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Go outside, throw a rock into a crowd, and you'll probably find any number of people who's insecurities are stronger than their love for their partner. You'll probably also hit any number of people who have also reasoned themselves into doing the dumbest things possible. A lot of relationships end from self-sabotage, whether intentional or unintentional, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time that someone inexperienced and insecure fell into the wrong crowd, took the wrong advice and ended up making a mistake.

Because sure, it could push her towards the sharing route, but that's not the only reaction that an insecure person could possibly have. And to be clear, I didn't suggest that this was something she should come up with on her own, but something that should be influenced by corrupting Holly through a slutty Lena and Ivy. Like I said above, wrong crowd, bad advice. No matter how many books she's read, she doesn't have the real life experience to back it up and Ivy and Lena clearly have a lot of experience. It's not hard to fall into the mind trap of thinking they might know more about this than she does, even if they're corrupting her for their own enjoyment, rather than thinking of her or Ian's well-being.

If Holly is going to be this mary sue character who can do no wrong, who always makes good decisions, even if she's surrounded herself with people making bad decisions and trying to influence her, that's boring and not realistic either. Having a boyfriend shouldn't make her suddenly impervious to manipulation and corruption.
What kind of valuable relationship experience do Ivy and Lena have that Holly doesn't? Ivy despises relationships outright and she can't give a rat's ass about mentoring Holly how to be a better girlfriend, only a better sexual partner (and only by being a slut). And Lena, if she's not dating Ian, is in the same boat and her boyfriend cheated on her so she doesn't know how to build a successful relationship either. Their advice regarding relationships means nothing to Holly. They can only help her feel confident and attractive if that's what Holly needs above anything. But for now that's not Holly's priority if she's with Ian. She simply wants Ian to love her and consider her as a serious romantic partner. She doesn't even have problems satisfying him in bed anymore.

I'm not saying that Holly is impervious to corruption. But her satisfaction with her current situation is what determines her resistance or vulnerability to it. That's how all people's minds work. We can't be bothered to do something without incentive (or strong intrinsic motivation). She might want to change if Ian acts cold towards her or doesn't reciprocate her feelings fully (which includes him fucking other chicks) or if Holly simply falls in love with Lena. That doesn't make Holly Mary Sue, it simply means that she prioritises some things over others. She's a people pleaser. Even her corruption is explained by her desire to impress Lena or Ivy. Lena and Ivy can corrupt Holly if Ian rejected her advances, making her feel inadequate. If he shuts her off while they're together, she might start feeling like this again and be more open to Lena's or Ivy's influence.

Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances. This way she already is open to having multiple sex partners and can prioritize Ivy's advice above anything else, even if she becomes Ian's girlfriend in the future. Same outcome, no?

But I've already made my peace with the fact that it was a glitch and it's not a path that Eva seems to want to explore. It's disappointing because it's an interesting way to add corruption and have the decisions of the player on both Ian and Lena's paths come together to have an effect, but it is what it is, and there's plenty of other paths in the game that I'll enjoy with or without it.
You're saying about the decisions as BOTH Ian and Lena. If so, why should Lena's agency be prioritized over Ian's exactly? Why should she have the power to constantly undo or sabotage Ian's decisions, but not vice versa? They're both main characters and should have equal agency. If you want to NTR Ian, don't make him act like the best boyfriend on the planet. Holly is very easy to impress and keep satisfied.

And just because she can't cheat while in a happy relationship with Ian doesn't mean she won't be corrupted. She can already pose for nude photo shoots for Lena, maybe she can be persuaded to start a Stalkfap to combat her shyness, and Ian, if he's a voyeur, could support this idea and encourage Holly to work on her confidence even if it ends up biting him in the ass (making Holly too excited and eager to try new things). I say just be more patient and wait for the story to be developed further so that we could have more opportunities to not only sabotage the current relationships but also make them more exciting.
 
