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Depending on previous choices, JeremyxIvy is either 100% happening or not, maybe LenaxIvyxJeremy or LenaxJeremyxIvyxBilly...
Another thing i expect to see is some Drama between a Lena who has shown interest in Billy and Ivy where Lena can steal the spotlight from her by seducing Billy thus ruining her modeling chances or of course just do a photoshoot, get a few drinks then fuck off back home.
 
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The way Lena talks to Holly is, again, decided by the player's choices. Lena can encourage Holly to have sex, but she also has numerous options to (literally) "protect Holly" where she does the opposite and actively counters Ivy's ideas and influence. In fact, using these options Lena can form a monogamous relationship with Holly that's presented all like innocent unicorns and rainbows for both of them, including the supposed all-out-slut Lena.

Lena's former sex partners are also not set in stone -- she mentions having a lot of them if she's Lust oriented. She mentions having some casual partners if she's Charisma oriented. And she mentions none when she's Wits oriented which, given the alternatives, makes it a logical conclusion that on this path she didn't actually have many such relationships, if any at all. Lena is very much what you choose to make her and like i said, that includes Nerd Lena who'd kept very much to herself for most of her life, with her friendship with Ivy being more of "opposites attract" than "two peas in a sex pod".

As for the cuck route... the whole cuck route and talk about past dicks only happens if you choose for Lena to have sex with Axel in Ch.9 (or to work with Seymour against her misgivings) Afterwards, what Lena is doing is having sexy talks with her partner about things he clearly enjoys. Not only are these talks based mainly on what she's done in the game not before it (so yet, again, player's choices) but there's also no guarantee that what Lena tells Ian is 100% based on her actual experiences, as opposed to just telling him what he likes to hear.


I don't think anyone is saying that. I'm simply noting that the idea of Lena as "wild, adventurous girl with plenty of sex and someone Ian has no choice but to enter open relationship with and strive all the time to match her slutty attitude" is very much misguided and perhaps based more on how you've played your particular Lena, than anything else. She can be like that, yes, but she can also be nothing like that.
I agree with a lot of what you say, and yes you can make Lena behave very differently, depending on what choices you make. But that doesn't remove her former experiences, and remake her into a completely different person. Those continue to influence her behaviour, whatever path the player forces her down. She might be all lovey dovey with Holly, but once she's out of that situation, she often reverts to kind, particularly if you're also pursuing contrary content like Stalkfap or Seymour.

Yes, you can make it so she becomes just another Holly clone if you want, by avoiding every single choice, that instinctively you know she would likely make, if not for your input. Because at the end of the day, Eva wants to give players the agency to remake the MCs to their own tastes. She may have once been a nerdy girl before she met Ivy, but regardless of what brought them together, her friendship with Ivy changed her, and she became much more open, wilder and willing to experiment sexually. Come on, she's a nude model for god's sake, and she had a relationship with a guy like Axel. Would someone like Holly have done something like that, before she too came under Ivy's influence? Ivy has had a huge influence on Lena's personality, and whatever the player tries to do, that influence remains everytime the two of them get together

Yes, you might be correct that she's telling Ian what he wants to hear on the cuck route, but conversely she might also feel freer to reveal the complete truth about her former sexual experiences, because she's secretly enjoying tormenting him? Because lets face it, couples don't generally reveal everything about their relationships with former boyfriends or girlfriends, because it can often create awkwardness or even outright jealousy, particularly if in certain aspects they were better, than your current partner.

One of my ex-partners hated me talking about any former relationships, and got really jealous if I mentioned even the slightest reminiscence. So maybe in that situation Lena feels more relaxed about telling the truth about her former hook-ups (which often involved guys who were very different to Ian), than she is, in their more conventional relationships, where she's trying a lot harder not to hurt Ian?
 
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She may have once been a nerdy girl before she met Ivy, but regardless of what brought them together, her friendship with Ivy changed her, and she became much more open, wilder and willing to experiment sexually. Come on, she's a nude model for god's sake, and she had a relationship with a guy like Axel.
I just want to point out that Cindy is also a girl who becomes a nude model and potentially gets Axel as her boyfriend. And she's nowhere near being wild sexually when that happens -- quite the opposite, she's reluctant to even give blowjobs and reacts negatively to being lightly spanked.

