VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[dolfe67]

This feels like kicking a starving puppy when it's already down .

The dev made the most promiscuous and kinky woman unavailable to the male MC for the majority of a VN something I don't think I've ever seen one do before. Robert fans are eating better than them. At this point I'm pretty sure Ivy simps are Eva Kiss' unofficial stress ball.

Believe it or not, but lots of players don't like promiscuous women in their porn game

 

[Xupuzulla]

Xuzu has been a hater since day one Respect

Im not a hater,is just funny to me when people want to defend EK so bad when is obvious some of the decisions in this 4 years are questionable....

Believe it or not, but lots of players don't like promiscuous women in their porn game

Inst Ivy popular with patreons?
I doubt EK cares if people here dont like her,still weird how she barely has straight content

 

[Geigi]

Believe it or not, but lots of players don't like promiscuous women in their porn game

Maybe, but they do love to play as one.

 

[Canelo_92]

Ivy and Holly are just on both opposite sides of the spectrum. Ivy is entirely fallen to cynicsm, you get sexual liberation and success by maxing out your potential, every other man and woman is as selfish and sexdriven as you are (if not they are just fooling themselves) vs Hollys idealistic naive imagination of romance, you will end up with your true love through sheer will and fate by being yourself.

There were a few hints that Ivy is very sensible about being slut-shamed:
Her first big crush left his girlfriend for her and spurned girlfriend tricked her into babyplay and humiliated her by releasing those kink videos to the public. So Ivy learned 1. she is hotter and has to compete with jealous colleagues over men, 2. that men value hotness to an extent to sacrifice principles for it and it must be explored, and 3. that emotional intimacy will be used against you, so you have to toughen yourself up and avoid it.
Very easily shown in why she despises Louise and why she hesitates fucking Jeremy.

So she doubles down on slut-shaming and avoids emotional intimacy, making her ironically as frail and immature as Louise at times, she just hides it well better and benefits from being in the writers grace. Because just like GGGB Jessica, Ivy is a projection of what EvaKiss perceives to be the ultimate tough independent sexual free spirited women, who needs no men but due to their pride end up very likely ends up miserable and alone, unless you get a Ashley/Dave figure in their life to handle them. This has partly to do with her role in the narrative: As the mentor and not heroine, Ivy/Jessica are supposed to encourage and guide Bad Jess/Slut Lena, but not overtake them and ultimately be surpassed by them. Hence Ashley can succeeed being a porn star and Jessica didn't, hence Lena could score with Jack and will flourish and Ivy didn't and won't.

Either Eva doesn't know how to give Ivy a proper resolution, so she stays being that allegedly super slut that barely fucks anyone despite their reputation - or they will give Ivy one once she is finally getting in a relationship with Ian, Lena or someone else like Billy or Jeremy. The main flaw that explains this contradiction is that she barely got any development for 12 chapters. Jeremy and Ian got interested in her in chapter 1 and haven't fucked her, yet. The single male fuck she had was off-screen. Either because of writing issues in general or more specific the prevalent narrative rule that Ivy musn't have naughtier content than Lena, else the latters development is undermined.

TLDR: Ivy is doomed.

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

 

[GokutheG]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

Yeah it's obvious that the dev's main target are straight guys. You can really see that fact in how lacking in weight the gay content is compared to straight.

Allison does bring up the fact that the pill makes her ill when talking to Ian about why he needs to wear a condom.

 

[Geigi]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

This has already been discussed over. The only way women can play porn games aimed at them is having more women developers(writers and artists). Unfortunately, when I talk about this on reddit community, not many are interested in discussing this. Either they play only AAA games with romantic content or otome games with erotic content. There's barely interest in porn games. They prefer more books, fanfictions etc. over games. Then again, you have female players here who don't mind playing these games so there's that.

 

[Socrambus]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

Slut Holly is not the same as Ivy, she's just a puppet Ivy directs in that direction for her own amusement. Ivy is in control of her sexuality and successfully weaponizes it to get money though OF and pole dancing (she's shown to be doing pretty well financially) and to manipulate others (men and women) to advance her agenda. Although she fails with Axel and we'll see how Billy's thing ends up. But she's a predator (or tries to be), not a victim.

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

I mean, thinking that having to wear a condom sucks is a legitimate thought. Behaving like an asshole and being loud about it is optional.

 

[Xupuzulla]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

Her patreons must be like 95% straight men,she has no reason to cater to anyone but the people who give her money.

 

[Geigi]

Her patreons must be like 95% straight men,she has no reason to cater to anyone but the people who give her money.

Yes, thankfully Eva mostly equally shows men and women, rarely there's headless male bodies/floating dicks.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Yes, thankfully Eva mostly equally shows men and women, rarely there's headless male bodies/floating dicks.

Just to clarify,i woulnt mind more women and gay friendly content but money talks,the patreons want that BBC and cuck content

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

"F95 users can't read" stereotype is alive and well, I see.

 

[dolfe67]

Her patreons must be like 95% straight men,she has no reason to cater to anyone but the people who give her money.

Not only her patrons, but the general audience of AVN

 

[slobber]

Ivy's existence strikes me more as a convenient plot device to slutify Lena. I mean, that's your AVN staple, right? Some "sexually liberal helping wingman all the male chars". Think of it this way, Lena without her "best friend" would have a much lighter (in content)/more forced (logic-wise) corruption route

I do think there's a growing pop of non-straight males/females though with all the sissification/futa/gender bender/homo type content that seems to be coming out (wasn't there one that was really successful too that involved sex-fighting? It was text-based and rogue-like if I remember correctly)

 

[BGINaN]

Don't forget Stan

no i will

 

[NewSeal]

This is better than going to the psychologist and it's free!

Therapist: Why haven't you been attending the sessions? It's been over a month.
AFSRS: You ever heard of a videogame called Our Red String?

 

[Ray_D]

Do I remember correctly that we are aiming for release this month?

allegedly

 

[Xupuzulla]

Ivy's existence strikes me more as a convenient plot device to slutify Lena. I mean, that's your AVN staple, right? Some "sexually liberal helping wingman all the male chars". Think of it this way, Lena without her "best friend" would have a much lighter (in content)/more forced (logic-wise) corruption route

Not only Lena but Holly too.
Good luck explaining that to the Ivy fans through

 

[Bushy]

Do I remember correctly that we are aiming for release this month?

Christmas special incoming on Seymour's wrinkly balls

 

[Petro28]

Does Ian brake ups with Lenna if they are in casual relationship if she fucks Axel because in one save he brake up with her and in the one where she is not with Axel he stays with her.

 

[Gicoo]

Does Ian brake ups with Lenna if they are in casual relationship if she fucks Axel because in one save he brake up with her and in the one where she is not with Axel he stays with her.

Depends on too many variables. Does Ian trust Jeremy, is Ian a cuck, is he casual with Lena, does he even know about Axel.