VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.3] [Eva Kiss]

[-DarkHorizon-]

To be honest, after this absurd shillyshally with ch.10, over a year without new stuff, Eva needs to restore some reputation. When she made GGGB, even during very complex chapters, she kept a rather regular schedule. Half a year for the next chapter is simply too long.
We have other high quality, complex games on site, developed by 1 or 2 persons, like "Pale Carnations", "Summer´s gone", "Where it all began", Nothing is forever", Tomie wanna get married" to name a couple, which keep to a schedule of 3-4 months, Tomie gets updated every month, or got faster over time.

I'm hesitant to compare the development between 2D and 3D games as the time investment for a single picture/render varies a lot. Although while it has been over a year since the last chapter, it's (going by this thread) been in April when Eva last released an update. Granted there is some criticism warranted here for doing a remaster mid-development and the time it took but it's over and done with (hopefully).

My impression of Eva as a dev is that she doesn't like to give up creative control and tends to micromanage most tasks, which gets more time intensive as the game advances and adds more variables, branches to consider. Though, I'd be glad if she found reliable people she can delegate some tasks to.

In the end, as I'm not currently supporting her, it doesn't feel right to accuse her of anything and I'm just happy when an update drops.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Even with a new release every 3-4 months, we're looking at roughly three more years of production time. At the least. 2026/2027 for a completed tag? That's a long time in today's world. It practically means that the dev will have to work on the same title for most of the current decade, and not many people are ready for such a commitment.

The last 18 months with only two story updates fucked this game over big time. Almost to the point that it's fair to assume it might not get finished.

I have faith in Eva's commitment to complete the game, based on her previous long-standing track-record (pre-summer 2021) & general pride in her work vs other devs. In a worst-case scenario, I'd imaging a rush-job to an early Chapter-14 or 15 finish, cutting short the original goal, which was never set in stone, maybe in 2024*. It'll be easier to get a read on if she's at that point after playing the current chapter to see where the attention to quality is. Absolute best-case, if she can manage to tighten things up production-wise and gets a positive boost to continue with her original vision on a game started in 2020: A full 18-20 chapters released by 2025*, way more likely ~18 with a few post-release updates revisited afterwards like she did for GGGB. If she scores a jackpot with a fully-released 18-chapter game on Steam, she can afford to rush some additional "dlc" chapters by that point while bouncing to other projects to get a breath of sanity. You're right that 6+ years is a very long time for any one dev to work on a single game without getting breathing room to work on something else. But I do think she'll finish it one way or another and I don't think it needs to take that long if refocused and managed correctly.

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Addendum: Note most "abondeded" projects out there. Either half the time was put into them as ORS or they come from a AAA company with employees that bounce around project-to-project in game down-time. Their "lifes-work" stakes aren't in it to nearly the extent of effort she's put into this game so far. I don't imagine a creator in her situation would let themselves abandon something they've put this much work into already. It takes a very big piece out of you and would likely gnaw on her until it was done. (Well, unless some big game company snatches her up and pays millions for her to work on something else. Opportunity and shit tons of cash does wonders for those holes in your heart. Even then, maybe they buy ORS to release under Disney's new BBC Porn division).

 

[dolfe67]

Even with a new release every 3-4 months, we're looking at roughly three more years of production time. At the least. 2026/2027 for a completed tag? That's a long time in today's world. It practically means that the dev will have to work on the same title for most of the current decade, and not many people are ready for such a commitment.

The last 18 months with only two story updates fucked this game over big time. Almost to the point that it's fair to assume it might not get finished.

Maybe not you but if the content is of quality many people are ready to commit for years. And there is always the turnover of patrons. Look at DPC, he has plans for at least a decade. But he's a man of focus, commitment and sheer fucking will.

 

[BloodyMares]

Maybe not you but if the content is of quality many people are ready to commit for years. And there is always the turnover of patrons. Look at DPC, he has plans for at least a decade. But he's a man of focus, commitment and sheer fucking will.

I'd rather not spend 5 more years on a single walkthrough

 

[Anthers]

I have the same issue.

Also some scenes that I have occur don't show up in the gallery. I think the gallery is just a bit broken right now. Hopefully will be patched tomorrow.

The other scene I couldn't unlock and don't know what I missed is when Lena postpones sex with Robert to the end of chapter 3. All the others are done.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

The thing and issue goes back to the unneed and questionable "Stan Update"

Like this, I also think the Billy rework was unneeded and took time away from chapter 10. However there were a few little things I did like. Namely Jeremy and Emma

 

[RoboticCatDogHybrid]

Feel like a fkn crack addict waiting for the update to drop my bros. Hummana Hummana Hummana.

 

[Chemish]

Like this, I also think the Billy rework was unneeded and took time away from chapter 10. However there were a few little things I did like. Namely Jeremy and Emma

RIP Billy

 

[suzuki1980]

If Ivy doesn’t get some M/F action, I’m going to be so sad.

 

[vgbestly]

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[Eye-switcher]

Two things need to be confirmed, Old saves will work and more Jeremy - Lena content

 

[Prinzessfreya]

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The Alpha is almost here. I'm finishing tying everything up, and the new chapter will be ready tomorrow, 29th of November, at 20:00h (UTC+01:00)

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so that means Today 21:00 at my Time. The Problem is i have covid now and i hope im not too sick to play it

 

[portrapoodle]

Two things need to be confirmed, Old saves will work and more Jeremy - Lena content

saves made pre the remastered version will not work as the variables have changed.
If you're confident using the console though, you should be able to fix that pretty easily though.

We have no idea about content except for a rough number of scenes.

 

[imagica]

With the amount of hype this release has, I hope it will be posted here with the light speed right after it becomes available.

 

[DDDIsReal]

so that means Today 21:00 at my Time. The Problem is i have covid now and i hope im not too sick to play it

After 1 year of waiting i’ll playing even dead

 

[Eye-switcher]

For clarification, is the release at the time specified or any time but before the time specified?

 

[SerHawkes]

Like this, I also think the Billy rework was unneeded and took time away from chapter 10. However there were a few little things I did like. Namely Jeremy and Emma

We still don't even know the reasoning why she whitewashed him in the first place. Didn't bother to ask her patrons or fans at all. Just did it all on a whim, much like the "Stan Rework", which isn't a rework at all. Just added a few things to make the guy who was already cringey and creepy even more so. All because she wasn't a fan of how he was written so far. Gee... whose fault is that hmm?

 

[dundun]

What is the requirement for the first choice?
I've set charisma to 10 and it still is not available
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You need 3 charisma and not have flirtet too much with Cindy (like 'Make a sexual innuendo' when playing billiard with her)

 

[Anthers]

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Waiting thread? I thought it has become a complaining thread. And most here got the game for free.

 

[Anthers]

We still don't even know the reasoning why she whitewashed him in the first place. Didn't bother to ask her patrons or fans at all. Just did it all on a whim, much like the "Stan Rework", which isn't a rework at all. Just added a few things to make the guy who was already cringey and creepy even more so. All because she wasn't a fan of how he was written so far. Gee... whose fault is that hmm?

I think she wanted to avoid the "bbc dp" so common in porn and she used before in GGGB. And let's be honest, in reality, how many black people could be as rich as Billy's father is?
And it's a work in progress, all writers have the right to remake things as they want until it's finished. If this game was a book or a movie, we would never know Billy had another skin color before. We just saw the change being done.