VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[dontcarewhateverno]

Out of curiosity, I took a look at Lena's internal monologue when she turns Ian down. She says to herself:

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Putting aside the out-of-game explanation of Eva not wanting to make things even more complicated, from an in-game perspective, that internal monologue doesn't 100% fit my speculation about Lena not wanting to hurt Ian. Bringing Louise into it tells me that Lena's more worried about the consequences to herself, although I'm sure Ian's feelings play a role.

I also don't think her thoughts easily fit the corruption angle and not being interested in relationships, as this reaction indicates interest mixed with the fear of being caught and its consequences, instead of disinterest. I could see why people would believe this indicates a corruption path though. If there is such a path, I'd think it'd start with hooking up with Mike.

Lena's internal monologue there also reads to me as a convenient but implausible/awkward cop-out to avoid those out-of-game writing and design complications of a Lena/Jeremy cheating path. I find it hard to separate the two and in a perfect world with better development re$ource$, planning or writing skill, I don't think we'd see that monologue or path lock-out happen in such a way. In reality this is still a low-budget indie porn-game, albeit a very good one considering the competition. There are just too many moving parts for it to be perfect. I'm not expecting many clever masterstrokes in Eva's writing for these awkward situations where quality faces off against development realities. I'd be content with a few more "master strokes" which the game's provided pretty well so far.

 

[SerHawkes]

Personally I feel like Lena is the most hypocritical in terms of her writing and how she is. I mean the fact that Eva has he cop out excuses to justify her actions or choices, not to mention the whole Ian-Holly debacle, where Ian does get kissed by Holly, she's livid and holds it against Ian for some time... BUT it's totally okay for her to make kissy faces with Louise and Ivy and whoever else that she might be seeing potentially.

Like I've said before, and I will say it again: There is alot of inconsistency when it comes to theses characters that needs to be handled and mended sooner rather than later.

 

[mommysboiii]

Like I've said before, and I will say it again: There is alot of inconsistency when it comes to theses characters that needs to be handled and mended sooner rather than later.

BREAKING NEWS

“After SerHawkes request I delete every male cheracter out of the game, make Ians dick 2 times the seiz, every women likes to share Ian, and Ivy will be a virgin again that magicly playes twister on Ians dick ” by evakiss

 

[ffive]

not to mention the whole Ian-Holly debacle, where Ian does get kissed by Holly, she's livid and holds it against Ian for some time... BUT it's totally okay for her to make kissy faces with Louise and Ivy and whoever else that she might be seeing potentially.

I don't think Lena is being inconsistent -- her whole reluctance with Holly comes simply from her knowing that Holly has feelings for Ian, so she wants Ian either to commit to Holly or refrain from leading her on, in order not to hurt her. Lena making out with Louise or Ivy isn't going to bother Holly who doesn't have any known feelings for either of these two.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

BREAKING NEWS

“After SerHawkes request I delete every male cheracter out of the game, make Ians dick 2 times the seiz, every women likes to share Ian, and Ivy will be a virgin again that magicly playes twister on Ians dick ” by evakiss

 

[SerHawkes]

I don't think Lena is being inconsistent -- her whole reluctance with Holly comes simply from her knowing that Holly has feelings for Ian, so she wants Ian either to commit to Holly or refrain from leading her on, in order not to hurt her. Lena making out with Louise or Ivy isn't going to bother Holly who doesn't have any known feelings for either of these two.

Yet at the same time, she can be also pursuing Holly as well. Let alone both Ian and Lena can be interested in Holly at the same time. Your not wrong in saying what you said. Yet to me, it adds more unneeded drama and complex things when it doesn't need to be fucking rocket science.

I made the suggestion ages ago, dismissed naturally by Maresy and others, that the whole Ian-Holly-Lena thing should be handled differently. Like for Ian, if he is into both of them, yet hasn't slept with Lena at the time (A hard choice I know), for him to admit his feelings to Holly yet mention he is interested in Lena as well, and of course Lena confess to Holly after the trip, that she is into Holly and Ian as well.

How is what I suggested entirely unphathomable? Just get their feelings out in the open and go from there. There isn't need for this pussyfooting around with maybes and longing for each other. Every thing can get sorted out once all the feeling are laid bare. But instead, we have Lena, if she is with Ian, still have the option to show interest in Holly and go about this 'Oh what would Ian say... I have feelings for Holly but I can't act on them...' For fuck sake... Just talk to Ian, tell him about them, then talk to Holly and go from there.

 

[ffive]

Yet at the same time, she can be also pursuing Holly as well.

Well, i'd say it is more along the lines she's being attracted to Holly, but she keeps reminding herself Holly likes Ian and so she keeps holding back -- like ending the photo-session early while she's willing to go all way with Holly if Ian isn't in the picture.

If you feel that the whole Lena getting oh so cautious about Holly feelings is frustrating then i'll quite agree, it definitely can be. On the other hand, it makes for one of these slow burn things so... ehh, i guess there'd be both fans and people who'd rather have things work different no matter which approach Eva went for.

(talking things out would definitely help to resolve matters, but then soap operas are absolutely allergic to any sort of clear communication, so this is sadly by the book)

 

[SerHawkes]

...one of these slow burn things so...

No kidding. Ivy is one of those. More so than Ian-Holly-Lena.

