VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.3] [Eva Kiss]

[Turret]

20% patrons only wanted the Ian's part early. It might be different including pirates, but maybe not more than 50% imo. And Eva didn't want to release Ian's part only but was feeling pressured to do it so she made a poll. In your scenario Eva would release the update when it's ready with Ian and Eva parts without asking anyone.

How many of the patrons did actually vote in that poll? Normally and speaking with experience from other polls (not erotic game development), these closed polls are a "Mogelpackung"(eyewash). Only a small number of people are allowed to vote on a subject and of this small group only a minority does cast one at all. Oftentimes barely 20% of those allowed to vote in a specific poll do so. These polls are perfect to bend the numbers as you like them.
If Eva, as you said, did not want to post the Ian part individually in the first place, then that is her decision as the developer. No need for these Gewissensheftpflaster (difficult to translate roughly band-aid for your conscience).

 

[dolfe67]

How many of the patrons did actually vote in that poll? Normally and speaking with experience from other polls (not erotic game development), these closed polls are a "Mogelpackung"(eyewash). Only a small number of people are allowed to vote on a subject and of this small group only a minority does cast one at all. Oftentimes barely 20% of those allowed to vote in a specific poll do so. These polls are perfect to bend the numbers as you like them.
If Eva, as you said, did not want to post the Ian part individually in the first place, then that is her decision as the developer. No need for these Gewissensheftpflaster (difficult to translate roughly band-aid for your conscience).

You're right not all patrons voted, but it's on them. We can assume the result would be the same if everyone voted.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

No. Be confrontational to her, write honest review (or swich with Holly), go to the office when Seymour visits. You need 5 Wits or Charisma.

Being confrontational early on isn't necessary. What's important is Ian writing an honest review or switching review with Holly.

 

[matsuy]

Gewissensheftpflaster (difficult to translate...)

Probably due to the fact that this isn't actually a word [used by anybody outside your own walls] ;-)

 

[Turret]

You're right not all patrons voted, but it's on them. We can assume the result would be the same if everyone voted.

And THIS is the mistake so many make! That assumption "the result would be the same" is plain wrong very often! I have a lot experience with polls and elections as one of the counters and/or election observers and it is insane, what reasons pop up why somebody voted as he/she did or did not vote at all. From on the fly over what weekday, simply forgotten, not interested to a sunny day and made a walk because of it, are just a couple of these.
While in general polls or elections with many voters this is not quite as strong due to the many people, there are still election-infringing effects that can change/turn a vote, which would otherwise have a different result. But as said, in large polls/elections this happens, but not too often. But in polls/eelctions with a small base of eligibles, you can weight the scales towards your favoured result if you are so inclined easily.

 

[Turret]

Probably due to the fact that this isn't actually a word [used by anybody outside your own walls] ;-)

Hey, that is an actual word! Remember that there is no single day without at least a dozen new German words invented! Part what makes this language so awesome is the ability to invent fitting words with ease.

 

[Leo D. Marstone]

Does this game has some sort of visual transformations like its predecessor as well?

Just curious

 

[Nevrius]

Hey, that is an actual word! Remember that there is no single day without at least a dozen new German words invented! Part what makes this language so awesome is the ability to invent fitting words with ease.

Jup, can confirm. In our language, you can just combine words to create a new one for whatever purpose

 

[lipe2410]

Does this game has some sort of visual transformations like its predecessor as well?

Just curious

For now, you can only add belly piercing and some tatoos.

 

[King Tommen]

How many of the patrons did actually vote in that poll? Normally and speaking with experience from other polls (not erotic game development), these closed polls are a "Mogelpackung"(eyewash). Only a small number of people are allowed to vote on a subject and of this small group only a minority does cast one at all. Oftentimes barely 20% of those allowed to vote in a specific poll do so. These polls are perfect to bend the numbers as you like them.
If Eva, as you said, did not want to post the Ian part individually in the first place, then that is her decision as the developer. No need for these Gewissensheftpflaster (difficult to translate roughly band-aid for your conscience).

Every patreon could vote, 1001 did, that is about half of them. 81% voted to not release Ian seperately.
As for your conscience band aid, EvaKiss decided to release Ians part seperately. She only put up the vote after in the comments patreons nearly unanimously disagreed with that.

 

[Turret]

Every patreon could vote, 1001 did, that is about half of them. 81% voted to not release Ian seperately.
As for your conscience band aid, EvaKiss decided to release Ians part seperately. She only put up the vote after in the comments patreons nearly unanimously disagreed with that.

That is quite good on numbers, but still just 50% at best. But the main point I made was not especially about that. One member above told me that Eva did not want to update the Ian part alone, which is seemingly wrong according you. Then my point about a conscience band aid stands! Eva is the developer and she decides what and when to release. Letting others overturn your decision on these basics is either overindulgence of the patrons at best and a serious cave-in at worst.
There is a fitting proverb about what too many cooks do to a meal.