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My man, wait for the "final" chapter 11 version. I bet you when you get this beta version, you'll be screaming for a final the second it gets release. Just wait. I too want to jerk off mobile-ly but only when its finish. You don't wanna download/install/uninstall/repeat EVERY apk for every little version.
 

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Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances. This way she already is open to having multiple sex partners and can prioritize Ivy's advice above anything else, even if she becomes Ian's girlfriend in the future. Same outcome, no?
and how dose it look like is their already a path for this?? do I have to sleep with holly at the hotel and say its only a one time thing because he is still in love with his ex gillian?? and than holly still sees ian?? or how do I get on this path that ian falls in love with holly if its already to late and ivy got too much under her skin and is on her way to be gillian to in her mind this would be what ian want right?? holly tries exactly to be like ian ex would fit her personalitie


And just because she can't cheat while in a happy relationship with Ian doesn't mean she won't be corrupted. She can already pose for nude photo shoots for Lena, maybe she can be persuaded to start a Stalkfap to combat her shyness, and Ian, if he's a voyeur, could support this idea and encourage Holly to work on her confidence even if it ends up biting him in the ass (making Holly too excited and eager to try new things). I say just be more patient and wait for the story to be developed further so that we could have more opportunities to not only sabotage the current relationships but also make them more exciting.
yeah but the thing that scares me is that holly goes like lena and ivy does nude shots ,stalkfap and becomes more (corrupt),deepthroat is a sexgod like she sleeped with 50 guys without having any experince at all but than still is the super marry sue girlfriend which would also make zero sens

and I am really interested to see future interactions on the corruption path with holly ,lena(slutty/mean) ivy I see zero problems if they go on partys ,drugs billy .....

but if lena and ivy are slutty/mean and lena takes holly with them but she is marry sue how will this work in the future because holly and lena path seem always connected which eachother.

do they cut holly off at some point in the future if holly is too (good)
 

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and I am really interested to see future interactions on the corruption path with holly ,lena(slutty/mean) ivy I see zero problems if they go on partys ,drugs billy ..... do they cut holly off at some point in the future if holly is too (good)
Why would they cut Holly off just because she doesn't want to participate in their promiscuous activities? There are close female friends where some might be in a relationship and loyal, some might do Onlyfans, some might be sleeping around with multiple guys and they can all respect each other's life choices. It doesn't mean they don't have other common interests suddenly and can't be friends. And Holly is never judgmental like Louise, she lets Lena and Ivy do whatever they want, even if she herself doesn't necessarily want to follow their example.

You seem to have a weird idea about how friendships work. It's never just about their views on sex. Lena, regardless of her slut status, likes Holly's company and enjoys having her around when she writes a song. Or when they talk about Holly's books or mutual hobbies. Or Lena's personal struggles with family, etc. Even Ivy is not focused on ONLY sex, she also has modeling aspirations and generally likes money, is a training coach (can give Holly advice on diet and help her exercise better). People are more complex than you think. Even Bad Jess (the sluttiest of them all) has a heart of gold and artistic sensibilities and doesn't mind some friendly interactions with Ian.
 
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Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances.
Not necessarily? People can get corrupted after entering a relationship with people who love them very much, and they love very much. You don’t need to be corrupted beforehand

Youre right about the incentives though. But incentives can be emotional. It could be something as simple as Holly getting turned on from a porno or video she watched of Ivy or Lena fucking. It could be curiosity that gets triggered due to a lack of experience.

By your logic, you should expect practically every conservative virgin woman to be loyal for the rest of their life.

That’s simply not how things are. Contrary to popular belief, I do think it’s very much possible for even a “pure virgin” to cheat. The likelihood isn’t 0%.
 

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Not necessarily? People can get corrupted after entering a relationship with people who love them very much, and they love very much. You don’t need to be corrupted beforehand

Youre right about the incentives though. But incentives can be emotional. It could be something as simple as Holly getting turned on from a porno or video she watched of Ivy or Lena fucking. It could be curiosity that gets triggered due to a lack of experience.