What i'm getting at is there isn't really anything in these two activities per se that defines a girl who engage in them as wild and sexually uninhibited. Nude modeling is just that (heck, even pure version of Holly will readily do that with Lena) and dating Axel is similarly not something that requires all-stamped sex freak bingo card to apply. As such, Lena doing these things doesn't really reflect on her personality as much as you'd present it here.

I agree that Ivy likely had some impact on Lena, but this, too is something the player can limit/control -- Lena can turn down Ivy's sexual advances as well as actively limit her actions and advice when it comes to others (Holly) and abstain from both drugs and smoking. I think it's pretty hard to argue such strait-laced and conservative version of Lena is really some sort of wild and uninhibited sex freak.
 

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It's peculiar how there are those who like when FMC is single and pursue available characters and those who like when FMC is not single so she can cheat. :PogChamp:
I prefer FMC start without a relationship just because I dislike having any characters foisted upon me for that kind of role. Starting as single doesn't have to mean you can't get a partner to cuck later, as is the case with ORS. :LOL:
 

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I prefer FMC start without a relationship just because I dislike having any characters foisted upon me for that kind of role. Starting as single doesn't have to mean you can't get a partner to cuck later, as is the case with ORS. :LOL:
I kind of like existing relationship at the start because this state of things presumably has lasted for a while, so handwringing over whether to cheat in such setup hits different than cheating on someone the MC got together with literally a week ago or less. :whistle:
 

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I prefer FMC start without a relationship just because I dislike having any characters foisted upon me for that kind of role. Starting as single doesn't have to mean you can't get a partner to cuck later, as is the case with ORS. :LOL:
Yeah same. I prefer having a preference to choose characters because I feel bad when FMC is in a relationship/married and you are either forced into NTR or Netorase. This is why I like this game and I was cringing hard when I had to cheat on Eric with Jack in GGGB. There are rarely male characters as bad men so at least you have a reason to cheat, but it's always a good guy.
 
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I think what you see in a playthrough is canon for that particular playthrough. The background of the characters ultimately adapt to the choices of the player. The best example of this is the drinking game at the beach. In the drinking game for Ian you can choose yes or no and it seems that whatever you choose is the truth.
 
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I kind of like existing relationship at the start because this state of things presumably has lasted for a while, so handwringing over whether to cheat in such setup hits different than cheating on someone the MC got together with literally a week ago or less. :whistle:
To me it never really hits at all. In a game where you start in a relationship, we as players have no more familiarity with the MC and their partner compared to any other characters, so I have no reason to care about the relationship or whether to cheat or not. So either I look for the first opportunity to dump said relationship or I never play the game at all if such an option does not exist.

To me relationships I get to decide on actually feel impactful to maneuver with and around. Because I chose it, I have reason to care. Duration can of course impact the drama somewhat, but at least I care about that drama.
Yeah same. I prefer having a preference to choose characters because I feel bad when FMC is in a relationship/married and you are either forced into NTR or Netorase. This is why I like this game and I was cringing hard when I had to cheat on Eric with Jack in GGGB. There are rarely male characters as bad men so at least you have a reason to cheat, but it's always a good guy.
I don't feel bad, I just don't feel anything at all. Eric in GGGB is an obstacle to bring out of the way to me, he's just a dude who's wasting time in the story by being present. :LOL:
Eric being good doesn't concern me.

Out of principle I usually don't play cheating characters if I can avoid it. Breaking up with their partners, to free up my FMC to make her own relationships, is sufficient for my enjoyment, when I have such options.
 
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I just want to point out that Cindy is also a girl who becomes a nude model and potentially gets Axel as her boyfriend. And she's nowhere near being wild sexually when that happens -- quite the opposite, she's reluctant to even give blowjobs and reacts negatively to being lightly spanked.

What i'm getting at is there isn't really anything in these two activities per se that defines a girl who engage in them as wild and sexually uninhibited. Nude modeling is just that (heck, even pure version of Holly will readily do that with Lena) and dating Axel is similarly not something that requires all-stamped sex freak bingo card to apply. As such, Lena doing these things doesn't really reflect on her personality as much as you'd present it here.

I agree that Ivy likely had some impact on Lena, but this, too is something the player can limit/control -- Lena can turn down Ivy's sexual advances as well as actively limit her actions and advice when it comes to others (Holly) and abstain from both drugs and smoking. I think it's pretty hard to argue such strait-laced and conservative version of Lena is really some sort of wild and uninhibited sex freak.
Yeah, you can stop her from doing all that stuff. But it's clear she's already done it anyway. Ivy and Lena have had lesbian sex in the past, they've done drugs together and they've slept around together. You can try to make her into a different person, but you can can't unmake the past, when she's been clearly very different, under Ivy's influence.

