VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[dontcarewhateverno]

Wonder what is going on with the Final. 5 days ago, Eva posted it would be a couple of days to final release. Anyone see any info on that since?

 

[Deleted member 6148663]

Wonder what is going on with the Final. 5 days ago, Eva posted it would be a couple of days to final release. Anyone see any info on that since?

There was a bikini poll posted 3 days ago. I'm guessing she's also deciding on the bikini to be used for it. But idk.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

There was a bikini poll posted 3 days ago. I'm guessing she's also deciding on the bikini to be used for it. But idk.

Yeah. I saw that she posted the actual poll 3 days back (though I don't have access to the poll myself to read). But the original post from 5 days ago that originally mentioned the upcoming bikini poll also said the Final would be released in a couple days, which means last Wednesday. I was just wondering if she'd mentioned anything about the delay and a new time estimate for release. I don't think the bikini will be seen in the chapter final or is associated with the delay at all, at least based on what she wrote on Monday. The poll is just routine Patreon service to keep fans satiated as she preps for Chapter 12, afaik.

 

[LoneWaker59]

If Ian is in an open relationship with Lena, why does he feel the need to end all ties with Alison? If I'm not mistaken, you lose Cheryl too, but hers makes more sense because of the past with Lena...

 

[JoeSte91]

Hmm ok i kind of get the complaint, but then on the other hand one could argue that Holly simply falling under influence of Lena/Ivy even if she's in relationship with Ian ignores the agency Ian (as the other MC) has in this setup. That she doesn't can be boring for some players, but on the other hand it can be source of satisfaction for another group of players, that they can actually have a vanilla relationship with a girl that doesn't end up with her getting "turned into a slut" and cheating on their male MC, despite her friends trying to mess things up.

You can say this is a boring route, but then having everything to follow the same trajectory can be viewed just as boring, too, and an exception from it shakes things up. Depending who you ask.

I guess I just don't see it as a contest of agency in that way, since I, the player am the one in control of both MCs. If I want to keep Holly pure, I can choose to do so with my decision making by both choices.

If I choose to roleplay Ian as one way or another, or Lena as one way or another, it would just be nice to see the effects that the different roles have on the npcs, from my perspective.

But I do agree it's a very subjective thing, and not everyone experiences it the same way. Ultimately only Eva Kiss' vision matters.

 

[MikeOG]

i got this problem while watching the gallery and my game does not have any mod

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/scripts/story/chapter_8.rpy", line 4591, in <module>
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -: 'int' and 'str'

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "scripts/story/chapter_8.rpyc", line 4591, in script
File "D:\AVN\3 Our Red String\Our Red String\renpy\ast.py", line 1131, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "D:\AVN\3 Our Red String\Our Red String\renpy\python.py", line 1061, in py_exec_bytecode
exec(bytecode, globals, locals)
File "game/scripts/story/chapter_8.rpy", line 4591, in <module>
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -: 'int' and 'str'

Windows-10-10.0.19041 AMD64
Ren'Py 8.0.3.22090809
Our Red String v11_Alpha
Sat Jul 22 19:42:33 2023

 

[JoeSte91]

Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances. This way she already is open to having multiple sex partners and can prioritize Ivy's advice above anything else, even if she becomes Ian's girlfriend in the future. Same outcome, no?

Just because you reach the same destination doesn't make the journey equal.

And just because she can't cheat while in a happy relationship with Ian doesn't mean she won't be corrupted. She can already pose for nude photo shoots for Lena, maybe she can be persuaded to start a Stalkfap to combat her shyness, and Ian, if he's a voyeur, could support this idea and encourage Holly to work on her confidence even if it ends up biting him in the ass (making Holly too excited and eager to try new things). I say just be more patient and wait for the story to be developed further so that we could have more opportunities to not only sabotage the current relationships but also make them more exciting.

I am being patient. I'm not sitting here saying Eva is the worst for fixing a glitch. I didn't even know I wanted this until the glitch happened. And now all I'm saying is that this would have been an interesting opportunity to make Lena's decisions affect Holly, and by extension Ian's relationship. So it would be possible to play Ian as a loving boyfriend and still have Holly lured away. Because by all accounts, Ian was a good and loving boyfriend to Gillian, and thought everything was going good enough that he expected her to move for him. And she ended up cheating. So we could even say it's poetic, that it gives the player the option of making history repeat itself.

Maybe that'll still happen later down the road. I dunno that. You would know that better than me probably. My only contention this whole time is that letting Lena influence that decision on that particular path would get the ball rolling a little earlier and a little faster down that slippery slope. It's obviously not happening though, so I'll wait and see what comes up in later releases.

