VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[SerHawkes]

Their are routes where Lena finds out about Ian cheating and she instantly breaks it off. Ian finding out about Lena cheating seems to be coming around the same time as the cuck path.

Clearly they are treated differently by the author.

Considering the fact that Eva is inconsistant of a fair amount of things with this game and its characters, it's not really surprising.

 

[mommysboiii]

Their are routes where Lena finds out about Ian cheating and she instantly breaks it off. Ian finding out about Lena cheating seems to be coming around the same time as the cuck path.

Clearly they are treated differently by the author.

Considering the fact that Eva is inconsistant of a fair amount of things with this game and its characters, it's not really surprising.

sure buddys I have a idea maybe as a young talent you can pitch that idea to apple ,microsoft or eva kiss

I have a AMAZING idea that will define the erotic game genre.
We just delete every male cheracter in game,every cuck route or anything interesting drama or corruption related in game, make ians dick 16 times the details more veins and 3 d animated zoom in and 2 times the size.Ian can cheat as much as he wants no quenstions asked.
Than we call this game let me thing mhhh what about

our red dik?
our red summertime saga?
our red harem hotel?
our red WVM?
Ian becomes a rockstar?
Ian in milf city?
big dick ian solving crimes?

 

[Chalker]

sure buddys I have a idea maybe as a young talent you can pitch that idea to apple ,microsoft or eva kiss

I have a AMAZING idea that will define the erotic game genre.
We just delete every male cheracter in game,every cuck route or anything interesting drama or corruption related in game, make ians dick 16 times the details more veins and 3 d animated zoom in and 2 times the size.Ian can cheat as much as he wants no quenstions asked.
Than we call this game let me thing mhhh what about

our red dik?
our red milf city?
our red summertime saga?
our red harem hotel?
our red WVM?
Ian becomes a rockstar?

That would be nice
Or just maybe stop punishing Ian for shit Lena is rewarded for.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

yeah and them hire a young,unexperinced,naive random person with zero experince which sound very strange but we will see

i.e. a model. You have to follow commands, maintain balance & act natural, but it's not a top-tier skill gig requiring years of training or the hottest models would be 68, dragging their titties behind them on the runway. Though then again, with the current crop of Victoria's Secret models, maybe Molly's still got a shot.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Their are routes where Lena finds out about Ian cheating and she instantly breaks it off.

Ian has a chance to apologize and reconcile with Lena afterwards, though their relationship won't be as strong in this route. Also, she breaks it off because Ian sleeps with their best friend Holly. It's pretty fucked up to the point that Ian feels so guilty about it he immediately confesses to Lena—no chance for lying at all.

Ian finding out about Lena cheating seems to be coming around the same time as the cuck path.

I don't know much about the Cuck path, but so far Ian hasn't found out about Lena's cheating—just assumptions. The humiliation scene where Lena dominates Ian and teases him about fucking another men is just dirty talk for Ian since—once again—he doesn't have any concrete evidence of Lena cheating. Let's say Ian finds out about Lena fucking Jeremy, I believe he'll break it off immediately as well. Also, I'm pretty sure his Cuck path has been developed since him jacking off to Lena's Stalkfap. Feel free correct me here.

If you really want to see Lena's Cuckquean path, it might trigger during her and Ian's threesome in the future. Seems reasonable to have it there.

 

[lipe2410]

I'm pretty sure his Cuck path has been developed since him jacking off to Lena's Stalkfap. Feel free correct me here.

Actually, what seems trigger cuck path is Ian showing insecurity when Lena say he is "one of the best" cocks she got. If he simply react with "ok" to that, even if he jerk off and feels excited about Lena's stalkfap, there is no cuck path to him.
Which in fact i think was a very good and smart decision from Eva.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Actually, what seems trigger cuck path is Ian showing insecurity when Lena say he is "one of the best" cocks she got.

Can you tell me when did she exactly say this?

 

[lipe2410]

Can you tell me when did she exactly say this?

Ch. 10, in the first sex scene of them , if i remember right.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Ch. 10, in the first sex scene of them , if i remember right.

Huh, I don't remember Ian being insecure in my playthrough. Seems like there's requirements to trigger it.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

sure buddys I have a idea maybe as a young talent you can pitch that idea to apple ,microsoft or eva kiss

I have a AMAZING idea that will define the erotic game genre.
We just delete every male cheracter in game,every cuck route or anything interesting drama or corruption related in game, make ians dick 16 times the details more veins and 3 d animated zoom in and 2 times the size.Ian can cheat as much as he wants no quenstions asked.
Than we call this game let me thing mhhh what about

our red dik?
our red summertime saga?
our red harem hotel?
our red WVM?
Ian becomes a rockstar?
Ian in milf city?
big dick ian solving crimes?