But I digress. Agree with the lack of communication, as we also see with Louise and Jeremy, not to mention Wade and Cinders... If for drama purposes, eh... it 'works' but I'd give it a 5/10 for effort. Some drama is fine and all but do we need it with every character or possible relationship? No not really. It just saturates with possible pointless drama that don't add to the story other than for a placeholder for drama.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

When I looked at this image I remembered the shit Lena has to read on her Stalkfap so I had to do this haha

 

[SerHawkes]

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When I looked at this image I remembered the shit Lena has to read on her Stalkfap so I had to do this haha

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Gonna wager that was Stan's comment. Jokes on him, he's getting cucked already.

 

[pavlogrk]

has anyone tried to ruin ivy's and lena's friendship?

 

[JoeSte91]

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When I looked at this image I remembered the shit Lena has to read on her Stalkfap so I had to do this haha

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This should be a mod hahaha

 

[JohnnyKiss]

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When I looked at this image I remembered the shit Lena has to read on her Stalkfap so I had to do this haha

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This reminds me of certain someone on here

 

[Shaggyhair]

While Lena x Stan would definitely happen, Ch. 11 is too early for that. Even if it does, they won't go all the way to 3rd base.

I mean he rubbed one out on here. I think at the very least a bj but who knows, maybe they do go all the way behind Ian’s back.

 

[SerHawkes]

I mean he rubbed one out on here. I think at the very least a bj but who knows, maybe they do go all the way behind Ian’s back.

Right... because Stan is "cough cough man enough cough cough" to do that.

Good joke. 10/10 would tell again.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

I kinda want Stan to become Lena's munch and maybe clean up Lena after she has a good time at home.

 

[DeemLeem12]

I don't think Lena is being inconsistent -- her whole reluctance with Holly comes simply from her knowing that Holly has feelings for Ian, so she wants Ian either to commit to Holly or refrain from leading her on, in order not to hurt her. Lena making out with Louise or Ivy isn't going to bother Holly who doesn't have any known feelings for either of these two.

Dunno. If hurting feelings is what she is avoiding then I don't think she would cheating with Jeremy even though she been friends with Louise for a long time and is her roommate. Same goes for Mike who she knows already has a girlfriend. It is weird that she suddenly becomes goody two shoes when it comes to Holly. I think it is fine if she resisted kissing Holly the first time if she or Holly is dating with Ian. But the second time during Holly's photoshoot? That's odd. All her past possible actions suggest she should be able to kiss Holly in that situation especially if you pursue the "Lena is spontaneous" angle when it comes to her inconsistencies.
I think she was able to kiss Holly the first time around but there was a lot of community backlash of how much of a hypocrite Lena is for her to be angry with Ian when it comes to Holly only then for her to do the same. So Eva Kiss changed it and made it not possible for Lena to kiss Holly if either is dating Ian. But I don't think she shouldn't be able to kiss Holly when they are on photoshoot, especially if Lena already has a history of cheating.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Dunno. If hurting feelings is what she is avoiding then I don't think she would cheating with Jeremy even though she been friends with Louise for a long time and is her roommate. Same goes for Mike who she knows already has a girlfriend. It is weird that she suddenly becomes goody two shoes when it comes to Holly. I think it is fine if she resisted kissing Holly the first time if she or Holly is dating with Ian. But the second time during Holly's photoshoot? That's odd. All her past possible actions suggest she should be able to kiss Holly in that situation especially if you pursue the "Lena is spontaneous" angle when it comes to her inconsistencies.
I think she was able to kiss Holly the first time around but there was a lot of community backlash of how much of a hypocrite Lena is for her to be angry with Ian when it comes to Holly only then for her to do the same. So Eva Kiss changed it and made it not possible for Lena to kiss Holly if either is dating Ian. But I don't think she shouldn't be able to kiss Holly when they are on photoshoot, especially if Lena already has a history of cheating.

In my opinion, Lena being hypocritical and/or inconsistent is a deliberate character flaw. Her making excuses for her actions just emphasizes it even more.

 

[Nifferman]

Dunno. If hurting feelings is what she is avoiding then I don't think she would cheating with Jeremy even though she been friends with Louise for a long time and is her roommate. Same goes for Mike who she knows already has a girlfriend. It is weird that she suddenly becomes goody two shoes when it comes to Holly. I think it is fine if she resisted kissing Holly the first time if she or Holly is dating with Ian. But the second time during Holly's photoshoot? That's odd. All her past possible actions suggest she should be able to kiss Holly in that situation especially if you pursue the "Lena is spontaneous" angle when it comes to her inconsistencies.
I think she was able to kiss Holly the first time around but there was a lot of community backlash of how much of a hypocrite Lena is for her to be angry with Ian when it comes to Holly only then for her to do the same. So Eva Kiss changed it and made it not possible for Lena to kiss Holly if either is dating Ian. But I don't think she shouldn't be able to kiss Holly when they are on photoshoot, especially if Lena already has a history of cheating.

Lena is flawed. maybe seeing ian and holly together while ian is romantic towards her maybe a trigger for her . Since she has been cheated on before

 

[kjj308]

Me too. Hope stan will get something in this update

Me too, like run over by a bus or something...

While Lena x Stan would definitely happen, Ch. 11 is too early for that. Even if it does, they won't go all the way to 3rd base.

Yah, Stan needs a whole lot of cleaning up and getting himself into shape before he comes anywhere close to being deserving of any of the main girls in this game...