VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.2 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[Tarmogo]

If you read the text there it's clear that its not supposed to be a popularity contest, its all about worrying that scenes are too similar or boring and garnering feedback to prevent this. The kicker is the why you enjoyed them part, eva is looking for peoples preferences on camera positioning and poses and art and player agency, both the visual/technical design of the scene. She clearly isnt looking to read someone go "I voted for Ian x Holly because they are my favourite pair "

I'm in agreeance that she isn't looking for the answers to just be a popularity contest, but when the only question the post puts forth is "What is your favourite scene" you are inherently going to get subjective answers from people based on their favorite pairing. If she wanted direct responses from people on "camera positioning and poses and art and player agency, both the visual/technical design of the scene" as you stated then that should have been outlined clearly in her post. Instead she asked for peoples favorite and then asked them to describe why in the comments, which people are doing. And as such the majority of the comments are people describing why they like the particular pairing in that scene rather than the technical aspects of it.

I completely agree with you that a more constructive conversation would be beneficial to help shape what actually makes a scene good or not from a technical perspective, but that isn't the results that this poll is going to get.

 

[BlandChili]

Just to make it clear - I don't hate Jeremy, I just don't care about him whatsoever, and that's something that I wish would change.

If we get more Jeremy content as a result of the poll, then so be it, but I hope Eva can at least establish the guy's personality a little more, so I can decide to feel some sort of way about him beyond 'could literally be any black guy'.

I feel like expanding Jeremy's role to be more broad in terms of characterisation and availability to Lena is almost too late at this point?
Like, the people that enjoy the BBC kink over anything else are probably already playing his route at this point, which arguably requires for Lena to become a pretty bad person, not just withholding his cheating but becoming Louise's "homewrecker" too.

Any additions would either have to mesh with these events, or be an entirely new Lena/Jeremy route exclusive to players who broke them up early. While I would personally find this option more interesting, I doubt it would go over well with the kink community that there'd be scenes unavailable depending on that kind of choice, so I don't think Eva would go that way.

I suppose there could be random romance added to the Jeremy route, but that sort of seems counter to the structure around it so far. Like, wouldn't it be kinda tacked on?

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

I'm in agreeance that she isn't looking for the answers to just be a popularity contest, but when the only question the post puts forth is "What is your favourite scene" you are inherently going to get subjective answers from people based on their favorite pairing. If she wanted direct responses from people on "camera positioning and poses and art and player agency, both the visual/technical design of the scene" as you stated then that should have been outlined clearly in her post. Instead she asked for peoples favorite and then asked them to describe why in the comments, which people are doing. And as such the majority of the comments are people describing why they like the particular pairing in that scene rather than the technical aspects of it.

I completely agree with you that a more constructive conversation would be beneficial to help shape what actually makes a scene good or not from a technical perspective, but that isn't the results that this poll is going to get.

Yeah I agree and think eva really should have been clearer with the post, I don't believe it required any writing at all just a vote so I imagine the majority of the votes were not acompanied by any text. With that in mind the written feedback is probably going to be people giving constructive feedback so hopefully that stuff is focused on.

I feel like expanding Jeremy's role to be more broad in terms of characterisation and availability to Lena is almost too late at this point?
Like, the people that enjoy the BBC kink over anything else are probably already playing his route at this point, which arguably requires for Lena to become a pretty bad person, not just withholding his cheating but becoming Louise's "homewrecker" too.

Any additions would either have to mesh with these events, or be an entirely new Lena/Jeremy route exclusive to players who broke them up early. While I would personally find this option more interesting, I doubt it would go over well with the kink community that there'd be scenes unavailable depending on that kind of choice, so I don't think Eva would go that way.

I suppose there could be random romance added to the Jeremy route, but that sort of seems counter to the structure around it so far. Like, wouldn't it be kinda tacked on?

I mean there are cases irl of homewreckers falling in love and living happily ever after the person leaves their spouse. Lena already knows at that point that Jeremy doesn't care about Louise so in reality she is just speeding up an inevitable breakup since jeremy is just riding it out for sex ready to jump when she wants to be committed/finds out about his cheating

As for the other point there is no way people into bbc content would be mad about eva adding new bbc content that wouldn't be in the game otherwise, content exclusive to a new route is better than it not being added at all. Besides it would probably end up being the same scenes since a dating lena/ian have the same scenes as a hookup lena/ian dont they? well roughly, it's moreso the context around the scenes that change if my memory serves me right.