By your logic, you should expect practically every conservative virgin woman to be loyal for the rest of their life.

That’s simply not how things are. Contrary to popular belief, I do think it’s very much possible for even a “pure virgin” to cheat. The likelihood isn’t 0%.
It's just about what's practical to make for the game. Yes in real life people can cheat after previously being faithful, even someone like Holly. But for the character of Holly, I imagine most don't want her to cheat on Ian in their playthroughs and making a subdivision of her relationship where she cheats, but it doesn't feel out of nowhere and players who don't want that kind of content don't see it is very complicated. Why would Eva waste time on writing this complex scenario, where most players don't want to see it and most would see the route as character assassination. The much simpler solution would be for the relationship to be rocky already because it started late while Holly was already corrupted. This way most players who don't want to see that stuff wouldn't because they'd be on the early Holly relationship path and writing and already corrupted Holly cheating would be easier. All that would be needed then is to further strain the relationship, rather than have a story that does a complete 180
 

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Not necessarily? People can get corrupted after entering a relationship with people who love them very much, and they love very much. You don’t need to be corrupted beforehand

Youre right about the incentives though. But incentives can be emotional. It could be something as simple as Holly getting turned on from a porno or video she watched of Ivy or Lena fucking. It could be curiosity that gets triggered due to a lack of experience.

By your logic, you should expect practically every conservative virgin woman to be loyal for the rest of their life.

That’s simply not how things are. Contrary to popular belief, I do think it’s very much possible for even a “pure virgin” to cheat. The likelihood isn’t 0%.
Of course, nothing is confirmed and things can develop unpredictably (Lena making Holly join her and Ivy in the showers was one such surprise). The key word is "sure way", not the "only way". The sure way because it's already in the cards and is hinted at: Holly gets corrupted first, and then if Ian is single and she didn't fall in love with Lena, she openly flirts with Ian, promising the things to come if he doesn't reject her in the future chapters.

Another confirmed development is Holly getting cold feet if Ian brushed her off and she developed feelings for Lena. That branch could lead to the trinity, but it can also lead to Lena stealing Holly away from Ian if he doesn't prevent that or it can just be a casual sexual relationship where Holly is free to play around with other guys / girls as well as Ian and Lena. To me that reads as corruption potential, but maybe not to others since they're not a couple in this branch, only friends with benefits.

Anything else is speculation at this point and wishful thinking. Ian acting cold with Holly might have consequences and open an opportunity for Lena to convince Holly to cheat, but for now it's unlikely because she did tell Ian that she'll wait until he's ready to open up. That COULD be a set up for drama where Lena-Ivy use that opportunity to prey on Holly's insecurity and lead her astray, but we shouldn't expect it from the game, else we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.

But expecting that Ian will get cucked in a good relationship with Holly just because Lena might try to sabotage their relationship is just unreasonable because it will destroy Ian's own agency and will make him a secondary character to Lena. That's just not a good look for a dual-protagonist game. Now, if it was GGGB 2 with occasionally playable Ian then anything would be possible because Lena's agency would take priority with a guaranteed outcome. IIRC Eva wanted to include the sections where the player could play as Eric while in Somalia but couldn't find a way to implement it into the game. But in ORS Ian and Lena have equal agency because they're both main playable characters. If they don't have equal agency, then something is wrong.

And as fatpussy mentioned, there is a practical factor to consider which is ever-increasing amount of plot-points which are harder to follow. Eva wants to make things easier for herself, not harder. Holly already has more branches than any other character, with Alison coming close second. So I would expect several big paths with huge differences but not many "intermediate" paths. For example, the late Holly path I imagine wouldn't be as developed as the currently available Holly path, if late Louise or late Ian-Lena are anything to go by.
 

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So to sum this conversation up. ORS is really just the Dark Knight. Ian and Lena are fighting for the soul of ORS, Holly, much like Batman and Joker were fighting for the soul of Gotham City, Harvey Dent.
 

