the content they produce not to influence them.

 

[spainhorse]

Not a big fan of Patrons having much input, I follow a developer for their story and the content they produce not to influence them.

The balance is always hard to find. Some people can say the developers aren't listening to the feedback from his/her patrons if they only focus on the things they want to do.

 

[Lil Totino Boy]

damn, 6 months of going to book fairs. That's half a years pay from patreons for nothing.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Agreed, especially because it was unavoidable, no matter how you treat the nurse she becomes your stalker and gets someone you care for killed. But fortunately BaDIK is much more fun to play (and much bigger) with some great characters you really care for.

And to get back on topic: there are much less complaints about releases in the BaDIK thread compared to ORS but that's just my impression (that thread updates at a crazy speed so I don't follow it that closely).

If only BaDIK's dialogues aren't as stiff as the Great Wall of China, I might be able to enjoy the game. The fact that many of the LIs are already in a relationship doesn't help either.

 

[ename144]

That is easy to answer. Eva had more or less decided to post the Ian update alone, then some hardcore fanbois began their yapping, which infected others. Then Eva made the mistake to cave in for these fulltime whistle buoys.

Had she released as she wanted to, yes, some guys would have been incensed, but that would have blown over soon. Because a)there would have been new ORS stuff out there for patrons and wider audience alike after a draught, showing that ORS is not dead but on it´s way and b) several self-censored devs like L&P, ICSTOR, gumdrop or Slonique show that even the most vocal patrons can be treated like idiots and still pay. While Eva is a far more nice developer than these greedy clowns, caving in to the demands of some very vocal patrons on essential things is a clear mistake! It is one thing to include some wished for scenes or special wallpapers, but another to let the patrons dictate you what to and when to release.
What has this kotau got us? The last new ORS material was over a year ago, Eva´s reputation as a reliable developer has now some deep scratches, many of the wider audience have lost interest due to the long interval and many on the fence will now hesitate to commit to the game because of this draught and the knowledge that some vocal fanbois can force Eva to do their bidding.

But Eva only decided to release half the update because she was worried about what the fans were thinking. She was pretty clear about that in the original announcement (though she was much more circumspect in her phrasing). Her original vision was a unified Ian/Lena release and she second-guessed herself out of that. If anything the fans were encouraging her to stay the course with her original vision.

And frankly I think the idea that people won't support the game because Eva listens to her fans is farcical. *If* there is damage to Eva's reputation it's entirely rooted in the obvious struggles she's going through writing this game. Forcing out a half-finished product only to have another long delay before releasing the second half wouldn't ameliorate that in the slightest. Eva doesn't know where to go with Lena's half any more than she did with Ian. That's what causes the delay, and that's what causes concern among the playerbase. If Eva can work through her block, both her development pace and her reputation will recover. If she can't, I fear ORS will wind up abandoned and her reputation will be a moot point.

DrPinkCake never bows to

There's plenty of complaints re the long development times of BaDIK, too, but generally I think people are willing to give DrPinkCake more flexibility, particularly since he seems totally uninterested in bowing to any patron pressures. He's going to make the game he wants the way wants to, full stop. If anyone doesn't like it they don't have to play the game. That seems to be his attitude, anyway.

Not to sound like a broken record, but I think the difference with DPC is that he has a clear idea where his game is going whereas Eva does not. DPC is trying to cram too much content into the update. Even if that extra content winds up gilding a lily, he's very enthusiastic about the game's development. That makes it easier for the fans to give him greater latitude during the long delay (well, assuming they liked the last update).

Eva, meanwhile, is the first one in line to express dissatisfaction with how her own development is going. That speaks well to her moral compass, but it's terrible advertising.

 

[mommysboiii]

What do you think of DrPinkCake?

I dont understand why he is always brought up I mean this are completly different games in his game you dont really have real decissions very linear(only which girl to bang), the dik and chick scala change nothing only which girls to bang you cant influence MC personalitie you are always big dik mullen if you like it or not and the game is very unrealistic in presentation of young male adult or how the hots act with other guys than mcs,couples,big partys and so on very unrealistic and the writting is very teen andrew tate fantasy (like how a 15 year old sees women)

if you take eva know you can influence the personalitie of ian you can be a asshole,you can be a wimp which i love you can be normal,you can rivalary with axel or lose to him or befriend him so many possibilities you can really roleplay your cheracter huge differenceour red string really has decissions its not as linear as the other game so you can play this game 3 times and get other outcomes if you roleplay different (make diff decissions ofc)young adult actually act horny and go for women partys are not only for ian other males exist too its waymore realistic more rivalary way better writting more adult writting and way more erotic.

so this are completely different games with a completely different approche in literally every aspect (writting,kinks,how handle other male cheracters than Ian,realism,influence on personalitie of Ian and the decissions you make have an impact on the story)