VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[jimul18]

I have done a more deepdive into chapter 11. Again 9 months total development time.

• There are 697 images in total in chapter 11,
  • removing the layers like tatoos, cum, different cloths (mostly same cloth different colors) or different facials expressions (for example Louise sticking out her tongue)
• There are about 362 images in chapter 11 (give or take a few)
  • removing interface items like phone frames, icons, backgrounds (some reused ones anyway) etc
• There are roughly 291 images in chapter 11 (give or take a few)
  • remove semi-identical images (for example Jeremy/Marcel BJ is just different colors, even the body proportions of Jeremy and Marcel are identical)
  • removing animation images (here often just hand positions of Lena are moved a bit or the entire body is further up/down)
• There are 172 images in chapter 11.

However this is not strictly fair in either direction, because:

1. It still takes work to recolor the images or reframe and upscale.
2. Of the remaining 172 "real" images a lot are still reused from other chapters, e.g. Jack scene is just Alex scene from previous chapter, same for a lot of the Alison scenes and some of the Lena stuff.

I havent gone through all the old chapters but just removing the images I am certain of from memory are from older chapters, e.g. Lena swallowing cum is just from the club scene. We are left with about 100 images. Again take from that what you will.

[Edit] P.S.: I know "real" images is controversial, but for example the tatoo layer often is the same semi-transparent PNG that gets warped a bit in Photoshop

 

[seaoflove]

Or just ignore the sounds? Put on your headphone and turn up the volume? Who forced Stan to spy on Lena? He's a grown ass man who did that on his own volition. He can still control what he does, even if Lena or Louise do something wrong.

Double Standard 100%, Because, Lena does the EXACT SAME THING to Louise & Jeremy and nobody is batting an eye about that.

So it's okay for Lena to spy on folks when they are banging because she is a woman, and hot & It's not okay for Stan to do it because he is a man, and fat?

 

[jackypetersy89]

Double Standard 100%, Because, Lena does the EXACT SAME THING to Louise & Jeremy and nobody is batting an eye about that.

So it's okay for Lena to spy on folks when they are banging because she is a woman, and hot & It's not okay for Stan to do it because he is a man, and fat?

this is the internet so naturally we are all superhuman buff gorgeous models. being fat is disgusting and none of us hiding behind our keyboards are fat no no. /s

yeah in general women voyeurs arent judged as harshly. go figure.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Double Standard 100%, Because, Lena does the EXACT SAME THING to Louise & Jeremy and nobody is batting an eye about that.

So it's okay for Lena to spy on folks when they are banging because she is a woman, and hot & It's not okay for Stan to do it because he is a man, and fat?

Stan crime is being fat and ugly,everyone knows this

 

[Krysis_here]

Stan crime is being fat and ugly,everyone knows this

What are you Even Saying, Isn't Stan is most Loved Character and Very Handsome Looking

Spoiler: Handsome

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[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Stan crime is being fat and ugly,everyone knows this

Can't talk for everyone but for me, his problem is being a creep. To be fair though, I don't like almost all of the male cast.

 

[Andrea9999]

Now, Jeremy has become an Ape...Got it , "Jungle Sex" Unlocked

To clarify, JohnnyKiss had posted: "It's a cliche in porn where the girl leaves her boyfriend for this totally awesome and rad dude that saves her or whatever. I was mostly joking. "

My reply was based on a Tarzan book in which Tarzan (not yet known to be Lord Greystoke) saves Jane from a wild animal whereas the guy she was with (ironically, a cousin of Tarzan's though he does not yet know it) just knelt down before the animal waiting to be killed.

 

[Andrea9999]

I have done a more deepdive into chapter 11. Again 9 months total development time.

• There are 697 images in total in chapter 11,
  • removing the layers like tatoos, cum, different cloths (mostly same cloth different colors) or different facials expressions (for example Louise sticking out her tongue)
• There are about 362 images in chapter 11 (give or take a few)
  • removing interface items like phone frames, icons, backgrounds (some reused ones anyway) etc
• There are roughly 291 images in chapter 11 (give or take a few)
  • remove semi-identical images (for example Jeremy/Marcel BJ is just different colors, even the body proportions of Jeremy and Marcel are identical)
  • removing animation images (here often just hand positions of Lena are moved a bit or the entire body is further up/down)
• There are 172 images in chapter 11.

