VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Xupuzulla]

Ivy is a bad person,im sure her money comes from something shady.
Everything she does around Lena is to fuck her life.
I have no proof but no doubts either.

 

[Geigi]

About Ivy-Lena, let's just say that married women tends to avoid their female friends or cut them off entirely. Female friendship like in the Sex and the City is rare.

 

[Dessolos]

Question I read the status update and saw mention of epilogue. Is this game near completion or is that just a possible early ending? cause I thought I read comments saying how there is something like 15 - 20 chapters at least planned. Sorry new to this thread just played this game a week or 2 ago still need to finish it if I can stop playing one of my normal / non AVN / VN video games lol.

 

[mommysboiii]

But that's not Ivy's vibes during that conversation, she takes 3 months to tell Lena and she does it more in passing while they are gossiping. It's more of a "I want to watch the world burn" vibe than out of concern, because she thinks it's not really a big deal for Lena and Ian's relationship as they were not exclusive at the moment

Finally someone that understands ivys cheracter and why jess says ivy is trouble

 

[Warscared]

It could be, but then why doesn't she tell Lena way before?. It's easier to mess a relationship in the early stages than when it's more consolidated.

yeah but if you want to be a sexual vulture its better to wait and break them...
they tend to be far more maleable if they are broken!
i can imagine ivy going... so its all the guys or whats the common thing in all your break ups?

 

[mommysboiii]

It could be, but then why doesn't she tell Lena way before?. It's easier to mess a relationship in the early stages than when it's more consolidated. I think that Ivy's intentions are the harder to know for sure in the game, there might be something of what you say in her relationship with Lena but it's probably more complex than just that. My bet is a different conspiracy, I think she had an agreement with Axel to help him getting another chance with Lena in exchange of Axel helping her with the Wildcats gig. She might have fucked Axel as she feels he didn't deliver on their agreement even if you are playing a Lena who has no contact with Axel at all. She could have told Lena about Ian and Cindy just to potentially cause trouble for Cindy (who "stole" her opportunity), the same way she tells Ian about the rumours (probably initiated by herself) of Cindy and Axel fucking in order to get more info out of Ian and also possibly cause trouble for Cindy too.

Her first priority is clearly herself and she's very manipulative and seems to enjoy "corrupting" others to behave like herself. If she's in love with Lena, it's a twisted love and just part of a more complex set of feelings than just having a crush since their highschool years. I think we will clearly see that during Billy's event where she will probably push Lena to take drugs and just fuck whoever is necessary to advance their careers. Her flirting with Ian I think it might be a genuine attraction to a chad Ian, which doesn't mean that she wouldn't use him for her own purposes if she sees an angle.

Yeah ivy is 100% the femme fatal cheracter

 

[Gicoo]

Why would Ivy tell Lena that Ian banged Cindy behind her back?

Ivy dislikes Cindy. Lena can be nice to Cindy, but both of them are frustrated that Cindy got the wildcat job and hang out with Axel. The latter is always an issue, whether its because they don't want Axel to win again, Lena worries a bit about Cindy and/or Wade or because Lena wants Axel herself.

So when those emotions regarding Cindy rile up, Ivy gossips and adds whatever negative about Cindy is know to her: Cindy acts like a diva, she is unfaithful to her boyfriend, and even Ian fucked her.

I found the conversation natural and reasonable why Ivy pointed it out at this moment, it was at the right time.

 

[ffive]

Jeremy seems to do it more because he's worried about Ian getting burnt again and he's trying to look out for him. We can debate if he should have told Ian before or how good of a bro he really is if he has fucked Lena himself. But his intentions during the conversation look to me different than Ivy's.

Well, if Lena and Jeremy have fucked then he does tell Ian about it (eventually), so that's one debate i think we can avoid. As for Ivy's intentions being different, i'm not sure -- she might very well be acting from similar stance, that is, trying to save Lena another heartbreak after Axel.

It could be, but then why doesn't she tell Lena way before?