 

[MikeOG]

I also have this error while taking the drug with emma. the game crashes and it cant even ignore or roleback
Eva Kiss

 

[ffive]

I guess I just don't see it as a contest of agency in that way, since I, the player am the one in control of both MCs. If I want to keep Holly pure, I can choose to do so with my decision making by both choices.

But that's the thing -- with the way you suggest, and Lena's influence being all that effectively matters, there's only one way you can "keep Holly pure" and that's by keeping Lena away from her. This reduces number of stories the player can potentially craft, compared to version where they also get option for Ian to actively oppose Lena and, depending which of the MC makes better choices, either come out on top, or lose this contest.

 

[JoeSte91]

But expecting that Ian will get cucked in a good relationship with Holly just because Lena might try to sabotage their relationship is just unreasonable because it will destroy Ian's own agency and will make him a secondary character to Lena. That's just not a good look for a dual-protagonist game.

I really don't understand the logic behind this 'Ian's agency' argument. The only person who has agency is the player. The NPC's also have their own agency, but the decisions and choices of both Ian and Lena are influenced by me, the player. If I make that choice, having Lena influence Holly, behind Ian's back, I the player am exerting my agency to create that situation and draw dramatic irony from the scene because I know the context that the character's don't. That's what's being achieved by allowing it, rather than drawing agency away from a character that the player controls. Because if the player doesn't want Lena to exert that influence, they can simply chose not to do it. My agency as the player should allow me to dictate how much influence one mc exerts over another, if they both have the option of influencing a third npc.

So it's probably just my inability to understand this stance is why I don't really agree in regards to how this could have been implemented, but it's also not the end of the world to me as far as the game or the development is concerned.

 

[ffive]

If Ian is in an open relationship with Lena, why does he feel the need to end all ties with Alison? If I'm not mistaken, you lose Cheryl too, but hers makes more sense because of the past with Lena...

The "open relationship" in this game isn't a permission/arrangement for both Ian and Lena to fuck whoever else they wish on their own. It's potentially "experimenting together" i.e. maybe having some threesomes where both of them get involved.

 

[JoeSte91]

But that's the thing -- with the way you suggest, and Lena's influence being all that effectively matters, there's only one way you can "keep Holly pure" and that's by keeping Lena away from her. This reduces number of stories the player can potentially craft, compared to version where they also get option for Ian to actively oppose Lena and, depending which of the MC makes better choices, either come out on top, or lose this contest.

Well, no, you can also keep Holly pure, by keeping Lena pure.

And you can keep Holly pure, by having Lena choose not to influence her, or by giving her good advice.

What you can't do right now is have Lena influence Holly to be bad in that situation.

I don't understand, shouldn't it also work the other way? By taking away Lena's ability to be influential in that situation aren't you saying that Ian's agency (although again I disagree that the central protagonists have agency outside of the player's choices for them bases on the roles they want them to play) is more important than Lena's agency in this path?

 

[ffive]

Well, no, you can also keep Holly pure, by keeping Lena pure.

And you can keep Holly pure, by having Lena choose not to influence her, or by giving her good advice.

Both of these are effectively the same thing -- you can't have Lena try to tempt Holly away from Ian and fail due to Ian's interference.

What you can't do right now is have Lena influence Holly to be bad in that situation.

I don't understand, shouldn't it also work the other way?

I agree, this is currently the case. However since we're merely at mid point there's plenty of time for such option to actually appear -- i don't think Holly's change is all completed. There's both room for her to become more adventurous, and for Lena to give in to her lust and to get over her current scruples.

 

[noturiah]

Reading through all the recent posts about Holly's purity or corruption (and the in-between-ness of it right now at ch11), a random thought came to mind. All this time I've assumed that eventually, Lena would kick Stan out of the apartment - maybe in siding with Louise and thinking he's a perv she doesn't want around, maybe from being uncomfortable by his worship of her - and Holly would move in, because they'd need a third for rent, and it's not like Louise and Ivy would want to live together. Or that Ivy needs to split rent with anyone.

But, what if Stan gets kicked out (or asked to be chivalrous and leave if Lena is friends with him, or led to leave if Lena is toying with him) not because of something having to do with Stan, but because Holly's parents find out she's sleeping with someone, and kick her out of their house? As we learn more about them it seems like a real possibility. From a game standpoint it could work across different branches: HollyxIan, HollyxLena, HollyxIvy/Mark/etc. It could happen to a pure or corrupted or in-between Holly, as long as she's sleeping with someone.

This is all assuming the basic idea of Stan leaving and Holly moving in is going to happen, of course. It may not. But all this time I thought if it did, it would be about Stan, and it would be interesting if it's actually because of Holly.

