VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Wallsfalldown]

This is a bad decision. Desperation reeks from that update.

I feel really bad for her, I do. Her ambition grew beyond her skill level and she bit off more than she could chew. She needs external help desperately.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

lol wow hahahahaha please... are you serious ? so now it's actually the "screamers" fault that after months of waiting and the update is nowhere near finished that she wants to release "half" of it to buy herself more time.... you're a regular laugh riot.

You have already been argued a thousand times why the development time has increased. They said the updates got bigger and bigger, more lines of code, more art, better graphics, a lot more work... You don't want to listen to anything.
Keep yelling about the "lazy developer". It's absolutely the fault of you whiners that she's releasing Episode 10 Part One instead of the full one in three months. Because crying kids want an update right now. Okay, cre more.

if it doesn't bother you to wait till you're old and can no longer have an erection then be my guest but that doesn't make it "okay".

Do you judge by yourself? Does that mean it will happen soon for you? Haha, I'm still too young for this to happen with me, boomer.

 

[Doppelgang]

Based on the context, it most likely means that only the drawings of Ian's path done. You don't need to reassure yourself. You will have to wait another 3-4 months for a full update, if not more.

Eva’s always done most of the work with the drawings early on in the development process—which seems necessary as the art then goes to the colourist before Eva lays the final touch on them. According to the status reports, she had completed 42 drawings a few weeks into the development cycle, and as the latest updates have had about 100 illustrations, I think it’s safe to assume that far more than 50 percent has been done by now.

I’m not trying to reassure myself or anyone else, I’m just looking at what we know and can make qualified guesses from. I think that’s more helpful than just throwing out a estimate and over-confidently acting like it’s some kind of undeniable fact.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

This is a bad decision. Desperation reeks from that update.

I feel really bad for her, I do. Her ambition grew beyond her skill level and she bit off more than she could chew. She needs external help desperately.

She already has a colorist for the art. I have the impression that Eva's biggest problem is writing. She needs a good writer to help with plot points where she's stuck and give fresh ideas.
Well, given the amount of art that is growing all the time, she needs another visual master. This is a 2D game and unfortunately the rendering computers are powerless here, as in many 3D novels.
And so I agree with many, the decision to split the game is bad.

 

[JoJoPool]

You have already been argued a thousand times why the development time has increased. They said the updates got bigger and bigger, more lines of code, more art, better graphics, a lot more work... You don't want to listen to anything.
Keep yelling about the "lazy developer". It's absolutely the fault of you whiners that she's releasing Episode 10 Part One instead of the full one in three months. Because crying kids want an update right now. Okay, cre more.


Do you judge by yourself? Does that mean it will happen soon for you? Haha, I'm still too young for this to happen with me, boomer.

i don't think she decided to do that because of the "whiners" but she's releasing it in parts because she feels guilty and doesn't want to make us wait anymore....
I'm crying ? no you're the one crying i'm just laughing... and if it upsets you so much then just don't play it and wait for Lena's part like a good boy. why are you blaming other people ??

boomer !!! hahahahah nope sorry just a struggling millenial

 

[CassidyPRO]

it looks like she wont do it.. too many ppl are against it... but damn.. that will be another5 months of waiting.. this got completly out of hand.. this game shouldnt have suchlong intervals.

 

[Deleted member 53157]

I think the people against the move 100% would not complain if it was Lena chapters before Ian.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

i don't think she's decided to do that because of the "whiners" but she's releasing it parts because she feels guilty and doesn't want to make us wait anymore....
I'm crying ? no you're the one crying i'm just laughing... and if it upsets you so much then just don't play it and wait for Lena's part like a good boy. why are you blaming other people ??

boomer !!! hahahahah nope sorry i'm just a young guy with cancer.

> You crying
> NOOO IT'S NOT ME ITS YOU CRYING!
Good line. Keep pretending it works
Who says I'm an upset? Splitting a game where the gameplay is based on two main characters is a bad idea, don't you understand that? They are story-bound together, how will they interact? Will it break history? Of course I will play this Part 1 and see what she has in mind for Episode 10 and how it all works.
Okay, so who is she feeling guilty about? Because people were rushing to release it. This "where's the update" circlejerking is going here on F95, I think it's the same on her Discord.

