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Once but it's purely a vehicle to have him show you and thus send you nudes of his gf and also his dick. It's almost like when he's not got a girl to fuck or nudes to share he just morphs out of reality until its his time again
He is a side character, not a main one. That is what side characters are for.
 

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What is his complexity? What is his goals, what does he want? Why is the way he is? We know nothing about Jeremy. All we know is that he has a big cock and trains MMA, (all melinated men have 12" dicks in Evas Universe:LOL:). Other than this, he hangs out in what is supposed to be a somewhat upper-tier nightclub, bartendering in a t-shirt, torn jeans and sneakers:oops:. His only interaction with Lena is his big dick, and with Ian it's sending him pictures of said dick and occationally spar. To me he's a racial stereotype that fills some of f95s boys bbc fetish. And that's ok and all, but he's not a complex character. He along with Mike is ORS equivalent of Kevin and Iris friend (forgot his name) from GGGB. Walking, talking dildos.

This is one of the aspects of Evas writing I don't like, her male characters get underdeveloped personalities. I think all the girls are getting some agenda and goals. Take Cherry, who get's a fraction of the screen time Jeremy does, has a much deeper personality, she has dreams and aspirations of modeling, she is a artist and she intertwine with Lenas story, she comes into Axels story etc. etc. While we are suposed to have this moral dilemma in the Wade/Cindy angle, but Wade is so underdeveloped, that I don't really care about him. etc.
At least it seems his player persona seems to be mostly just a facade. Decided to check the infamous Lena/Jeremy scene and the guy has pretty much zero stamina, he cums way too fast when trying to fuck Lena.

I am even more convinced now after having checked the scene that he is actually just a average sexual partner in bed who likes to act as if he is Eros reincarnated in front of his friends. :LOL: :LOL:
 

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At least it seems his player persona seems to be mostly just a facade. Decided to check the infamous Lena/Jeremy scene and the guy has pretty much zero stamina, he cums way too fast when trying to fuck Lena.

I am even more convinced now after having checked the scene that he is actually just a average sexual partner in bed who likes to act as if he is Eros reincarnated in front of his friends. :LOL: :LOL:
tell that to those who still think that Ian having a smaller dick makes him a loser and a cuck who cant even satisfy women when in fact he satisfied every woman he had sex with, even Lena who made Jeremy nut in a second.:LOL:
 
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Speaking of repetition I hope jeremy isnt relegated to just wow I love his cock sex is good and that's all I care about much like tyrone was in gggb. A route were lena manages to convince him of monogamy and romance would be great perhaps it could happen on the route where lena doesn't tell louise of his cheating but lets ivy do the dare causing him to break up with louise he could then pursue lena without her being a big cock fetishist, hell you could have them develop feelings for each other on the bbc fetish route too I hope we are given choice for it.
I wrote something similar shortly before the release of the chapter 8 Alpha, but decided it was the right time to shut up about it for a while, considering the sex scene between Lena and Jeremy couldn't possibly have been more centered around Jeremy's cock and Lena's obsession about it. :censored:

At the moment it's difficult to argue that Lena's interest in Jeremy is about something else than the big cock fetish. But Jeremy actually seems more hesitant to Lena's straightforward advances, and seems to struggle slightly to uphold his player act in front of her. That, and the fact that he, even though he is a jerk, at least is a bit more complex as a character than for example Jerome, gives at least a slight hope that he'll play a more complex role further down the line.

Also I generally like the idea of having at least one romantic route that begins as purely sexual, and then later evolves into something more from that. Though after the latest chapter, Mike seems more likely to play that role, considering the new variable that indicates a romantic relationship between him and Lena.

At least it seems his player persona seems to be mostly just a facade. Decided to check the infamous Lena/Jeremy scene and the guy has pretty much zero stamina, he cums way too fast when trying to fuck Lena.

I am even more convinced now after having checked the scene that he is actually just a average sexual partner in bed who likes to act as if he is Eros reincarnated in front of his friends. :LOL: :LOL:
Yes, I also noticed his lack of stamina. Also, after the first two scenes between him and Lena, I don't think he's actually touched her with any other part of his body than his cock. I think that suggests a somewhat… limited knowledge about how to satisfy someone sexually. Having a big cock could help you a long way, but if you otherwise just stand there doing nothing, it doesn't exactly make you a sex god. :LOL:
 

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Once but it's purely a vehicle to have him show you and thus send you nudes of his gf and also his dick. It's almost like when he's not got a girl to fuck or nudes to share he just morphs out of reality until its his time again
If we’re talking about the “It wasn’t me” scene (with Ian, Perry, Jeremy and Wade in chapter 4) personally I think it was pretty good, a nice example of male friendship dynamics that made their relationship believable, not only something that’s stated by the game and you gotta take it as revealed truth. In fact it is the sort of scene I wish we see more as it helps develop the male NPCs, but I guess the porn gets in the way (plus probably some bias on Eva’s part who seems to find it easier to write those kinds of scenes in the “only girls” side).

