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They already fucked, it just happened off screenIm going to laugh my ass off when Billy fucks that ass before Ian through
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Mark sending the picture to Ivy without Holly's permission doesn't exempt Ivy from her responsability for forwarding it to Lena (and god knows who else) without permission.
I think that people are entirely within their rights to expect other people to not share private and explicit pictures of them without their consent, not really something where you can argue "Holly should have known better" while simultaneously excusing Ivy's behavior and saying she isn't "corrupting" Holly. Also as you said Holly has only potentially done anything sexual with Lena and it is arguable if she would want Lena to see those pictures, Ivy sends those to Lena all the same if the corruption arc is happening because she don't give a fuck.
I don't know how far into the "radical free will" direction you want to argue, but unless you want to ignore the existence of pushers, enablers and deny the existence of any kind of social influence, then I will point out once again that Ivy is really insistent in propagandizing her lifestyle and targetting insecurities to manipulate other people.
I do not see how it would make Ivy look any better to bring up characters like Seymour and Axel as similars (actual villains), or Robert (who ranges from a kinda shitty demanding bf to completely whipped). Perry and Jeremy are similar but also the story makes it clear that their need to push their lifestyles comes from a fear of loneliness and is the source of some of their worst traits (Perry being a stuck-up hipster and Jeremy being a bit of a pig). Idk what you were cooking with Cindy (I guess the single-minded stubborness?) or with Alison (she's in a midlife crisis and easily suggestible towards anything, her "tough" personality is barely allowing her to cope). Emma actually has several conversations about how she won't push her lifestyle on other people, the vegan thing is an easy example, I do not recall any instances of her acting condescending or treating someone as lesser for disagreeing with her, even her beef with Seymour is much more about opposing his actions and their consequences.
Is your argument that the literal corruption route results in a corrupted Holly? I wouldn't take the validation of a fetish in a porn game as meaning anything. Even in GGGB a lot of the "bad girl" routes had happy endings for Ash, that does not mean she made sound moral decisions or was "right".
Again I'm not expecting anything tragic to happen in Holly's corruption route because this is a porn game, Holly will embrace her inner lust and become a baddie alongside Ivy or whatever and everyone lives happily ever after. But you must have never met a struggling addict if you think people can't go down bad routes they come to regret because someone convinced them to enjoy something.
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Thats the thing,the next one is going to be on screen,Ivy fans are going to be so happy
Right after the second Holly Trinity sex scene my playthrough jumps to a really short scene between Lena and Ian that feels disconected from everything. Is this a bug or its just like that?
I'm mostly arguing that with Ivy and Holly becoming friends, they're probably considerably less uptight about "mah privacy" in the context of sending sexy selfies to another friend they've been sexual with. And that it's perfectly plausible for Ivy to be upfront with Holly about sharing these pictures with Lena, instead of doing it behind Holly's back.
It is also worth noting that if this is invasion of Holly's privacy, then Lena shows zero concern about it and doesn't bother to check even once with Holly if maybe her precious privacy was compromised by evil Ivy.
Existence of these factors doesn't mean people are incapable of saying no, or expressing displeasure or discomfort when they were coerced into doing something that caused them either of these feelings. If not to the person responsible, then to one's other friends. Not only Holly shows no signs of such reactions, but she also willingly participates in casual sex entirely on her own and without any input from Ivy. So i think it's reasonable to accept simple possibility her continuous participation is out of her own volition.
Stubbornness *and* very little interest in trying to see things from other person's point of view, or even showing any real interest in the feelings of those other people. Both Cindy and Alison are mostly concerned about what they want and the problems in their own lives. They expect to always be listened to, but rarely listening themselves.
Emma regularly tries to push her views of Seymour on Lena despite earlier disagreements, and she dislikes Lena disagreeing with her about it, to the point where it'll damage the relationship score. She'll similarly dislike it if Lena displays opinions on other subjects which don't match her own.
My argument is that the whole "corruption" thing is bullshit and the idea that Ivy shows Holly how to have fun in ways Holly hasn't experienced, and that Holly has the nerve to enjoy this experience, isn't really basis for any sort of hand-wringing how bad Ivy is for doing it. Holly isn't becoming a worse or "corrupted" person because she learns that casual sex is something she likes.
Really, enjoying casual sex makes Holly a "baddie"? Why would you say that?
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It's a bug, the game doesn't take into account a condition which should exclude that scene on the Trinity route.
"baddie" as in a compliment. Hot, confident, seductive, etc. Her general demeanor is already changing towards that in the corruption route, I never said it was wholly a bad thing, just that I don't respect how Ivy goes about it and that it could easily have ended as a bad thing.
The romance routes (specially with some points in holly_change) also show a Holly that is more in touch with her sexuality, it feels considerably more "casual" than the more hardcore fetishization of sexual acts in the corruption route. Let's not act like corruption route is just healthly "enjoying casual sex", it is much more about pushing Holly's sexual boundaries beyond its limits to cover for her insecurities after things don't work out with Ian.
For the rest, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I would not trust the wellbeing of a person looking into picking up some new habits to someone like Ivy because she simply won't listen while also being very pushy and self-assured with some pretty reckless methods, and she is uniquely more manipulative and judgemental compared to characters that aren't straight up bad guys. Lena losing RP points with Emma by disagreeing with her about Seymour means nothing for this argument until she starts treating Lena as an inferior person over that, in the same way Seymour treats Lena as inferior if she refuses to go along his bs and in the same way Ivy constantly treats Holly as an inferior woman for having less of a body-count.
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I kinda knew Ivy was popular with both patreons and F95 users but this whole "im going to drug my friends and people are still going to defend me" popularity is wild to me
The one and only the BBC queen,Ivy the VIPER
The one and only the BBC queen,Ivy the VIPER
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Yes. Closest she can do to him is blow him during the bet, they count that as just as a drunken game and fooling around (sure). But once Lena fucked him, she won't get into a serious relationship with Ian, since she slept with his friend.
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We are getting fucking Stan scenes before any real Ivy scene bro smh why must Eva cockblock me..
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After playing it around 20 times I finally somehow managed to get Ian and Cindy together. Not sure what choices I made to finally get there. She's a tough nut to crack.
Really, with the wild acclaim Arthur gets both here and from the patrons, you're surprised that drugging people into having sex could be less than capital offense for a character to commit?I kinda knew Ivy was popular with both patreons and F95 users but this whole "im going to drug my friends and people are still going to defend me" popularity is wild to me
EXACTLY!!! SAY NO TO CUCKERY. IT IS TIME FOR THE RISE OF SIGMAS!!!
The game dev should at the end of the story merge Lena and Ian where they have two heads, four arms and four legs, and basically become a mutated genghis khan and occur the world with the army of people they have slept with.
This game is so good that I want to play all the routes, so far I played Ian alpha, Ian alone, with Lena but I never got the cuckold
On the other hand, we do apparently have some Jeremy and some Stan action, which was also something that patreons wanted.