 

[JoJoPool]

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

 

[selberdreher]

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

I guess it's like every other job which is related to sex. Most of the time (99%) not.
The crew of a pornshoot, for instance, usually don't walk around with a 24/7 hard-on and constantly wank off, while on the job.
Doesn't mean they get occasionally aroused, but i guess it's rare.

In another thread a Dev answered a similar question, and it was along the line (iirc): "Yes, occasionally, especially while brainstorming the plot and the scenes. However, during the actual work on them, no, because i am too focused to get aroused. It's a task that needs to be completed."

 

[BloodyMares]

You're right not all patrons voted, but it's on them. We can assume the result would be the same if everyone voted.

I'd say the ones that didn't vote would be happy either way, so their opinion barely matters anyway. Whenever there's a Patreon post, you get notified via an email even if you live under a rock. So it's not like the vote was a secret and went by the majority of the fanbase unnoticed... Those who wanted to vote, did.

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

Can't speak for Eva, but as for myself, once you start treating the game as "work", it doesn't feel the same... When your main focus is on consistency of the writing, gameplay, lack of bugs, etc. But I admit, when I imagine possible ways the story might go, then yeah, imagination makes it hot... But it usually happens when I just daydream, and not staring at the screen writing the guide or hunting the bugs.

 

[King Tommen]

That is quite good on numbers, but still just 50% at best. But the main point I made was not especially about that. One member above told me that Eva did not want to update the Ian part alone, which is seemingly wrong according you. Then my point about a conscience band aid stands! Eva is the developer and she decides what and when to release. Letting others overturn your decision on these basics is either overindulgence of the patrons at best and a serious cave-in at worst.
There is a fitting proverb about what too many cooks do to a meal.

Here's her original post and this is the announcement of the poll, so you can follow her reasoning. She basically has 2 conflicting needs. Having both sides out at once and regularely releasing content.
One final thought, if EvaKiss is supposed to be the only one to decide why all the complaining about her decision?

 

[JohnnyKiss]

ok i have a really weird question : does Eva get aroused when drawing hot illustrations ? or does the sheer amount of focus and stress prevent her from feeling that way ? do you think she flicks the bean everytime she works on the game ??

As someone who writes stuff, I can assure you a level of arousal is necessary when doing so but you just have to push through it if you want to have any work done XD

 

[Turret]

One final thought, if EvaKiss is supposed to be the only one to decide why all the complaining about her decision?

That is easy to answer. Eva had more or less decided to post the Ian update alone, then some hardcore fanbois began their yapping, which infected others. Then Eva made the mistake to cave in for these fulltime whistle buoys.

Had she released as she wanted to, yes, some guys would have been incensed, but that would have blown over soon. Because a)there would have been new ORS stuff out there for patrons and wider audience alike after a draught, showing that ORS is not dead but on it´s way and b) several self-censored devs like L&P, ICSTOR, gumdrop or Slonique show that even the most vocal patrons can be treated like idiots and still pay. While Eva is a far more nice developer than these greedy clowns, caving in to the demands of some very vocal patrons on essential things is a clear mistake! It is one thing to include some wished for scenes or special wallpapers, but another to let the patrons dictate you what to and when to release.
What has this kotau got us? The last new ORS material was over a year ago, Eva´s reputation as a reliable developer has now some deep scratches, many of the wider audience have lost interest due to the long interval and many on the fence will now hesitate to commit to the game because of this draught and the knowledge that some vocal fanbois can force Eva to do their bidding.

 

[spainhorse]

several self-censored devs like L&P, ICSTOR, gumdrop or Slonique show that even the most vocal patrons can be treated like idiots and still pay. While Eva is a far more nice developer than these greedy clowns, caving in to the demands of some very vocal patrons on essential things is a clear mistake!

What do you think of DrPinkCake?

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Hard luck for them, I am afraid! "Acting lessons" was a good game, but DPC lost me with the fire choice, which was an artifically enforced drama scene. (As I a hobbywriter myself I know why he thought to do this, but it tasted of enforcing a choice only for drama reasons)

Agreed, especially because it was unavoidable, no matter how you treat the nurse she becomes your stalker and gets someone you care for killed. But fortunately BaDIK is much more fun to play (and much bigger) with some great characters you really care for.

And to get back on topic: there are much less complaints about releases in the BaDIK thread compared to ORS but that's just my impression (that thread updates at a crazy speed so I don't follow it that closely).

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

What do you think of DrPinkCake?

DrPinkCake never bows to

Agreed, especially because it was unavoidable, no matter how you treat the nurse she becomes your stalker and gets someone you care for killed. But fortunately BaDIK is much more fun to play (and much bigger) with some great characters you really care for.

And to get back on topic: there are much less complaints about releases in the BaDIK thread compared to ORS but that's just my impression (that thread updates at a crazy speed so I don't follow it that closely).

There's plenty of complaints re the long development times of BaDIK, too, but generally I think people are willing to give DrPinkCake more flexibility, particularly since he seems totally uninterested in bowing to any patron pressures. He's going to make the game he wants the way wants to, full stop. If anyone doesn't like it they don't have to play the game. That seems to be his attitude, anyway.