VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[SerHawkes]

I don't see how that discounts love though. I think it looks pretty obvious she's loved him since at least high school. With her recently breaking up and being in a tough spot in life I don't fault her for finally saying fuck it and making a move. She didn't do it creepily or blackmail him or anything I don't think. I do agree with you on her using the Gillian situation and Ian being in a vulnerable state to make her move though. I think that's out of desperation. All in all though I don't think Alison is a bad person

Nether do I, though I do see her being obsessed with Ian to the point that we will either: Ian/RO getting stabbed, set place on fire, or Alison drugging us, taking her to her place, forcing herself on Ian's dick just to get a baby out of him since, despite the dumbassery claiming that Jeremy's creamed her when all evidence points otherwise.

Honestly, I don't give her any attention to her since she hooks up with Jerermy then tries to crawl to us in hopes we show attention to her. Like truly, why would I want to be the second person you want to fuck when you and Jeremy are hooking up? If I don't show interest or simply say 'She's a friend' then leave it at that. But no, she used our vulnerable state with Gillian's return to seduce us, specially when its possible we are starting something with Lena or Holly.

I hope we are given a chance to call her out on that and tell her off after that. Uncalled for and unwarranted. She needs to get it, I'm fine being a friend and a venting post, but I'm NOT FUCKING Interested in her sexually.

 

[SerHawkes]

Nah that's more Axel or Louise and Alison is no where near like those two

Clearly you haven't played Acting Lessons... You have my sympathies...

 

[ffive]

Honestly, I don't give her any attention to her since she hooks up with Jerermy then tries to crawl to us in hopes we show attention to her. Like truly, why would I want to be the second person you want to fuck when you and Jeremy are hooking up?

But why is it a problem with Alison, but not with say, Ivy? Because it's not like Ivy is a virgin who hasn't gotten laid once in these months the game has been talking place. Similarly other girls in the game are fucking other guys -- Cindy has her boyfriend, Minerva has her husband, Emma has her hookups, Lena can fuck literally half of the town. Somehow it doesn't make these characters less appealing, but Alison? "ohh she's crazy and has Jeremy's cooties, eeew". It's rather silly in its pickiness.

 

[KurtPitt]

Will Chapter 11 full release feature more scenes compared to alpha and beta?

 

[MF_DOOM]

Eh I never had any trouble beating her, but I guess it depends on how whimpy you make your Ian

IT doesnt matter, she gives Ian a hard time at the start, after that if he is strong enough he can shake her off and lock her in a choke. I guess Axel is going to be way stronger/

 

[SerHawkes]

But why is it a problem with Alison, but not with say, Ivy? Because it's not like Ivy is a virgin who hasn't gotten laid once in these months the game has been talking place. Similarly other girls in the game are fucking other guys -- Cindy has her boyfriend, Minerva has her husband, Emma has her hookups, Lena can fuck literally half of the town. Somehow it doesn't make these characters less appealing, but Alison? "ohh she's crazy and has Jeremy's cooties, eeew". It's rather silly in its pickiness.

Because unlike Ivy, who has only slept with Lena so far, and Holly, Alison is likely crazy and likely isn't going to take rejection that well. And it's a matter of context.

Cindy has Wade. So what. I'm not chasing her just to break there relationship or sleep with her, like most people. Plus she's average in appeal.
Minerva has Limp Dick Husband. Why would I want to chase after a bitch who treated us like trash just because she was interested in us to satisfy her sexual need? Hard pass.
Emma and past relations. So what? Do her hook ups show up or are mentioned entirely? No, unless you send her off to Jeremy.
Lena and the town is entirely not the town more like a handful of people, which is entirely of the players choice.

 

[SerHawkes]

Will Chapter 11 full release feature more scenes compared to alpha and beta?

There could a scene or two added, though never sure.

 

[KurtPitt]

There could a scene or two added, though never sure.

Thanks, hoped for more

 

[ffive]

Because unlike Ivy, who has only slept with Lena so far, and Holly, Alison is likely crazy and likely isn't going to take rejection that well. And it's a matter of context.

Well, we know Ivy has also given Jeremy blowjob or handjob depending on the timeline, and she's now apparently considering going further with him, and asking Ian's input on that. You're also fooling yourself she isn't having sex with other people that we don't get to hear about. And she will set the relationship with Ian to neutral if he doesn't hit on her when she's being flirty with him. So, who here really can't handle rejection well? Not just Alison, evidently.

 

[fatpussy123]

IT doesnt matter, she gives Ian a hard time at the start, after that if he is strong enough he can shake her off and lock her in a choke. I guess Axel is going to be way stronger/

It's a difference on how we view the fights in ORS. To me it's obvious Eva implemented a fighting mechanic so we could at some point beat up the male competition.

Jeremy is a friendly rival and can have sex with Alison, Lena, Emma, and Louise, probably eventually Ivy as well, and will be beaten up at the martial arts tournament. It's also built up by the fact that as it is now we can't beat him, but can perform better or worse depending on how much time we spent training.