It could be because with Lena and Ian's relationship at early stage she didn't think Lena was all that serious about Ian. Also note, that if your idea about conspiracy with Axel was true, or if she wanted Lena for herself, then wouldn't it be in Ivy's self-interest to shit on Ian as soon as possible, so that Lena would drop him and run back crying to her ex-boyfriend, or to her? So the fact she did not puts that into question.

 

[mommysboiii]

And i am still convinced cindy is a trap card

Pepelaugh good one eva

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Yeah ivy is 100% the femme fatal cheracter

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In personality, 100% agree with you.

In appearance, not at all; I think of the femme fatale as sultry, feminine, seductive (much like megan you have pictured!), not this look that says "slightly mannish druggie who dances weekends at a place called Chubbies".

 

[GokutheG]

Doesn't Ivy wait to tell Lena about Ian cheating with Cindy because she thinks the relationship is nothing more than a fling? Isn't it only when Ivy thinks that Lena's starting to get serious about Ian does Ivy tell her about his cheating. She's trying to warn her that Ian is another Axel in the making.

 

[Gicoo]

Ivy has a loose definition of commitment, so Ian fucking Cindy, two persons she barely know, doesn't faze her. And he wasn't commiting to Lena at that time. Ivy is a very carefree spirit, she isn't going to run to Lena and tell her her boyfriend is bad news.

So she only tells Lena because its the first time they gossip about Cindy in lenght, so Ivy brings up the dirt.

 

[lucadiadis]

It could be, but then why doesn't she tell Lena way before?. It's easier to mess a relationship in the early stages than when it's more consolidated. I think that Ivy's intentions are the harder to know for sure in the game, there might be something of what you say in her relationship with Lena but it's probably more complex than just that. My bet is a different conspiracy, I think she had an agreement with Axel to help him getting another chance with Lena in exchange of Axel helping her with the Wildcats gig. She might have fucked Axel as she feels he didn't deliver on their agreement even if you are playing a Lena who has no contact with Axel at all. She could have told Lena about Ian and Cindy just to potentially cause trouble for Cindy (who "stole" her opportunity), the same way she tells Ian about the rumours (probably initiated by herself) of Cindy and Axel fucking in order to get more info out of Ian and also possibly cause trouble for Cindy too.

Her first priority is clearly herself and she's very manipulative and seems to enjoy "corrupting" others to behave like herself. If she's in love with Lena, it's a twisted love and just part of a more complex set of feelings than just having a crush since their highschool years. I think we will clearly see that during Billy's event where she will probably push Lena to take drugs and just fuck whoever is necessary to advance their careers. Her flirting with Ian I think it might be a genuine attraction to a chad Ian, which doesn't mean that she wouldn't use him for her own purposes if she sees an angle.

Ok quite a few things here:

- In my hypothesis (again I am NOT saying this is for certain, it is just one possibility I can see and I would definitely NOT bet money on it), she doesn't tell Lena before because she wanted to be certain Ian and Lena were a serious thing.

- As far as your conspiracy is concerned (we are all getting "weird"), I have another conspiracy blending both our conspiracies: depending upon our choices, it could be that BOTH theories will be available in the future. For example, if you have chosen the least friendly choices with Ivy, your theory will apply. If we choose the exact opposite options, my theory will apply. It might give ideas to EK and her writer's block.

- Re. Billy's enterprise: I am quite sure it will turn out to be a porn movie production, and Lena will have the option to go into porn with Ivy or decline.

- What you say about Ivy's attraction to Chad Ian makes sense, however one fact goes in my theory's direction: even if Lena cheats on Ian and that Ivy has texted a few moments ago to Lena she could get a hotter guy than Ian anytime she wants, she STILL flirts with him...........

 

[lucadiadis]

So Ivy is the lesbian power fantasy: destroy a hetero relationship so she can show her target how much better pussy is, specifically her pussy.

Pretty much.

