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- Aug 22, 2018
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Holly is adorable but they have barely done anything yet so i'll have to wait and see what happens.
I'd love Ivy as a LI, Jess was my fave from GGGB and they are similar, but we'll see.
It's just been a weak route so far. Lena isn't anywhere near as fleshed out or as interesting a character as Ash was and it does feel like Ian has the better group of people.
It suffers from multi protag syndrome in that the more protags there are the more watered down they feel.
GGGB had 1 and was completely open and all characters were really well done. It's not the games fault really, I just don't like Lena very much. Weird as a lesbo to prefer the male side of the game.
This reminds me a gameplay where I decided that Lena will have a fully commitment relationship with Louise (so fully loyalty with her, no other relationships, etc...) and surprise, in the last chapter it doesn't matter what I did because Lena out of nowhere rejects Louise and the game doesn't offer another option, it's the same result. I don't know... Maybe offer an option with the hearth icon to advance the relationship or at least an option that don't reject Louise (or at least put an option with an viable excuse or something similar)?
It's the same with the Ian x Holly path... In the first serious scene between them after Holly asks I missed an option to fully commit with her. It's all Ian excuses that he doesn't want start a relation again, he want to go slow, etc... Excuse me, I'm the player and I would be the one to make or not that choice, not Ian. I think that's a normal thing with a visual novel with decisions and the characters we control.
At the same time, which I don't understand, in another Ian routes you have fully commitment choices, for example with Alison... And even with Cindy, wich is a route more complex. But with Holly seems it's not the case. My favourite female character of the game and I cannot fully commit with Ian yet.
- Nov 22, 2020
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where is update,are we going at last for 1 update a year
- Nov 25, 2017
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From Eva Kiss' last Patreon update, it sounds like she's currently doing extensive bug testing and last minute technical fixes. So the revision will come out relatively soon, depending on how many bugs or issues there are. There will reportedly (courtesy of BloodyMares) be new scenes and changes to some old scenes, with timeline changes and updated art.
- Jun 14, 2017
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I know the revamp is going on but will the whole 9 revamped chapters be released in one go, or be spaced out like new releases?
Also, when is the approximate ETA?
Also, when is the approximate ETA?
Replace Axel with Billy. BBC MOTHAFAKA
- Feb 21, 2019
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My guess? Revamped 1 go, end of next month.
Chapter 10? September.
- Feb 7, 2018
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OMG, that's not the Eva we knew before chapters 3-4. After this things escalated heavily. Is it the multi protag problem or what is it?
- Mar 26, 2020
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Complex games are complex to made. That should be no surprise. That's the price to pay to have a game where different routes have actual consequences (and banging girl x and y have z reaction, not just going on as if both were separate routes).
I have no problem with updates being a bit more scarce than before, because the payoff is that much better too. Chapter 8 and 9 took more time but were among the best I've played in a VN. I'm very excited with the "remaster" too. It's gonna be fresh enough that it'll feel "new" to play. And I'm sure that time taken to wrap everything better has helped Eva with the narratives she wants to develop next.
- Feb 21, 2019
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She most likely doesn’t plan ahead so when the storyline gets bigger with more routes intertwine, she get writer’s block and burn out. Hence, rewrite, revamped, retcon whatever you wanna call so she can move forward. It’s gonna happen again eventually.
- Nov 15, 2020
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I like the fact that Lena (or Ian, for that matter) can make distinctly bad or immoral choices, but I prefer playing them as good characters at heart who just ends up making bad choices, rather than them just being… evil.
I think some of the current scenes belong more to the former category, and some to the latter. When Lena steals from the café or treats Stan badly, it feels like she's just being cruel; Stan didn't do that much to deserve it, and Ed and Molly haven't done anything aside from struggling to keep her hired because they don't make enough money. She seemingly does it because her conscience doesn't tell her otherwise.