Axel on the other hand is the unfriendly rival, he can have sex with Lena, he has had sex with Cherry, he is constantly hounding Cindy, he mingle quite a bit with Ivy, and Alison and Emma both cream themselves when they see him. It's clear he is also a threat to Ian's sexual exploits. A fight with him is also set up, he gets pissy when he finds out about Ian and Lena dating, gets snarky with Ian at the Cindy photoshoot, and actually tries to push Ian at the club in chapter 10. His fight will clearly be settled outside of the ring and will probably happen after he makes a final attempt for Lenas attention or Ian finds out Axel has been banging Lena while he's dating her.

The idea that these two won't get beat up when the time is right is absurd to me. Both of them are presented as being high walls for Ian to climb, but if he can't climb said walls, why include the martial arts system in the first place?

 

[ffive]

There's also Mike Gillian's boyfriend that Ian might want to beat up at some point.

Incidentally, going by the comments in the script, apparently Eva is considering turning the poledancing in Ch.11 (and maybe later in the game, i'd guess -- there's possibility Lena's work at the club goes places) into a minigame.

edit: oh, and then there's also Wade who's likely to find out about Cindy/Ian and unwilling to take that without a literal fight.

 

[KarateChop166]

But why is it a problem with Alison, but not with say, Ivy? Because it's not like Ivy is a virgin who hasn't gotten laid once in these months the game has been talking place. Similarly other girls in the game are fucking other guys -- Cindy has her boyfriend, Minerva has her husband, Emma has her hookups, Lena can fuck literally half of the town. Somehow it doesn't make these characters less appealing, but Alison? "ohh she's crazy and has Jeremy's cooties, eeew". It's rather silly in its pickiness.

It's context. When we, the players, first "meet" Allison it's pretty clear SHE likes IAN and wants a relationship with him. Ian isn't pursuing her at all so the pace of the relationship (at least at the start) is kind of on her. The problem I have with Allison (if I'm doing a playthrough where I don't want Ian to be cheated on) is that as soon as Ian doesn't give her attention, she immediately goes and fucks someone else. That isn't love. That's trifflin.

Ivy pretty much openly admits to being a bad bitch sex queen. The appeal to her is that you're "cool" enough to bag her. For people who like Cindy the appeal is similar: she's sexy and demanding, and her boyfriend sucks, so you "win" her over. Emma literally starts as a casual thing that you both promise to keep secret. Lena fucks whoever YOU choose for her to fuck, so whatever happens with her is on the player.

Allison is presented as the girl that got away in HS that has finally admitted she really likes you. I think the hate she gets (which I don't necessarily share) is based on that context, and that you MUST be totally devoted to her path or she IMMEDIATELY starts fucking other people.

 

[fatpussy123]

There's also Mike Gillian's boyfriend that Ian might want to beat up at some point.

Incidentally, going by the comments in the script, apparently Eva is considering turning the poledancing in Ch.11 (and maybe later in the game, i'd guess -- there's possibility Lena's work at the club goes places) into a minigame.

edit: oh, and then there's also Wade who's likely to find out about Cindy/Ian and unwilling to take that without a literal fight.

Ian vs Wade

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[fatpussy123]

There's also Mike Gillian's boyfriend that Ian might want to beat up at some point.

Incidentally, going by the comments in the script, apparently Eva is considering turning the poledancing in Ch.11 (and maybe later in the game, i'd guess -- there's possibility Lena's work at the club goes places) into a minigame.

edit: oh, and then there's also Wade who's likely to find out about Cindy/Ian and unwilling to take that without a literal fight.

About the poledancing, makes sense. Ivy invited Lena to work at the club and corrupted Holly can also be at that scene. Where else to payoff the Lena and Holly pole training. Though I was thinking eventually Holly would model/show her modelling on the Ian-Holly path along with poledancing for him.

 

[ffive]

It's context. When we, the players, first "meet" Allison it's pretty clear SHE likes IAN and wants a relationship with him. Ian isn't pursuing her at all so the pace of the relationship (at least at the start) is kind of on her. The problem I have with Allison (if I'm doing a playthrough where I don't want Ian to be cheated on) is that as soon as Ian doesn't give her attention, she immediately goes and fucks someone else. That isn't love. That's trifflin.

I'm getting impression that what people get upset with Alison over is that, if they don't return Alison's affections they expect her to sit in a corner sobbing all alone until they maybe change their mind after they fuck everyone else available to them. But instead she just shrugs it off and goes to have fun with a guy who actually bothers to hit on her and how dares she.

In other words, that it's fine if they "fuck other people" before Alison, but if it's Alison who fucks some other guy before Ian gets to stick it in? Perish the thought and cue complaints about cheating, cucking and whathaveyou.