This is shown clearly with Holly. If Lena prevents Ivy having an undue influence over Holly, then she remains pretty much herself, albeit somewhat more confident and outgoing. But if she allows it, regardless of what Lena does herself, Holly rapidly transforms into Ivy Mark 2. And I'm guessing that's pretty much what happened to Lena. Love her or hate her, this girl has bucketloads of confidence, and most girls can't help but be impressed by her. Even Emma, who is hardly someone who gets easily influenced by others, is a bit in awe of Ivy when she meets her at Blazer.

Also, I think there's a bit of a difference between what Holly does with Lena, in the safe confines of Lena's bedroom, with someone she's obviously developing sexual feelings for, and what Lena does in public, with professional photographers, she's never previously met or being sketched by dozens of complete strangers, some of whom are clearly only there to get a sexual thrill. It's a pretty large order of magnitude different, which Pure Holly would never dream of contemplating. But Ivy influenced Holly, is entirely different matter. How long before she starts posting erotic photos of herself on Peoplegram? She's even suggesting to Ian that her next novel might diverge from the fantasy genre into erotic fiction. So promoting herself on social media, in a similar way to Ivy, might then become an advantage?

Cindy is clearly one of those girls who is celebrity obsessed and dreams of the glamorous lifestyle she could have, if she could become a model. But she obviously lacks confidence, even though it's clear to everyone around her, that she's actually hot and sexy. She just needs someone to tell her that and encourage her to take that step , and Wade never does, because that's not the kind of lifestyle or girlfriend that he really wants. Nobody is really surprised when Cindy actually does become a model, because only she believed that she wasn't capable of being one. So when Axel, starts saying that she'd be perfect, the dream is already there, waiting to be activated by someone who can make it happen. It's not a random event that she just falls into, because she desperately needs the money or she's got nothing better to do. It's something she's always craved, but needed for someone to say, that yeah it's not an outrageous idea. And that's what really makes Axel attractive to Cindy, because he can facilitate her dream, which is the glamorous celebrity lifestyle, that would come with being a successful model. It's not a random occurrence, because the player makes certain choices, it's her previous history, experiences and desires that push her inevitably in that direction. Because that's who she is, and the player can only modify that, by making her hook-up with Ian instead.

Is Cindy really even into Axel? Unless she's having a relationship with Ian, who she's clearly developing feelings for, I think she's still not completely over Wade? And perhaps Axel is just the guy she fucks to try and get past him? If Lena rejects him, then it's clear Axel sees Cindy as a possible replacement for her. But very much, a second class replacement. So I just don't see these hook-ups going anywhere. Because they just don't have the chemistry, that Axel and Lena obviously have, if you allow them to start hooking up again. Ian is clearly supposed to be the 'one' for Cindy (if you allow it to happen) and if you don't, then it will probably be someone else after this game is completed.

What I'm trying to say, is that what went before, is important. And whatever choices you make, you can't wish away the past and the influence that it has on these characters, and will continue to have throughout the remainder of the game. Yes, you can remake Lena and Ian to be closer to what you want, and to a lesser degree the other characters, but what they were before the players start meddling, will always be a factor and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Eva won't throw a spanner in the works, to try to derail the players efforts. Which is clearly the case, with Gillian's return, and the fact she's now going to be working with Ian. So it's not like he can just avoid her. She's going to be there on a regular basis, stirring up old memories. And if you've not allowed Ian to completely disregard his feelings for his ex-girlfriend or you've allowed him to re-connect with her in any way. You just know, that somewhere down the line, she's going to come after Ian.
 
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Yeah, you can stop her from doing all that stuff. But it's clear she's already done it anyway. Ivy and Lena have had lesbian sex in the past, they've done drugs together and they've slept around together. You can try to make her into a different person, but you can can't unmake the past, when she's been clearly very different, under Ivy's influence.
But you can, in a way, unmake the past, Lena’s past is not set in stone, it shifts based on her attributes. If Lust is her highest trait, then everything you said holds true. But if attributes like Wits are higher, she didn’t do hard drugs or sleep't around. Just replay the beach "Never Have I Ever" event with different attribute values, and you'll see Lena give different answers depending on which attribute is dominant.

Her attributes also influence her inner thoughts, for example, if Lust isn't high enough, she's more hesitant about opening a Stalkfap account.
 