 

[| Vee |]

Reading through all the recent posts about Holly's purity or corruption (and the in-between-ness of it right now at ch11), a random thought came to mind. All this time I've assumed that eventually, Lena would kick Stan out of the apartment - maybe in siding with Louise and thinking he's a perv she doesn't want around, maybe from being uncomfortable by his worship of her - and Holly would move in, because they'd need a third for rent, and it's not like Louise and Ivy would want to live together. Or that Ivy needs to split rent with anyone.

But, what if Stan gets kicked out (or asked to be chivalrous and leave if Lena is friends with him, or led to leave if Lena is toying with him) not because of something having to do with Stan, but because Holly's parents find out she's sleeping with someone, and kick her out of their house? As we learn more about them it seems like a real possibility. From a game standpoint it could work across different branches: HollyxIan, HollyxLena, HollyxIvy/Mark/etc. It could happen to a pure or corrupted or in-between Holly, as long as she's sleeping with someone.

This is all assuming the basic idea of Stan leaving and Holly moving in is going to happen, of course. It may not. But all this time I thought if it did, it would be about Stan, and it would be interesting if it's actually because of Holly.

I don't think Stan is going anywhere as we see in current Chapter how his story is progressing with Lena.
And it's going to be hectic for EK to split it if LenaxStan are dating branch where Stan is living with Lena and LenaxStan friend/not dating/incel where Stan is not living with Lena instead Holly is living etc. Managing these branches would only create more diversions in routes and EK is already trying to narrow down branches to some extent.

I would suggest that Lena should throw Stan under the truck on next date/meetup, If not than give him Viagra dose, tie him to a chair and Fuck in front of him.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I also have this error while taking the drug with emma. the game crashes and it cant even ignore or roleback
Eva Kiss

I got the trick right away on release of this chapter, but I'll say it again. This is the most tiring joke in the game. It (the baffled posts) keeps on happening. People who don't often play Renpy games in development just aren't going to get it. To compound that, ideally after final release (if tested correctly) a new player would be completely unfamiliar with what a RenPy crash screen even looks like up until this point & would close the game to write Steam support. Saddest thing is the Renpy skip function doesn't work in this part on replay and the joke gets really stale by the 2nd, 3rd and 4th alt-path playthrough. I've just stopped taking the drug altogether on additional runs to avoid this part entirely, since it's really tedious.

MikeOG It's a joke/puzzle. The fact that there is game-designed text over the crash screen is a clue since that never happens in a real RenPy crash. Check out BBCode for a further look. Then play around with the buttons a bit, reading the text for hints.

 

[MikeOG]

I got the trick right away on release of this chapter, but I'll say it again. This is the most tiring joke in the game. It (the baffled posts) keeps on happening. People who don't often play Renpy games in development just aren't going to get it. To compound that, ideally after final release (if tested correctly) a new player would be completely unfamiliar with what a RenPy crash screen even looks like up until this point & would close the game to write Steam support. Saddest thing is the Renpy skip function doesn't work in this part on replay and the joke gets really stale by the 2nd, 3rd and 4th alt-path playthrough. I've just stopped taking the drug altogether on additional runs to avoid this part entirely, since it's really tedious.

MikeOG It's a joke/puzzle. The fact that there is game-designed text over the crash screen is a clue since that never happens in a real RenPy crash. Check out BBCode for a further look. Then play around with the buttons a bit, reading the text for hints.

nothing works. It says "reloading script" "file not found"
I cant play anymore cuz of this error.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

nothing works. It says "reloading script" "file not found"
I cant play anymore cuz of this error.

Dude. It's a puzzle. Really. Just play through it, hitting various buttons with trial and error like I said and read the text that pops up for hints. Unless you're just trolling or something. I mean, it's pretty obvious once you hit BBCode + the fact that you can see dialogue overlayed on top of the crash-screen, which never regularly happens in RenPy crash screens. You just need to keep fucking around with it.

Suppressing a facepalm here. lol.

 

[SerHawkes]

Dude. It's a puzzle. Really. Just play through it, hitting various buttons with trial and error like I said and read the text that pops up for hints. Unless you're just trolling or something. I mean, it's pretty obvious once you hit BBCode + the fact that you can see dialogue overlayed on top of the crash-screen, which never regularly happens in RenPy crash screens.

Suppressing a facepalm here. lol.

Did I for you. Your welcome.

 

[MikeOG]

Dude. It's a puzzle. Really. Just play through it, hitting various buttons with trial and error like I said and read the text that pops up for hints. Unless you're just trolling or something. I mean, it's pretty obvious once you hit BBCode + the fact that you can see dialogue overlayed on top of the crash-screen, which never regularly happens in RenPy crash screens. You just need to keep fucking around with it.

Suppressing a facepalm here. lol.

how is that trollin WTF
i just spend 20 minutes trying and nothing happend