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So to sum this conversation up. ORS is really just the Dark Knight. Ian and Lena are fighting for the soul of ORS, Holly, much like Batman and Joker were fighting for the soul of Gotham City, Harvey Dent.
So, Lena is going to wind up in prison and Ian will ultimately bugger off with Catwoman Ivy?
 

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Why would they cut Holly off just because she doesn't want to participate in their promiscuous activities? There are close female friends where some might be in a relationship and loyal, some might do Onlyfans, some might be sleeping around with multiple guys and they can all respect each other's life choices. It doesn't mean they don't have other common interests suddenly and can't be friends. And Holly is never judgmental like Louise, she lets Lena and Ivy do whatever they want, even if she herself doesn't necessarily want to follow their example.

You seem to have a weird idea about how friendships work. It's never just about their views on sex. Lena, regardless of her slut status, likes Holly's company and enjoys having her around when she writes a song. Or when they talk about Holly's books or mutual hobbies. Or Lena's personal struggles with family, etc. Even Ivy is not focused on ONLY sex, she also has modeling aspirations and generally likes money, is a training coach (can give Holly advice on diet and help her exercise better). People are more complex than you think. Even Bad Jess (the sluttiest of them all) has a heart of gold and artistic sensibilities and doesn't mind some friendly interactions with Ian.
I mean you can shape lena and ofc if lena focus on her music/artist site and be a good girl I see no problem with good holly and lena interactions at all that they talk about ian relatioships,books...............

but if lena goes down the slutty/mean route ivy never like stuck up poeple so standart holly should seem pretty boring to her thats just ivys personality I mean sure ivy like holly if she can watch her (grow) and teach her things and corrupt her but for ivy to hang around standart holly I am sorry but that makes zero sens for me

and my guess is that lena can go down the slutty/mean path kick dogs,steal money .... and in the future my guess would be work for billy with ivy ,do more drugs , work in the club with ivy and many more things....I really see no reason how this typ of lena and ivy would love to have philosophical discussions with holly or talk about books or her boring relationship with ian were ivy would fall asleep I just dont see it


this is still one of the main reason why i think making holly always hang out with slutty lena and ivy and make her immune in a realationship to corruption is a mistake and will be weird if in the future on SOME paths if holly is always connected with lena which seems like it AT THE MOMENT I only think that corrupted holly would make sens to hang around slutty lena and ivy especially if they do more things in the future

and I think lena should choose between artist or corruption(stalkfap,strip at bar...) same with ian maa fighter or book author because it will be weird for lena/ian to have some split personalitie monologbecause it seems like both path will go in opposite direction so I dont understand why lena and ian dont have to choose between their career and do both?? :unsure: :unsure:
 
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I really see no reason how this typ of lena and ivy would love to have philosophical discussions with holly or talk about books or her boring relationship with ian were ivy would fall asleep I just dont see it
Since when is liking sex or doing drugs and liking philosophical discussions or fantasy books mutually exclusive? How many people do you know who are so shallow they are reduced to single trait or interest, like some cardboard cutout?

If you really can't imagine people being more rounded than that then... i'm sorry i guess. Try to maybe expand your horizons a little, and i mean it as a honest advice. You're doing yourself a disservice if this is how you approach relationships.
 
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Since when is liking sex or doing drugs and liking philosophical discussions or fantasy books mutually exclusive? How many people do you know who are so shallow they are reduced to single trait or interest, like some cardboard cutout?

