VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.3] [Eva Kiss]

[Deyrina]

- here's your money for your work, here's your product for your money.

- I can't understand the connection between the "services on patreon.com" and some "doesn't she deserve a rest?!"

 

[Deleted member 5324496]

I think the revision was a complete time waster and made the game more disjointed.

If the reason for doing the remaster was cleaning up the story to make it easier to build upon - then it clearly failed because soon it's gonna be half a year since that update, which is something that has never happened before to this author.

If it wasn't about optimizing stuff and making it easier to write... Then what the fuck was the point? The only memorable change is downgrading Billy to a generic white guy and losing amazing "oreo" threesome scene with him, Jeremy and Alison.

I do have an open mind. I do realize that stories get REALLY complex in the middle and depending on author's preference - in the end as well, since we are in for plenty of outcomes. But fuck me, that's not my problem. She knew how complex her previous game got and she knew exactly why. If she can imagine all this story and those characters, she can sure imagine how difficult would it be to write even more complex game with two intertwining characters (it's literally the title of this game for fucks sake.)

She needs to streamline and introduce some kind of routes in her game, I don't even know where would I start at this point since that shit is something you do at the beginning. I would unironically hire another writer for consulation/storyboarding at this stage, because it should be clear by now, even to most dense white knights, that something is not right.

That being said, fingers crossed. I'm not gonna doompost, we'll see what next update is gonna offer content and possibilities wise.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

The main question is, what does Ian feel? Is he really in love with Cindy, or is simply lusting over her and feels fun talking to? I don't think either of them have deep feelings for each other, they seem like teenagers who are only discovering attraction for each other. But if Ian's attraction is more physical, Cindy's attraction is more emotional but I'd say is equal in intensity. She's not the one to fuck without some level of connection. Ian encourages her to do what she loves and appreciates her when Wade doesn't, and is himself an artistically-inclined person that she respects and seems to even be a little jealous of, she likes how passionate Ian is in pursuit of his goals and I think that rubbed off on her, making her pursue her modeling hobby with equal passion. Even her lust for Axel (that she tries to suppress) is fueled by admiration for his work and new satisfaction he can give her, not sexually but emotionally / professionally. After all he's her key to a life full of excitements where she can do something she enjoys and is naturally good at, receiving intoxicating praise all the time, opposed to distracted and grumpy Wade who is never happy with her ideas and unlike Ian is too jealous to fully trust her with her newfound passion.

But that partnership works for her as long as Ian pleases her. We can see how quickly she can explode and ditch him if he does something that pisses her off, like agreeing with Wade or trying to be controlling / over-protective, impairing that emotional attraction. Also, her attraction to people is additionally fueled by her dissatisfaction with others. She gets attracted to Ian so quickly due to her poor relationship with Wade, and in turn gets even more attracted to Axel if Ian does something to annoy her. I guess we'll see her true feelings for Ian once she breaks up with Wade and won't feel the need to constantly rebel against him.

Tl;dr Cindy is an attention seeker and craves for Yes Men. Even more reason for my Ian to not pursue her. I'm just gonna fix her relationship with Wade instead.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

If the reason for doing the remaster was cleaning up the story to make it easier to build upon - then it clearly failed because soon it's gonna be half a year since that update, which is something that has never happened before to this author.

If it wasn't about optimizing stuff and making it easier to write... Then what the fuck was the point? The only memorable change is downgrading Billy to a generic white guy and losing amazing "oreo" threesome scene with him, Jeremy and Alison.

I do have an open mind. I do realize that stories get REALLY complex in the middle and depending on author's preference - in the end as well, since we are in for plenty of outcomes. But fuck me, that's not my problem. She knew how complex her previous game got and she knew exactly why. If she can imagine all this story and those characters, she can sure imagine how difficult would it be to write even more complex game with two intertwining characters (it's literally the title of this game for fucks sake.)

She needs to streamline and introduce some kind of routes in her game, I don't even know where would I start at this point since that shit is something you do at the beginning. I would unironically hire another writer for consulation/storyboarding at this stage, because it should be clear by now, even to most dense white knights, that something is not right.