Actually, Big Dick Ian Solves Crimes sounds pretty good. Lots of "private dick" references and the glans can pulsate every time there's a clue around. Or maybe some sort of divining rod action.

 

[ffive]

Huh, I don't remember Ian being insecure in my playthrough. Seems like there's requirements to trigger it.

There's no requirement whatsoever for that line. It shows up if Ian is served a handjob: "One of the best?" with a sadface.

Mind you, the handjob requires Lena to be too miffed to engage in regular sex from the get go, which in turn is caused either by having sex with Axel, or by unwillingly accepting Seymour's offer.

 

[fatpussy123]

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There's no requirement whatsoever for that line. It shows up if Ian is served a handjob: "One of the best?" with a sadface.

Mind you, the handjob requires Lena to be too miffed to engage in regular sex from the get go, which in turn is caused either by having sex with Axel, or by unwillingly accepting Seymour's offer.

Can't it also be triggered by Lena just never having sex with Ian?

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

There's no requirement whatsoever for that line. It shows up if Ian is served a handjob: "One of the best?" with a sadface.

Mind you, the handjob requires Lena to be too miffed to engage in regular sex from the get go, which in turn is caused either by having sex with Axel, or by unwillingly accepting Seymour's offer.

That seems like requirements to me.

Lena isn't involved in anything intimate with either Axel and Seymour in my playthrough, yet she's still able to give Ian handjob—minus the line.

 

[monk_56]

sure buddys I have a idea maybe as a young talent you can pitch that idea to apple ,microsoft or eva kiss

I have a AMAZING idea that will define the erotic game genre.
We just delete every male cheracter in game,every cuck route or anything interesting drama or corruption related in game, make ians dick 16 times the details more veins and 3 d animated zoom in and 2 times the size.Ian can cheat as much as he wants no quenstions asked.
Than we call this game let me thing mhhh what about

our red dik?
our red summertime saga?
our red harem hotel?
our red WVM?
Ian becomes a rockstar?
Ian in milf city?
big dick ian solving crimes?

Anytime someone forms a reasonable criticism you roll out a hyperbolic AF straw man argument.

Your love of cuckoldry has laser-vision; but your argumentative skills are blind and trying to see through 50 feet of concrete in a pitch black room.

Will definitely suit the game's overall vibe though if Ian's routes continue to get hard shut down if he gets in a relationship. He's designed to be super-fucking average. All the lustier / hotter routes are reserved for the larger more attractive men.

Maybe once he is a successful author he can finally get some more dynamic route content. How's that for gritty realism. Gotta be a successful author raking in huge amounts of cash before you can get some goddamed mff scenes and not have all your routes closing on every turn

 

[ffive]

That seems like requirements to me.

Yes, but that's the requirement for entire branch of events, not that line specifically.

Lena isn't involved in anything intimate with either Axel and Seymour in my playthrough, yet she's still able to give Ian handjob—minus the line.

This can potentially happen if Lena hasn't had sex with Ian, it's a separate event branch. Ian gets opportunity there to get insecure if Lena has fucked either Mike or Robert.

Can't it also be triggered by Lena just never having sex with Ian?

Yup, that's correct.

 

[fatpussy123]

Anytime someone forms a reasonable criticism you roll out a hyperbolic AF straw man argument.

Your love of cuckoldry has laser-vision; but your argumentative skills are blind and trying to see through 50 feet of concrete in a pitch black room.

Will definitely suit the game's overall vibe though if Ian's routes continue to get hard shut down if he gets in a relationship. He's designed to be super-fucking average. All the lustier / hotter routes are reserved for the larger more attractive men.

Maybe once he is a successful author he can finally get some more dynamic route content. How's that for gritty realism. Gotta be a successful author raking in huge amounts of cash before you can get some goddamed mff scenes and not have all your routes closing on every turn

I mean it makes sense for a semi-realistic game the average guy, who Ian is, has a harder time getting into threesomes with literal models. Comparing Ian to Axel is like comparing apples to the whole goddamn fruit section. Lena on the other hand starts off already very desirable. Hot as fuck, artistic, and a model. What guy wouldnt want a piece of that. Lena obviously has a head start. That isnt to say Ian hasnt or wont get into crazy sexual situations. Already at the end of the last chapter he can begin organising a FFM threesome with Lena, the same chapter he can outperform Jeremy in a MMF threesome.