If you really can't imagine people being more rounded than that then... i'm sorry i guess. Try to maybe expand your horizons a little, and i mean it as a honest advice. You're doing yourself a disservice if this is how you approach relationships.
the difference is we are talking about a VIDEOGAME and a dev that has limited time so shallow down path like good girl gone bad (I like ors overall better and I like the cheracters more in ors so dont get me wrong I LOVE holly,cindy,alison,gillian way more) but gggb did this thing better with different kind of path you had less split personaltie for example steal with lena,kick dog,cheat,make fun with ivy about minvera and all this mean girl stuff and play her more like a highschool bully and than have moral monologe/and i need to repsect ian and holly and cant corrupt her with that typ of lena meh dosent make sens to me

so in this in my OPINION gggb was better with shallow path it was more cliche YES but it made more sens and was probably more easy for eva to handel

you are right in real life people are more COMPLEX but this is still a videogame so I dont thing its a bad idea to have this different path and friendships that are tied to cliche personalties (good lena ,bully/slutty lena,....)
 
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the difference is we are talking about a VIDEOGAME and a dev that has limited time so shallow down path like good girl gone bad (I like ors overall better and I like the cheracters more in ors so dont get me wrong I LOVE holly,cindy,alison,gillian way more) but gggb did this thing better with different kind of path you had less split personaltie for example steal with lena,kick dog,cheat,make fun with ivy about minvera and all this mean girl stuff and play her more like a highschool bully and than have moral monologe/and i need to repsect ian and holly and cant corrupt her with that typ of lena meh dosent make sens to me

so in this in my OPINION gggb was better with shallow path it was more cliche YES but it made more sens and was probably more easy for eva to handel

you are right in real life people are more COMPLEX but this is still a videogame so I dont thing its a bad idea to have this different path and friendships that are tied to cliche personalties (good lena ,bully/slutty lena,....)
ORS and GGGB are telling two completely different stories though. GGGB was basically as the title read, a good girl going bad, and cut out all of the fat to that end. ORS is the story of how all these people's lives are intertwined and how each and every one of them influences the other. Obviously Ian and Lena are our two protagonists, but it's not difficult for Ian to be influenced by the likes of Cindy or Jeremy, the two primary instigators for change in his life, and he in turn can influence them, which then causes a feedback loop and influences how they interact with Wade, Axel, Ivy, or Allison.

ORS by the very nature of it's story, needs to have more nuanced characters, than the much more archetypical characters from GGGB. And I feel like in both this thread and GGGB thread when I discuss these two games with you, I end up stressing that ORS is not a compete game. We don't know where the story is going, Holly could very well go down the path you're asking for, we don't know. But it isn't out of this world to think if Ian is being a good and loving boyfriend to Holly, than the more corruptive influences of Ivy and Lena would take longer to be reflected in Holly.

And if you like GGGB more that's fine, that's your opinion, you're allowed to have it. There are plenty of games that have exactly what GGGB does, that can be played. But again ORS is something completely different to GGGB, and cannot be fairly compared to each other, especially when one of them is still a work in progress.
 

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but if lena goes down the slutty/mean route ivy never like stuck up poeple so standart holly should seem pretty boring to her thats just ivys personality I mean sure ivy like holly if she can watch her (grow) and teach her things and corrupt her but for ivy to hang around standart holly I am sorry but that makes zero sens for me

and my guess is that lena can go down the slutty/mean path kick dogs,steal money .... and in the future my guess would be work for billy with ivy ,do more drugs , work in the club with ivy and many more things....I really see no reason how this typ of lena and ivy would love to have philosophical discussions with holly or talk about books or her boring relationship with ian were ivy would fall asleep I just dont see it
If you base your take of their friendship strictly on Ivy's lifestyle, then by your logic, shouldn't she find not-slutty Lena who is in love with Ian boring as well? Why does she keep asking her out to hang out and stuff if she knows that this type of Lena will never agree with her on her attempts to manipulate people or fuck without concern for anybody? Maybe because Ivy feels lonely and simply likes Lena's company, regardless of whether Lena does her bidding or not? She likes being friends with Lena period, she doesn't make condition for their friendship. She doesn't get mad at Lena for anything, not for refusing to see Axel, not for protecting Holly, not for dating Ian, not even for lezzing out with Louise. Relationship drops are always minimal and don't really affect their day-to-day interactions.