That being said, fingers crossed. I'm not gonna doompost, we'll see what next update is gonna offer content and possibilities wise.

Some say Billy bathing in bleach is to avoid being too similar with Tyrone from GGGB. Not sure how true this is tho.

 

[Eye-switcher]

Is the next update scheduled to come this year or the next?

 

[Turret]

Is the next update scheduled to come this year or the next?

In the year 2525...

It is just a bit of joking. I am a hobby writer and know the woes of being creative quite well mysel, so I won´t critisise Eva on the game. I simply say that the last fully new update is now a year old will not help. I consider it a mistake by Eva that she let the patrons vote about releasing the Ian part early. It was a mistake because releasing some new stuff after all this time would have been far better for the outer image of the game, keeping it in the minds of the audience.
Especially the wider audience. The patrons are mostly on board in any case, but someone just stumbling over the game now? Seeing and reading how long the relaese gap is and how longer it will go on, many will say "no to a comatose development", because that it is how it comes across! The patrons are hurting ORS with their shortsighted decision and as said, it was a mistake to let them decide in the first place.

 

[Sherka]

Do you think оn Cindy's love path she feels the same way about Ian as he does about her?

Maybe, my theory is that it depends on the decisions you make as Ian, maybe based on some choose Cindy is not as committed to the relationship as Ian is (like she is currently with Wade), and also, maybe with some choose she will be more in love with Ian than he is with her.

 

[LoneWaker59]

Is the next update scheduled to come this year or the next?

August 2023 according to the latest post on patreon.
Season 2 will be released in 2025 because Eva needs MORE vacation!!

 

[selberdreher]

Tl;dr Cindy is an attention seeker and craves for Yes Men. Even more reason for my Ian to not pursue her. I'm just gonna fix her relationship with Wade instead.

That's a harsh, but not entirely untrue statement.
I have preferred the term 'high maintenance girl', which isn't necessarily a bad trait. "Every nut has its bolt" or "Every Jack has its Jill" relates to the fitting partner of someone, and depending on yourIans mindset, he may be the one. Some boys like to please and spoil their girls and some girls want to be pampered and spoiled, which certainly isn't true for everybody. However, i don't see Wade as the fitting one for Cindy, so fixing their relationship will bring only further harm down the way. Neither do i see Axel as the right choice, because his attention and flattery is not out of genuine interest for a girl, but to conquer and score just another notch on his bedpost.
Being neglected by her boyfriend for so long at such a relatively young age may have led Cindy to exaggerate her base personality. She entered a long term relationship relatively early and settled for the next best job in her fathers firm, but has now to ask herself if that's what she wants for the foreseeable future, the next 10 to 15 years, and her answer is no.
Cindy hesitated to burn her bridges, since there weren't any valid alternatives, and having something is better than nothing, right?
Now as there are alternatives presenting themselves to her, she has broken those shackles and is not willing to be restrained right away again, that's why she can get pissy at Ian if he tries to be -as she perceives it- controlling.

I think without a clear goal and path, she can profit from a guiding and hedging Ian more than from a leading one, and in this process they can grow closer, while they discover her wants and needs and find out whether Ian is the one who can satisfy those.

With all that said, i believe the best fit for Ian would be Holly, although in my canon playthrough i opted for Cindy to see where it leads.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I forgot who on this thread recommended this game to me. It was a post about other quality recommended games while waiting for ORS updates. Thanks, to whoever it was. Keeps getting better with every update, especially in the writing, and deserves a lot more love than the patreon numbers would suggest. https://f95zone.to/threads/tabletop-bornstar-v0-40-basilicata.75111/