From a writing perspective it makes sense why Lena content is favoured to be more sexual and corruption based. As an example take the scenario man corrupts woman and put that into a porn game narrative. If the perspective is on the man he doesnt experience character growth. He starts Chad and ends up Chad with a corrupted woman companion. The way to give him growth would be to start the story a loser and over time he becomes the Chad. I think thats whats happening in ORS, for example, Ian can slowly become more of a dom to Lena, bust nuts into Alison and make her bark, get rougher with Holly, make Cindy keep cheating, etc. But his growth into Chad is too slow for a lot of people so I see where a lot of people are coming from. If the perspective is shifted to be on the woman, the character arc is obvious, she starts off uncorrupted and becomes corrupted over time. This is kinda complciated tthough because in ORS the perspective is on both characters and theres multiple characters with multiple routes.

I think one way to look at it is Lena content more favours corruption and Ians content more favours romance, but both characters have love and courruption in their content one way or another.

 

[monk_56]

I totally get what the intent is with Ian re: character growth. I think Eva overdid it making him average / making the other characters better than him though.

I will say, I think there are tons of unexplored vectors for charter growth- the loser male MC who becomes better overtime is super overdone. I presume in part because it is baseline relatable to a lot of male gamers, but also in equal part because it is a very clear character design. Also, very easy to write.

You're right an insta-chad with no flaws or development isn't very interesting. I'd posit it is reductive to say a male character cannot have growth unless they start out weak / small / a loser though. A stronger male character can have lot of vectors for character development- smut game developers just aren't usually creative / smart enough to do it.
(Not a dig at Eva- just more a general criticisms of the industry writ large. I think she could have if she wanted to.)

The super hot female corruption character who just becomes a cum-dump eventually is perhaps the most overdone trope in porn as well. I don't really get why it is so popular- there is some sort of pervasive zietgiest there regarding the average porn game consumer that I simply am not understanding. I prefer to see female protagonist content where they aren't just used and abused by the men around them; but there sure as hell aint much of it.

Eva Kiss has created a somewhat compelling combination of those two extremely common porn character developments and the interaction of them is somewhat novel- but Ian feels like such a bitch and it is annoying.

As an aside, I'd love to see more work with fresher tropes.

 

[ffive]

If the perspective is shifted to be on the woman, the character arc is obvious, she starts off uncorrupted and becomes corrupted over time.

Funnily enough any potential "corruption" of Lena is largely in player's head instead of in game -- because game-wise Lena can act sexually open from get-go, and if she doesn't sleep around while in relationship it's not because she doesn't have such desires, but because she feels "owned" by sufficiently dominant partner. She actually says (thinks) as much in her Ch.11 prologue scene with Ian.

 

[fatpussy123]

Funnily enough any potential "corruption" of Lena is largely in player's head instead of in game -- because game-wise Lena can act sexually open from get-go, and if she doesn't sleep around while in relationship it's not because she doesn't have such desires, but because she feels "owned" by sufficiently dominant partner. She actually says (thinks) as much in her Ch.11 prologue scene with Ian.

I will concede that. Lena compared to Ashley the protagonist from Eva Kiss' first game is a much worse written character. i think the issue stems from her being the ex of Axel, the ultimate gigachad. Ashley starts the story in a relantionship and needs to work up to the point of being willing to cheat. In ORS the only stat comparable to the good/bad points is the lust stat, which is inconsistent in the sense of sometimes it determines how good of a fuck the character is and otherr times its how willing is this person willing to break someones trust (ie pushing Jeremy for a blowie despite Ian having a crush on her yada yada).

BTW these problems with ORS writing / strucuture are only problems because of Eva Kiss' high standard. Legit any other game on this website is a pump and dump, no thoughts given to their characters past post nut clarity. IMO ORS is the best game on here, but therefore should be held to a higher standard

 

[lipe2410]

Funnily enough any potential "corruption" of Lena is largely in player's head instead of in game -- because game-wise Lena can act sexually open from get-go, and if she doesn't sleep around while in relationship it's not because she doesn't have such desires, but because she feels "owned" by sufficiently dominant partner. She actually says (thinks) as much in her Ch.11 prologue scene with Ian.

And it's not like Ian is a sore loser in the beginning either. I mean, he can easily win Alison's attention and surpass Jeremy in this run for her right in the firsts chapters. A average guy overcome the usual "all-mighty bbc" is hardly a lose for me.