It feels like the pleasure she takes from making Mike cheat, is linked to her anger with how Axel treated her, like some sort of coping mechanism. But that's not very present in how it's portrayed, so overall that also comes across as a bit conscienceless. I’m not sure how Lena would react if she ever met Mike’s girlfriend (which may or may not happen in the future), but it surely would make it harder to rationalize the fact that there’s a victim she’s hurting in the process.
Her involvement with Jeremy is a bit of both; at first she just ends up seeing him and Louise fuck, and the blowjob at Ivy's place also feels more like a person doing a shitty thing without neccessarily being a bad person. One thing leads to another, the limits are gradually pushed. But then she sneaks into Louise's room and is all "rise and shine, sir, I'm here to suck your dick," and seems pretty devoid of guilty conscience. The fact that she's trying to hide that and the blowjob from Ian, on the other hand, is easier to understand. You fuck up, don’t want to confront it, and instead end up getting tangled into a net of lies.
Still her sex scene with Axel, if she’s in a relationship with Ian, is probably the best example of a horrible action from a not necessarily horrible person (though the lack of consent in that scene makes Axel way worse than Lena). It’s a complete fuckup straight after she told Ian she wants to be with him, but she absolutely hates herself for it afterwards.
- Nov 25, 2017
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New development post from Eva Kiss today:
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Hello everybody,
I'm currently play-testing and reviewing chapters 8 and 9, the last bit left before tackling the final technical reworks and implementations. My goal is to be done with everything major at the end of the week, and release the Alpha as soon as we've made sure everything works as intended.
The current 9 chapters amount to 658k words written (to put into perspective, "A Storm of Swords", the longest book in G.R.R Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire", is estimated to be between 404k and 424k words long), so going over everything would take a crazy amount of time... That's why I didn't. I had in mind what scenes or threads needed to be reworked, and I'm also finding many things that could've been done better as I playtest the chapters. As I said, due to the developing cycle almost everything I put out is a first draft, and I find a lot of clumsy dialog or poorly implemented ideas or mechanics. But this revision has taken way too long and it's time to call it done.
Right now I'm overhauling the stat system: before, every 3 XP you'd earn a new level, now the progressions scales the higher your skill level is, so you'll be needing more XP to gain a new one. I'm also redefining how some menus are presented, to make the choice mechanics feel more integrated, and how many XP are awarded, and when.
I've also added a few new tracks to the game's soundtrack. Some of them have been composed especially for the game, while I licensed others that I've been finding and really enjoying. There are quite a few tracks that I wasn't able to get (some labels asked for up to $10.000 for just one track, others outright refused to license them). Negotiating these kind of things suck, but I believe a good soundtrack really adds to the experience. It's one of those things that was very crude and limited in GGGB, but now I'm happy to invest money so you will want to play the game without wanting to mute it. However, I haven't reached the point where I can spend $500 on a single track (much less $10.000)
Anyway, I'll keep working to finish all the remaining tasks and give you the new, polished version of ORS early this April. Hopefully I can do it with the invaluable help of Lara, BloodyMares and TheDarkFable, the team who's been helping me keeping ORS from falling apart.
The finish line is in sight! Talk to you soon!
- Dec 23, 2018
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I don't know if i like this change. Seems like will make more difficult and take more time to level up with the progression of the story. I hope at least will get more stats points available to compensate it.
- Dec 23, 2018
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Yeah, comparisons with Martin and taking ASOIAF as model also worrys me because is almost 100% sure that ASOIAF won't be finished. At least not for G.R.R Martin in this life.
- May 10, 2017
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- Nov 5, 2018
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I really hope, whether or not the revamp is great, the current version 0.9 Final will alwyas be available in the first post, for history.
- Apr 15, 2019
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Every time I read about the stat system, I get this cheeky grin, because I know at least one of my playthroughs is going to be an unrenpy'ed console cheated save just to see if the game breaks at the some point. That, and roleplay god.