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Depending on previous choices, JeremyxIvy is either 100% happening or not, maybe LenaxIvyxJeremy or LenaxJeremyxIvyxBilly...
Another thing i expect to see is some Drama between a Lena who has shown interest in Billy and Ivy where Lena can steal the spotlight from her by seducing Billy thus ruining her modeling chances or of course just do a photoshoot, get a few drinks then fuck off back home.
Well on my runs Jeremy's chances with Ivy are nil so it's never going to happen on that end.

Unfortunately however, Ian and Ivy at this point are a distant dream and are more and more looking like it will never happen, inspite of EK bullshit claims that 'it will happen'.
 
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Honestly, I have zero confidence with this up and coming 'Billy's Update'. EK is gonna talk it up, "tease" how good it will be, only for it to fall flat on it's face due to the lack of actual creativity. If anyone happens to remember the Tyrone pool party from GGGB, this photoshoot will in essence be an exact copy of that, with very likely a Tyrone Cameo just for shits and giggles and pointless unimaginate storytelling, much like how Jack showed up out of the blue. It will be more of a panderment to cuckolds wanting Ian to get cucked more than anything with Jeremy/Billy/Tyrone?/some random no body. And of course, EK will have my girl Ivy very likely try to hit things off with Billy before our bro Ian ever does, despite the pointless fanservice of late.

-sigh- Where is that cliff...?
 
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Honestly, I have zero confidence with this up and coming 'Billy's Update'. EK is gonna talk it up, "tease" how good it will be, only for it to fall flat on it's face due to the lack of actual creativity. If anyone happens to remember the Tyrone pool party from GGGB, this photoshoot will in essence be an exact copy of that, with very likely a Tyrone Cameo just for shits and giggles and pointless unimaginate storytelling, much like how Jack showed up out of the blue. It will be more of a panderment to cuckolds wanting Ian to get cucked more than anything with Jeremy/Billy/Tyrone?/some random no body. And of course, EK will have my girl Ivy very likely try to hit things off with Billy before our bro Ian ever does, despite the pointless fanservice of late.
I don't think this event being similar to the Tyrone pool party will upset a lot of people.

I rather fear this event will disappoint in a similar manner to the last Seymour section or the beach event. Both were opportunities for great depravity and both turned out much vanilla than anyone had predicted that they would. With the beach trip this mainly came down to only playing Ian's pov and anything exciting became limited to his possible scenes with Emma or slut Holly. With the Seymour trip the whole vibe changed moods, after meeting he comes off as much more cheap for the company he keeps and his sexual scene, or denial of it, makes him come across as much more feeble.

Billy's trip will disappoint, I think, if it's literally just Ivy, Lena, Billy and Jeremy hanging out, if it turns out to be the most vanilla version of what the premise of "Ivy and Lena goes on a trip to a beach house Billy rents" suggests. We await these updates to see how depraved Eva will make the content after all and recently she has shown us that she doesn't actually go that far. Even Emma who is turning into a bit of a sexual glove, fit for many different situations, have some hard boundaries that she can't really be tempted to cross yet.
 
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Is it possible to have a true friendship with female and male characters? In life I don't know which is worse. Men will hit on you even if you are supposed to be friends and women who are so called besties will at the first chance to try to take your man/have already or ruin your happy relationship/marriage out of jealousy.
 
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Is it possible to have a true friendship with female and male characters? In life I don't know which is worse. Men will hit on you even if you are supposed to be friends and women who are so called besties will at the first chance to try to take your man/have already or ruin your happy relationship/marriage out of jealousy.
I'd say it is possible but since it's a game they would want give you the option of starting a romance if you don't want a platonic relationship. In real life it's a bit more complicated. I would still say yes but very often one party would not hesitate to jump in bed with the other if it was offered. As for women friendships I am very clueless lol.
 
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I rather fear this event will disappoint in a similar manner to the last Seymour section or the beach event. Both were opportunities for great depravity and both turned out much vanilla than anyone had predicted that they would.
I think anyone expecting great depravity from this game needs to adjust their expectations in general. From the start, ORS has been more story led and vanilla than GGGB.
 
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I think anyone expecting great depravity from this game needs to adjust their expectations in general. From the start, ORS has been more story led and vanilla than GGGB.
Sadly yes, not wanting a repeat of GGGB (with varying success) led to a tamer game although some plotlines were promising
 
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