Just because Alison has feelings for Ian doesn't mean she's not allowed to have some casual sex when she's single and the guy she has crush on turns her down. It doesn't mean she doesn't love him. Merely that she doesn't obsess over it as much as some people claim she does.

 

[Virux]

Is there Beta version for Mac?

 

[nevt2050ptr]

I'm getting impression that what people get upset with Alison over is that, if they don't return Alison's affections they expect her to sit in a corner sobbing all alone until they maybe change their mind after they fuck everyone else available to them. But instead she just shrugs it off and goes to have fun with a guy who actually bothers to hit on her and how dares she.

In other words, that it's fine if they "fuck other people" before Alison, but if it's Alison who fucks some other guy before Ian gets to stick it in? Perish the thought and cue complaints about cheating, cucking and whathaveyou.

Just because Alison has feelings for Ian doesn't mean she's not allowed to have some casual sex when she's single and the guy she has crush on turns her down. It doesn't mean she doesn't love him. Merely that she doesn't obsess over it as much as some people claim she does.

Women having casual sex when they are single. What is this, some sc-fi setting ?

 

[KarateChop166]

I'm getting impression that what people get upset with Alison over is that, if they don't return Alison's affections they expect her to sit in a corner sobbing all alone until they maybe change their mind after they fuck everyone else available to them. But instead she just shrugs it off and goes to have fun with a guy who actually bothers to hit on her and how dares she.

In other words, that it's fine if they "fuck other people" before Alison, but if it's Alison who fucks some other guy before Ian gets to stick it in? Perish the thought and cue complaints about cheating, cucking and whathaveyou.

Just because Alison has feelings for Ian doesn't mean she's not allowed to have some casual sex when she's single and the guy she has crush on turns her down. It doesn't mean she doesn't love him. Merely that she doesn't obsess over it as much as some people claim she does.

I get what you're saying, and I realize this is a porn game and it's not at all realistic, however I get enjoyment out of these games by trying to make choices I feel I would make in real life given the context of the situation (at least on my first playthrough).

Allison is textbook "If you don't give me what I want I'll find it somewhere else" toxicity, which is far more realistic and common than most of the other tropes in this game. It's interesting to note that you only really see this if you fail (even once) to give her attention. If you cancel all your previous plans and give her the attention she demands, it appears she's really into Ian and they are star-crossed lovers. The minute you do something else, she breaks open her side-dick (your best friend, btw) and you get graced with photos of her tiddy-fucking Jeremy. Like...let's be real here, I know y'all weren't "technically" dating, but there's a certain amount of expectation when you're in a sexual relationship with someone who has confessed they have always had a crush on you. Being denied a date and then fucking that person's best friend less than 24 hours later is absolute ho behavior. I don't hate Allison, but she is definately for the streets. LOL

 

[SerHawkes]

I'm getting impression that what people get upset with Alison over is that, if they don't return Alison's affections they expect her to sit in a corner sobbing all alone until they maybe change their mind after they fuck everyone else available to them. But instead she just shrugs it off and goes to have fun with a guy who actually bothers to hit on her and how dares she.

In other words, that it's fine if they "fuck other people" before Alison, but if it's Alison who fucks some other guy before Ian gets to stick it in? Perish the thought and cue complaints about cheating, cucking and whathaveyou.

Just because Alison has feelings for Ian doesn't mean she's not allowed to have some casual sex when she's single and the guy she has crush on turns her down. It doesn't mean she doesn't love him. Merely that she doesn't obsess over it as much as some people claim she does.

Ian:Alison? I only see her as a friend.
-Alison sleeps with Jeremy-
Alison: I'm holding out hope for the 'One'.
Ian: Still see you as a friend.
-Alison sleeps with Jeremy, Billy-
Alison: Ian, why don't you come over and talk about Gillian?
Ian: Sure.
-Goes to her place, intending to talk about Gillian-
Alison: FUCK ME NOAW IAN!
Ian: What part of friends do you not underfuckingstand?

Hmmm... I wonder why people aren't fans of her... What could possibly be the reasoning there... Must be a great mystery indeed.

 

[ffive]

Ian:Alison? I only see her as a friend.
-Alison sleeps with Jeremy-
Alison: I'm holding out hope for the 'One'.
Ian: Still see you as a friend.
-Alison sleeps with Jeremy, Billy-
Alison: Ian, why don't you come over and talk about Gillian?
Ian: Sure.
-Goes to her place, intending to talk about Gillian-
Alison: FUCK ME NOAW IAN!
Ian: What part of friends do you not underfuckingstand?

Hmmm... I wonder why people aren't fans of her... What could possibly be the reasoning there... Must be a great mystery indeed.

Considering you've decided to devote large part of that breakdown to the fact "Alison sleeps with Jeremy" it seems to basically confirm my impression you've quoted? I.e. that it plays a significant role in that dislike. Otherwise, if it was just about Alison hitting on MC there would be zero reason to bring that aspect up.