 

[Reasoon]

I feel like expanding Jeremy's role to be more broad in terms of characterisation and availability to Lena is almost too late at this point?
Like, the people that enjoy the BBC kink over anything else are probably already playing his route at this point, which arguably requires for Lena to become a pretty bad person, not just withholding his cheating but becoming Louise's "homewrecker" too.

Any additions would either have to mesh with these events, or be an entirely new Lena/Jeremy route exclusive to players who broke them up early. While I would personally find this option more interesting, I doubt it would go over well with the kink community that there'd be scenes unavailable depending on that kind of choice, so I don't think Eva would go that way.

I suppose there could be random romance added to the Jeremy route, but that sort of seems counter to the structure around it so far. Like, wouldn't it be kinda tacked on?

It's interesting in general how many Routes are too late to be explored at this Point of the Game. We still don't know how many Chapters this Game will have and how much Time is left for completely new Routes for Ian and Lena. There are a lot of Routes with established Characters that have no Progress at all unitil this Point (Ed, Seymour, Stan and even some real Scenes with Axel for Lena and also Ivy and maybe even Louise for Ian) Some of these potential Routes are definitely teased and maybe even starting to build up at this Point.

And with Jeremy I think Chapter 7 and 8 clearly progressed this Route for Lena a lot so I think a real Romance Route with Jeremy could happen if it gets more and more developed in the next Chapters.

 

[Tarmogo]

Besides it would probably end up being the same scenes since a dating lena/ian have the same scenes as a hookup lena/ian dont they? well roughly, it's moreso the context around the scenes that change if my memory serves me right.

That's right. The scenes are still the same in terms of art and the point at which they occur in the game, but the tone and context of the scenes change depending on the status of their relationship.

 

[Rickster82]

I felt the second possible sex between Ian & Lena (when she had 3 orgasms) very intense and great.
The second possible sex after the visit to the Shine between Ian & Alison was also great.

Jeremy was never an option for me, rather a marginal phenomenon. Tried as best I could to keep women away from him. Useless and exchangeable!

P.S. No, I'm not a racist.

 

[BlandChili]

As for the other point there is no way people into bbc content would be mad about eva adding new bbc content that wouldn't be in the game otherwise, content exclusive to a new route is better than it not being added at all.

You sure? I feel like I see people moan fairly often about not being able to get all scenes in one playthrough, like some xbox achievement. I'll take your word for it

It's interesting in general how many Routes are too late to be explored at this Point of the Game. We still don't know how many Chapters this Game will have and how much Time is left for completely new Routes for Ian and Lena. There are a lot of Routes with established Characters that have no Progress at all unitil this Point (Ed, Seymour, Stan and even some real Scenes with Axel for Lena and also Ivy and maybe even Louise for Ian) Some of these potential Routes are definitely teased and maybe even starting to build up at this Point.

Yeah, true, and I have also speculated about possible Lena/Wade-or-Perry before, which would need some build-up of its own.

And with Jeremy I think Chapter 7 and 8 clearly progressed this Route for Lena a lot so I think a real Romance Route with Jeremy could happen if it gets more and more developed in the next Chapters.

I suppose. I just feel like there should be a romantic hook to their pairing by now, my impression of there Jeremy/Lena route is the opposite, abandonment of romantic notions and giving in to base desires.

 

[Tarmogo]

I felt the second possible sex between Ian & Lena (when she had 3 orgasms) very intense and great.
The second possible sex after the visit to the Shine between Ian & Alison was also great.

Jeremy was never an option for me, rather a marginal phenomenon. Tried as best I could to keep women away from him. Useless and exchangeable!

P.S. No, I'm not a racist.

That Ian/Lena scene you're talking about is my personal favorite of the game so far. Felt like an excellent payoff to what was built up before it.

I don't think anyone would believe you're a racist for voicing your opinion lol. There are many reasons to dislike Jeremy, but race certainly shouldn't be one of them.

 

[TheLM2312]

Jeremy is the worst side character ever, I've played already two different paths in my game but none of them I've chosen him. IMO he's so lame and only cares about his dick. He always wants to get inside the pants of the girls Ian's going for, that's not so friendly.

 

[Rickster82]

I don't think anyone would believe you're a racist for voicing your opinion lol. There are many reasons to dislike Jeremy, but race certainly shouldn't be one of them.