Btw, while Jeremy is undoubtedly bragging at the start of the scene (and the rest of the gang can half-kidding rip him a new one for it), he only sends the pics to Ian if he asks for them...
 
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At the moment it's difficult to argue that Lena's interest in Jeremy is about something else than the big cock fetish. But Jeremy actually seems more hesitant to Lena's straightforward advances, and seems to struggle slightly to uphold his player act in front of her. That, and the fact that he, even though he is a jerk, at least is a bit more complex as a character than for example Jerome, gives at least a slight hope that he'll play a more complex role further down the line.
I can definitely see him evolving slightly beyond just being a walking talking fetish, but I honestly can't see him becoming too much more of a complex character with the information we currently have about him now. If Eva adds some additional interesting revelations about him or delves more into his past before all the player shit, maybe he could grow into a fleshed out character that people seem to want.
 
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I can definitely see him evolving slightly beyond just being a walking talking fetish, but I honestly can't see him becoming too much more of a complex character with the information we currently have about him now. If Eva adds some additional interesting revelations about him or delves more into his past before all the player shit, maybe he could grow into a fleshed out character that people seem to want.
True. In some ways it also reminds me of how Ivy is developing at the moment. She's the character among Lena's friends that, like Jeremy for Ian, looks to be most heavily involved on both sides of the story. She's got a mix of sympathetic and not so sympathetic character traits (more so than Jeremy), and as a slightly more complex and fleshed out version of GGGB's Jessica, it initially seemed like player choices would make her into either a positive or a more corrupting influence. But in the latest chapters, especially with the Billy storyline and her involvement with Axel, and thus possibly also with Seymour, she seems more destined for the latter. One thing that sets them apart, though, is that Ivy hasn't really had any important interactions with Ian yet. That could possibly be a turning point for her.
 

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One thing that sets them apart, though, is that Ivy hasn't really had any important interactions with Ian yet. That could possibly be a turning point for her.
IanxIvy is the only Thing I still want from the game which has no real development yet. I think Ian's Option are all really good but Ivy would be interesting and possibly depending the way it would be handled could also be one of the most interesting Routes of the Game. Like you said IanxIvy is kind of the parallel to LenaxJeremy and there is defintely a Route happening so I'm hoping for this one too.

Has Eva ever mentioned some Informations about IanxIvy or is this something that most likely will not happen at all?
 
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IanxIvy is the only Thing I still want from the game which has no real development yet. I think Ian's Option are all really good but Ivy would be interesting and possibly depending the way it would be handled could also be one of the most interesting Routes of the Game. Like you said IanxIvy is kind of the parallel to LenaxJeremy and there is defintely a Route happening so I'm hoping for this one too.

Has Eva ever mentioned some Informations about IanxIvy or is this something that most likely will not happen at all?
If it does happen, in a twist I want to see Ivy “catch feelings” for Ian and struggle as to what to do. Could be interesting conflict with Lena.
 

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I feel like there is something to Ian/Ivy. Hard to say if it will be romance, but I feel like Ian has enough options to be suave in her company that there could be a possibility, but some of that comes through Cindy, and by extension Axel, which might suggest that a Ian with a high chad variable would be the way to go.
Would chad-Ian be someone that was looking for love in Ivy?

If it's not a distinct romance between the two of them, I wouldn't actually be surprised if Ian and Lena could perhaps end up having something casual with her while remaining in a serious relationship to each other, if Ian becomes more casual and chad-like and Lena becomes more posh and generally agrees with Ivy.

I can't recall if it was on here or the discord, but I remember someone theorising that Ivy's involvement with Axel and Cherry might have been because she wanted to insert herself into Lena's relationship, at least sexually, but Axel chose Cherry instead. Say if such a scenario would come up with Lena and Ian, formal relationship but sexually open. Ivy might find success with them where she failed with Axel?
Sort of a "we enjoy casual sex together, but not with just anyone" outcome?
 