 

[Socrambus]

It could be because with Lena and Ian's relationship at early stage she didn't think Lena was all that serious about Ian. Also note, that if your idea about conspiracy with Axel was true, or if she wanted Lena for herself, then wouldn't it be in Ivy's self-interest to shit on Ian as soon as possible, so that Lena would drop him and run back crying to her ex-boyfriend, or to her? So the fact she did not puts that into question.

Ok quite a few things here:

- In my hypothesis (again I am NOT saying this is for certain, it is just one possibility I can see and I would definitely NOT bet money on it), she doesn't tell Lena before because she wanted to be certain Ian and Lena were a serious thing.

- As far as your conspiracy is concerned (we are all getting "weird"), I have another conspiracy blending both our conspiracies: depending upon our choices, it could be that BOTH theories will be available in the future. For example, if you have chosen the least friendly choices with Ivy, your theory will apply. If we choose the exact opposite options, my theory will apply. It might give ideas to EK and her writer's block.

- Re. Billy's enterprise: I am quite sure it will turn out to be a porn movie production, and Lena will have the option to go into porn with Ivy or decline.

- What you say about Ivy's attraction to Chad Ian makes sense, however one fact goes in my theory's direction: even if Lena cheats on Ian and that Ivy has texted a few moments ago to Lena she could get a hotter guy than Ian anytime she wants, she STILL flirts with him...........

Both of you might be right. That's what I meant when I said Ivy's full intentions are the harder to guess in the game. So far she's one of the best written characters, perfectly ambiguous. Let's see when the story is finished if the final definition of the character holds. It can get pretty tricky to execute, specially if it's made dependant on MC's relationships with her. I hope we don't see a redemption arc "from whore to pure girl", bad Jess path already seems directed to it and one is enough.

 

[BunnyDevil]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money. Ivy seems to be a classic example of this type of woman. So, what are her true intentions? I guess it’s simple: to have fun and make money.

 

[Gicoo]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money. Ivy seems to be a classic example of this type of woman. So, what are her true intentions? I guess it’s simple: to have fun and make money.

Pretty much.
Occasionally a few theories are brought up how Ivy manipulates everyone and is ruthless, but as of now, there is no payoff shown. Ivy is too simpleminded to have those goals and motives, she is the female counterpart of Jeremy in how she just wants to live in the moment and lead a carefree life, ideally fucking hot partners without commitment. She is a hammer, not a scalpel.

Above all, EvaKiss never pulled off such complex plot twists, either because they can't and most likely because thats not what they implement in their game. The allegedly most intelligent character is Seymour and his blackmail is laughable even for hentai rapist standards.

 

[SearingFive]

One thing that intrigued me was the mentioning of a foursome at Ivy's birthday party. Could it be a hint for a possible Ian/Lena/Holly/Ivy four way?

 

[SearingFive]

Speaking of attention. Ivy gets pretty upset when Lena steals the spotlight without even trying. First instance happened when Lena met Billy for the first time, he ignored Ivy not once but twice in a row and you can see her dejected face. The second instance happens if Lena decides to wear the expensive outfit at Ivy's birthday party and Jeremy flat out proclaims that Lena is the hottest one by far which triggers Ivy a little.

 

[Turret]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money. Ivy seems to be a classic example of this type of woman. So, what are her true intentions? I guess it’s simple: to have fun and make money.

As an addendum, even among the sexworkers there is a subgroup you could call "hobby prostitutes" who are in it because they (and oftentimes their partners) get off on it. It is not a large group, but not all that small either and the money is simply a bonus for them. As it is not difficult to see, these girls are not full timers and have lives outside the red light. Hence the "hobby" label is not wrong to apply here.

Question I read the status update and saw mention of epilogue. Is this game near completion or is that just a possible early ending? cause I thought I read comments saying how there is something like 15 - 20 chapters at least planned. Sorry new to this thread just played this game a week or 2 ago still need to finish it if I can stop playing one of my normal / non AVN / VN video games lol.

No, the game is quite a way away from ending. Almost all chapters of ORS have an epilogue. The mentioned epilogue is just the one for ch.12. for instance ch. 13 also will have an epilogue.