However this is not strictly fair in either direction, because:

1. It still takes work to recolor the images or reframe and upscale.
2. Of the remaining 172 "real" images a lot are still reused from other chapters, e.g. Jack scene is just Alex scene from previous chapter, same for a lot of the Alison scenes and some of the Lena stuff.

I havent gone through all the old chapters but just removing the images I am certain of from memory are from older chapters, e.g. Lena swallowing cum is just from the club scene. We are left with about 100 images. Again take from that what you will.

[Edit] P.S.: I know "real" images is controversial, but for example the tatoo layer often is the same semi-transparent PNG that gets warped a bit in Photoshop

*sigh*....please....just give us the bottom line in pixels created per second.

 

[seaoflove]

*sigh*....please....just give us the bottom line in pixels created per second.

ORS is 1080 x 1920

a single 1080 x 1920 image contains 2,073,600 pixels.

697 total images.

697 x 2,073,600 = 1,445,299,200
9 months = approximately 233,280,000 seconds (counting it as 30 days per month some have more or less days, but we go with 30 for simplicity)

1,445,299,200 / 233,280,000 = 6.195555555... Pixels per second.

 

[lorkdubo]

*sigh*....please....just give us the bottom line in pixels created per second.

I mean...
You don't count per second but by image. So, a 1080p image has ~2 million pixels and a 4k one has ~8.3 million pixels.
Now, it's just simple math.
1080p: 697 * 2 million = ~1.4 billion pixels in chapter 11 as of yet
4k: 697 * 8.3 million = ~5.8 billion pixels in chapter 11 as of yet
Given the information provided by jimul18 that chapter 11 has taken 9 months, which we can say is around ~273 which each have 86400 seconds.
1080p: 86400 * 273 =1.4b / 23.587.200 = 59.34 pixels per second, if my math is right.
4k: 86400 * 273 =5.8b / 23.587.200 = 245.97 pixels per second, again if my math is right.
PD: I'm indeed fucking with you tho. XD

 

[Andrea9999]

ORS is 1080 x 1920

a single 1080 x 1920 image contains 2,073,600 pixels.

697 total images.

697 x 2,073,600 = 1,445,299,200
9 months = approximately 233,280,000 seconds (counting it as 30 days per month some have more or less days, but we go with 30 for simplicity)

1,445,299,200 / 233,280,000 = 6.195555555... Pixels per second.

Need skilled pixels. so maybe 60% ; 3.6 pps?

 

[Andrea9999]

I mean...
You don't count per second but by image. So, a 1080p image has ~2 million pixels and a 4k one has ~8.3 million pixels.
Now, it's just simple math.
1080p: 697 * 2 million = ~1.4 billion pixels in chapter 11 as of yet
4k: 697 * 8.3 million = ~5.8 billion pixels in chapter 11 as of yet
Given the information provided by jimul18 that chapter 11 has taken 9 months, which we can say is around ~273 which each have 86400 seconds.
1080p: 86400 * 273 =1.4b / 23.587.200 = 59.34 pixels per second, if my math is right.
4k: 86400 * 273 =5.8b / 23.587.200 = 245.97 pixels per second, again if my math is right.
PD: I'm indeed fucking with you tho. XD

your disparity from seaoflove made me do the ,math. for 1080X920 for nine months:
(1080)(920)/(3/4)(pi*10^7)=0.04 pixels per second (recall there about pi*10^7 seconds in a year).

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Double Standard 100%, Because, Lena does the EXACT SAME THING to Louise & Jeremy and nobody is batting an eye about that.

So it's okay for Lena to spy on folks when they are banging because she is a woman, and hot & It's not okay for Stan to do it because he is a man, and fat?