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True. In some ways it also reminds me of how Ivy is developing at the moment. She's the character among Lena's friends that, like Jeremy for Ian, looks to be most heavily involved on both sides of the story. She's got a mix of sympathetic and not so sympathetic character traits (more so than Jeremy), and as a slightly more complex and fleshed out version of GGGB's Jessica, it initially seemed like player choices would make her into either a positive or a more corrupting influence. But in the latest chapters, especially with the Billy storyline and her involvement with Axel, and thus possibly also with Seymour, she seems more destined for the latter. One thing that sets them apart, though, is that Ivy hasn't really had any important interactions with Ian yet. That could possibly be a turning point for her.
I find Ivy to be the complete opposite of Jeremy's character despite the similarities you mentioned. She's written as a self-confident character that knows what she wants. So far she's successful in her various endeavors and is never really taken aback by the situations she finds herself in. It makes sense that Eva Kiss saves her for last because Ian has to be built up by the player from his default state for Ivy to take an interest in him.

Compared to Ivy, Jeremy is shown as insecure on multiple occasions and the player can actively undermine his character with both protagonists every step of the way. He somehow feels more underdeveloped than Ivy's character despite having significantly more screen time. At this point in the story he's closer to a token character for interracial fetishism than anything else, but since he's the most popular male character in Patreon polls, I'm sure he'll be further developed than Tyrone was in GGGB.
 

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True. In some ways it also reminds me of how Ivy is developing at the moment. She's the character among Lena's friends that, like Jeremy for Ian, looks to be most heavily involved on both sides of the story. She's got a mix of sympathetic and not so sympathetic character traits (more so than Jeremy), and as a slightly more complex and fleshed out version of GGGB's Jessica, it initially seemed like player choices would make her into either a positive or a more corrupting influence. But in the latest chapters, especially with the Billy storyline and her involvement with Axel, and thus possibly also with Seymour, she seems more destined for the latter. One thing that sets them apart, though, is that Ivy hasn't really had any important interactions with Ian yet. That could possibly be a turning point for her.
Yeah Ivy and Jeremy very much share a similar role in each of their respective friends lives. Each of them are the ones most heavily influencing the player characters to sleep around and not form serious relationships, which is clearly represented by the fact that you lose points with them when the player characters admit to catching feelings.

As far as player influences effecting Ivy's disposition, I really don't see that happening at the moment. She hasn't shown any indication of changing thus far and has only really become more abrasive (imo) as time has gone on. I kind of view her as the devil on Lena's shoulder, with Ian being the angel. Ivy is pushing Lena towards all the most corrupted influences, where as Ian represents the more positive aspects and tries to keep Lena grounded. Of course this is all subject to change as the story continues to unravel.
 

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If it's not a distinct romance between the two of them, I wouldn't actually be surprised if Ian and Lena could perhaps end up having something casual with her while remaining in a serious relationship to each other, if Ian becomes more casual and chad-like and Lena becomes more posh and generally agrees with Ivy.
I see this being the most likely scenario, since there's been no indication so far that Ivy has any interest in anything more than casual sex. Obviously that could change, but at least with the other casual sex characters you can see a bit of the facade starting to break. With what we've seen of Ivy so far, we haven't really seen that at all.

I can't recall if it was on here or the discord, but I remember someone theorising that Ivy's involvement with Axel and Cherry might have been because she wanted to insert herself into Lena's relationship, at least sexually, but Axel chose Cherry instead. Say if such a scenario would come up with Lena and Ian, formal relationship but sexually open. Ivy might find success with them where she failed with Axel?
Sort of a "we enjoy casual sex together, but not with just anyone" outcome?
I've seen people discuss that a few times as well and it makes sense. Another possibility is that Ivy could have been jealous of Lena that she had someone like Axel and attempted to sabotage it by introducing him to Cherry. Regardless, I think there is pretty clearly a deeper involvement between Ivy and Axel that hasn't been revealed to us yet.
 

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If it does happen, in a twist I want to see Ivy “catch feelings” for Ian and struggle as to what to do. Could be interesting conflict with Lena.
I would really like this Scenario and it would also be great character development if done right. The same or a similar Scenario I feel like could happen to Jeremy and Lena. Getting feelings for one of the best friends of the other one (Ian and Lena) and therefore making them change (Jeremy and Ivy)
 
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I would really like this Scenario and it would also be great character development if done right. The same or a similar Scenario I feel like could happen to Jeremy and Lena. Getting feelings for one of the best friends of the other one (Ian and Lena) and therefore making them change (Jeremy and Ivy)
I should clarify, I would want Ivy to have feelings for Ian, but Ian not returning them and only wanting something casual out of her...
 
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