In times like this (BLM etc.) you have to be careful what you say against people (whether real or fictional) who have different skin color.

 

[BlandChili]

In times like this (BLM etc.) you have to be careful what you say against people (whether real or fictional) who have different skin color.

Do you? It's not that common that people add PSA's to their comments on here as far as I can tell

 

[Rickster82]

Do you? It's not that common that people add PSA's to their comments on here as far as I can tell

Sorry for my ignorance but what does PSA mean?

 

[fearsa]

Sorry for my ignorance but what does PSA mean?

Penis Suckers' Association

 

[BlandChili]

Sorry for my ignorance but what does PSA mean?

Public Service Announcement

Penis Suckers' Association

Also this, you may also optionally change "penis" with "pussy"

 

[Albaduldür]

Patrons don't own the right to influence the direction of the game just because they donate - they only own the right to what the artist offers in that tier, and the whole idea is to support the artist so they can continue to make content at all. It's just that a couple of devs who use Patreon and don't have a strong direction, or are easily swayed, or care more about the money then any particular vision they have, will let the Patrons direct them. Most of those types of games end up either never getting finished - using the Patrons as little more then bottomless cash cows - or result in a game that's of relatively low quality cos it pulls in a million different directions without focusing on the story's structure, and on forwarding and bolstering the central plot.

Personally I think Jeremy - as he is right now, and from my current experience playing - is little more then a bland stereotype, and no amount of BBC makes up for that. Not that Jeremy is beyond saving, but until he actually gets a personality and makes me care about him in some significant way, I'd prefer Ian a million times over.

But that's just my opinion on it.

You're right on the first part but devs need money to continue their project.
And Patrons are best willing to donate if they can contribute to the game (in terms of decision making) and get what they want from it.

 

[Albaduldür]

Don't get me wrong of course do patreons have the right to influence the Story since they are paying for it but I think it should stay this way - influence not change. I will respect every decision the Game will go but I just hope it makes sense for the Story and is still something Eva has at least planned herself.

I don't see how Eva is totally changing her game....she's just making sure her Patrons get more involved in the process.

 

[Albaduldür]

I felt the second possible sex between Ian & Lena (when she had 3 orgasms) very intense and great.
The second possible sex after the visit to the Shine between Ian & Alison was also great.

Jeremy was never an option for me, rather a marginal phenomenon. Tried as best I could to keep women away from him. Useless and exchangeable!

P.S. No, I'm not a racist.

I don't see how that can be racist.
You people should stop saying you're not racist when it's not needed.
Peace

 

[dundun]

While EvaKiss won't change storylines in the game over a patreon poll, characters can clearly gain more (and less) prominence. I doubt that Arthur was going to play such a big role in GGGB and even when she liked to write Doug he still vanished from the game. Also anyone remembers Robert? Early on EvaKiss even rewrote him to make him more sympathetic so he could be a 'good' romance option for Lena. It's no coincidence that he is now in the doghouse while a random hunk like Mike got promoted to a full romance. Btw, he is fighting 'Alison sexting' for last place right now

 

[sztrb]

Jeremy is the worst side character ever, I've played already two different paths in my game but none of them I've chosen him. IMO he's so lame and only cares about his dick. He always wants to get inside the pants of the girls Ian's going for, that's not so friendly.

Nah, its Perry. Cockblocking himself is one thing. Ratting Ian out if he fucks Cherry is quite another. Fuck that guy, seriously. What a shit room-mate.

Well, the Patrons have their own right to kinda influence the development because they pay for the game.
If the majority of them lean towards that direction you gotta respect it.

But aside from that matter.......Jeremy's BBC is all Lena wants.
Ian deserves to be cucked ahahahahahaahah

As I have said before, bow down to Jeremy's glorious manhood!

I'm Eva's patron and I would in no way assume to have any real influence on development. In fact, I hope the opposite that in spite of my money. Eva is not guided by people investing in her game development.

Tbh, I'm not a fan of the Ian/Lena route at all. Ever since the 6th Chapter, I've replayed the game with the two never dating or hooking up. While their sex scenes are hot, the game does play better overall for both without the two having a relationship.

 

[Rickster82]

Is the game GGGB just about a female main character? I heard about it but never played it. The title sounds a little bit like a story where you can choose the path of a girl (good + loyal or bad + slutty).