No, it's not a "double standard" because you can choose for Lena NOT TO spy on Jeremy and Louis. It's completely up to players choice if they want Lena to act that way or not.

I'd imagine a lot of people who have issues with spying would choose not to do it but even if they did choose to spy on Jeremy, I'd imagine it's because you kind of have to do it to access certain routes.

Also, yeah, Stan is a disgusting looking fatso who not even his own mother could love. Nobody is attracted to a disgusting creep; I don't know why everyone is acting like that is a bad thing.

 

[DDDIsReal]

This game will never see an ending

 

[jimul18]

your disparity from seaoflove made me do the ,math. for 1080X920 for nine months:
(1080)(920)/(3/4)(pi*10^7)=0.04 pixels per second (recall there about pi*10^7 seconds in a year).

Well you need to subtract sleeping, eating and shitting time. No but honestly what I wanted to illustrate is that any metric, lines of code, number of images is bullshit if taken out of context.

For me, and anybody can have their own opinion on this, there is a large amount of re-used art in chapter 11. Or at least it feels more obvious to me. The stuff with Jeremy and Marcel being identical is normal, that has always been the case. Ian, Robert and Mike also sometimes get the same body proportions with different coloring even though they look vastly different as characters, no problem since the characters can exclude each other in different playthroughs.

The re-used art from other chapters is worse to me, i.e. Jack in the toilet using the same images as Axel in chapter 10 in his apartment. The Jack inclusion came out of nowhere anyway, that's what a cameo is, but then just rehashing other images is, imho, lazy both from a narrative as well as artistic pov.

As a counterpoint to that: the Jessica scene in chapter 12 makes more sense. Not only is it new art, but also it is only possible if Jessica is the worst version of herself from GGGB, EK (at least not yet, and hopefully they wont) has just retooled those images for "good" Jessica and added it as another version of the same scene for another playthrough of good Ian/Lena or replaced Ian with Lena+Strapon.

 

[Gicoo]

No, it's not a "double standard" because you can choose for Lena NOT TO spy on Jeremy and Louis. It's completely up to players choice if they want Lena to act that way or not.

And Stan only stalks if the player choses to have Lena act very teasing and provocative towards him, hence he starts to get the idea that its okay. Lena can even be okay with it and explore and enjoy it.

If Lena ignores Stan, he ignores her as well. In a regular not Stan specific playthrough, he stays in his room and leaves Lena and Louise alone. Louise always being on bad terms with him is on her.

It is double standard. Lena spying on her hot room mate or her boyfriend is written delicately and naughty, since you get the impression that Lena is encouraged to get Louise/Jeremy. Meanwhile, Stan being a voyeur has elements of desperation and patheticness to it, since he has no chance with her under normal circumstances and only Lena can grant him that. Very simple power dynamic of ugly nerd and hot model.

 

[bleachedturtle]

I'd rather assets to be re-used if it means faster releases

 

[jimul18]

I'd rather assets to be re-used if it means faster releases

This is the age old question of quality vs quantity. At one point the existing assets are used up and limiting anyway. There more interesting question is how can the narrative complexity production and pipeline be optimized to enable both. And is that even possible at this point?

The Jack, Jessica and Natasha cameos are indicators of an inherent dissonance between the intentions of EK and at least part of the fan response. Due to the success of GGGB. As with any artist, the works will always be compared, but playing into that...I don't know. (Personally I am all for seeing part of the old gang, and the Jessica angle is the best approach to that, though it alienates people who played the redemption arc for Jessica in GGGB, still it is interesting and apt in a narrow framework). But fansever is rarely a good thing, think of the "You'll be dead guy in Rogue One".

 

[dolfe67]

If Lena ignores Stan, he ignores her as well. In a regular not Stan specific playthrough, he stays in his room and leaves Lena and Louise alone. Louise always being on bad terms with him is on her.

You don't know that, maybe he didn't get caught red-handed

But yeah there is a double standard here between male and female. For instance, solo masturbation is also better viewed for a female than a male

 

[Xupuzulla]

Keep complaining,guys,Evakiss needs to know we are pissed about her taking this much time with a Holly update