If she can hang out with "boring" Lena, then she can tolerate "boring" Holly's company, too, simply because she's Lena's friend. She even tolerated Louise when she was brought over, and she hates Louise.

If you can't understand why slutty Lena would keep hanging out with "boring" Holly, then she doesn't drop her hobbies simply because of her love for sex and kinks. She's still a songwriter, she's still a book reader, canonically, on any path, regardless of your influence. Because it has always been her passion, but one she denied herself for more accessible endeavors (easy to work as a model, hard to make a career as a singer). So, no matter what you do, she'll always have things in common with Holly, even if they're very different. Besides, they still share Ian as their mutual friend. Even if they broke up, they don't just stop talking to each other. Ivy is not the only person in Lena's life.

the difference is we are talking about a VIDEOGAME and a dev that has limited time so shallow down path like good girl gone bad (I like ors overall better and I like the cheracters more in ors so dont get me wrong I LOVE holly,cindy,alison,gillian way more) but gggb did this thing better with different kind of path you had less split personaltie for example steal with lena,kick dog,cheat,make fun with ivy about minvera and all this mean girl stuff and play her more like a highschool bully and than have moral monologe/and i need to repsect ian and holly and cant corrupt her with that typ of lena meh dosent make sens to me
I can give you this, that there are, in fact, inconsistencies with Lena's personality. It has to do with the lack of morality tracking. There are no Good / Bad points. In GGGB, the whole game was built on that mechanic so she couldn't choose to do bad things without having some bad karma or vice versa, if she fell too deep, some of the selfless / caring / moralizing actions were inaccessible to her. However, it still wasn't perfect, because some good / bad bonuses were arbitrary, there wasn't room for grey actions. However, even in GGGB the game only locked you into 4 separate paths very late in the game (Good/ Slut / Thug / Bimbo). Until then, you could do pretty much whatever you wanted, sleep with whomever you wanted, date whoever you wanted, pick any career (work in office while modeling and camming at the same time) etc.

But in my opinion, it's not that GGGB was done better, it's just some of Lena's parts have bad writing for the old time's sake. Sometimes, Eva includes bad choices like kicking a dog for nothing else but shits and giggles. That doesn't do anything for Lena's character (no way to track the morality of that action), it only drops her friendship with Emma a bit. And that kind of approach just doesn't fit a more serious and more complex narrative of ORS. I imagine that Agenda points were introduced into the game as a replacement for Good / Bad points; They should control whether Ian or Lena can do shitty / noble actions with other characters based on whether they were good friends or bad friends. But this system ended up being too complicated, so in the later chapters it feels more like an after-thought. And on top of it, sometimes you can do shitty things without NPC knowing about it, so their relationship level can't be used to reliably filter Ian or Lena's available actions. Instead, _disposition variables were introduced which really function the same way as Agenda should.

That said, I don't think locking Ian / Lena into distinct paths (whether career based or stat based) is a way to go. Personally, I would just expand on ian_chad / lena_posh variables and introduce maybe ian_bad and lena_bad to track especially bad actions that Ian or Lena can do. Like, treating characters like shit, betraying friends, cheating, breaking the law and other obviously bad actions should contribute to that score, and then some actions could be locked behind this _bad variable or the dialogue could simply differ based on their current morality, just like with Good / Bad Jess. Without it, there are going to be double standards and hypocritical actions / dialogues.
 

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you are right in real life people are more COMPLEX but this is still a videogame so I dont thing its a bad idea to have this different path and friendships that are tied to cliche personalties (good lena ,bully/slutty lena,....)
This is for sure an option one could take, but i'd have to disagree whether this would be a good choice -- simply because porn games with cliched and stock personalities (or lack thereof) are already dime a dozen. So imo it'd benefit ORS to push the envelope here, if just a bit; similar to how it does so with both art and the narrative.

When i play videogames, it's so i can be entertained. And having a dumbed down cast that makes me hold my hands more often against my face than the mouse isn't really entertaining to me. It's annoying.
 
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