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

That's a harsh, but not entirely untrue statement.
I have preferred the term 'high maintenance girl', which isn't necessarily a bad trait. "Every nut has its bolt" or "Every Jack has its Jill" relates to the fitting partner of someone, and depending on yourIans mindset, he may be the one. Some boys like to please and spoil their girls and some girls want to be pampered and spoiled, which certainly isn't true for everybody. However, i don't see Wade as the fitting one for Cindy, so fixing their relationship will bring only further harm down the way. Neither do i see Axel as the right choice, because his attention and flattery is not out of genuine interest for a girl, but to conquer and score just another notch on his bedpost.
Being neglected by her boyfriend for so long at such a relatively young age may have led Cindy to exaggerate her base personality. She entered a long term relationship relatively early and settled for the next best job in her fathers firm, but has now to ask herself if that's what she wants for the foreseeable future, the next 10 to 15 years, and her answer is no.
Cindy hesitated to burn her bridges, since there weren't any valid alternatives, and having something is better than nothing, right?
Now as there are alternatives presenting themselves to her, she has broken those shackles and is not willing to be restrained right away again, that's why she can get pissy at Ian if he tries to be -as she perceives it- controlling.

I think without a clear goal and path, she can profit from a guiding and hedging Ian more than form a leading one, and in this process they can grow closer, while they discover her wants and needs and find out whether Ian is the one who can satisfy those.

With all that said, i believe the best fit for Ian would be Holly, although in my canon playthrough i opted for Cindy to see where it leads.

I try to fix their relationship because I think both can learn to be a better person if they stay together. Wade can learn to be more caring and motivated, and Cindy to be less selfish and more understanding. They definitely need to be more communicative to each other as well.

I, too, believe that Holly is perfect for Ian after playing both her and Lena's path. Not just for the former's shared interest with Ian, but the latter is like walking on a minefield.

 

[IronManFolgore]

Can we please get the choice to kill of the manbun friend like the father from Good Girls Gone Bad, dude brings out some kinda primal rage inside of me

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Can we please get the choice to kill of the manbun friend like the father from Good Girls Gone Bad, dude brings out some kinda primal rage inside of me

The only role Perry has in the game is to make you feel better about yourself. He is like that Nick Frost's character in Shaun of the Dead who the main character keeps around just to feel less like a loser.

 

[Sombramain22]

Some say Billy bathing in bleach is to avoid being too similar with Tyrone from GGGB. Not sure how true this is tho.

starting to think eve might just be raciest

 

[Turret]

With all that said, i believe the best fit for Ian would be Holly, although in my canon playthrough i opted for Cindy to see where it leads.

I, too, believe that Holly is perfect for Ian after playing both her and Lena's path. Not just for the former's shared interest with Ian, but the latter is like walking on a minefield.

Yes, Holly is one of the best fits for Ian. The top three for him - with some margin - are Holly, Alison and Lena. Holly and him share a lot of interests, Alison and Ian already liked each other in school, but were to shy to act on it and Lena is creative in another field, but they share similar interests as well.

 

[GifMeMore1987]

starting to think eve might just be raciest

racy
[ rey-see ]

adjective, rac·i·er, rac·i·est.

1 slightly improper or indelicate; suggestive; risqué.
2 vigorous; lively; spirited.
3 sprightly; piquant; pungent: a racy literary style.
4 having an agreeably peculiar taste or flavor, as wine, fruit, etc.



Don't think I agree with you!

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

starting to think eve might just be raciest

Of course, she had a lot of black characters in her previous game, latin and asian characters, a lot of interracial scenes, and even an interracial gangbang. What a terrible racism!

 

[CoalPhelps]

I forgot who on this thread recommended this game to me. It was a post about other quality recommended games while waiting for ORS updates. Thanks, to whoever it was. Keeps getting better with every update, especially in the writing, and deserves a lot more love than the patreon numbers would suggest. https://f95zone.to/threads/tabletop-bornstar-v0-40-basilicata.75111/

It was DavDR and I'm not going to lie, I'm glad he doesn't post in the thread anymore because we won't have that "Ian is a 26-year-old loser and Robert is a god of adulthood because he has a dead-end job in the service industry" discussion again.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

starting to think eve might just be raciest

 

[sevensham]

any update news?