 

[JoJoPool]

> You crying
> NOOO IT'S NOT ME ITS YOU CRYING!
Good line. Keep pretending it works
Who says I'm an upset? Splitting a game where the gameplay is based on two main characters is a bad idea, don't you understand that? They are story-bound together, how will they interact? Will it break history? Of course I will play this Part 1 and see what she has in mind for Episode 10 and how it all works.
Okay, so who is she feeling guilty about? Because people were rushing to release it. This "where's the update" circlejerking is going here on F95, I think it's the same on her Discord.

go back and read the status report, she said "I hated feeling i'm taking too long" "i always feel like i'm lagging behind" "you guys deserve some content", it doesn't seem to me that it's because of the crying that she split it. so don't jump the gun and start pointing fingers.
I never said it was a good or bad idea i'll just have to wait and see, but i do feel relieved after reading the lastest report because it proved to me that Eva still cares about ORS.

 

[Arata20]

she said "I hated feeling i'm taking too long" "i always feel like i'm lagging behind" "you guys deserve some content", it doesn't seem to me that it's because of the crying that she split it

Very similar to


It seems to me that everything is much simpler. EK is afraid that due to such a long pause between updates, patrons will simply start to go away.

p.s. i guess my message will be deleted soon, because some people here like to complain about someone else's opinion

 

[atrebor68]

Very similar to
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It seems to me that everything is much simpler. EK is afraid that due to such a long pause between updates, patrons will simply start to go away.

p.s. i guess my message will be deleted soon, because some people here like to complain about someone else's opinion

Good point. In these months, how VN player, it’s better sustain fresh devs with ideas and frequently updates.

 

[Arata20]

Good point. In these months, how VN player, it’s better sustain fresh devs with ideas and frequently updates.

But unfortunately, quality of EK games is unattainable for fresh devs. After getting acquainted with GGGB, i never found a better game for myself. Even ORS is a few steps lower than the first EK game, even though the new game has a gorgeous art.

 

[neutral1]

Very sad to see this voyage "stuck on the rocks" with so little new content. I still stand by what I posted a year ago. The game would have been far better off if scenes were just independent of each other. No need to wink in Chapter 3 to get a BJ in Chapter 9 or whatever. Just have the player choose during the scene. Label scenes if you want ("a Lena & Mike Scene) Then the development would have been so much easier as the game went along, and the game would have advanced this year.

 

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[buttgoose]

Soon as the update comes out y'all will forget this conversation even happened.

 

[palmtrees89]

I've gotta agree with most peoples opinions on splitting the next chapter in half. It's a terrible idea, imo. This seems to be a new trend for VN's. I've seen it done in several games, and for every single one of them, the game got worse.

In the beginning you get entire days, episodes, chapters or whatever, where everything is fluid and connected, then suddenly the content is cut in half just to provide something for the supporters more frequently, while on the other hand slowing down on overall development speed. Then, instead of releasing half a day, half an episode, half a chapter, it's turning into even less, but again slightly more frequent updates in return, just to try and reduce the amount of time supporters have to wait for a release, while the overall development speed is slowing down once again. At some point you get event-based releases, which in the case of ORS would probably translate to 1 ingame-day.

This can ruin a game entirely as every release provides less content, less time to immerse yourself in the story. And it's not just that. Updates can be choppy and rushed, potentially feel completely disconnected to the previous or following ones, almost like you're playing multiple mini VN's with the same characters, not one whole game. This affects the creators aswell, as they are now focussing on small updates, making it harder to actually follow their own vision of what the game and it's story as a whole was supposed to be.

I'm not saying that's what ORS is turning into, but it seems like Eva's made the first step in a direction which's sole reason is to please the so called screamers on her Patreon page. If it was for a different VN I had said sure, atleast some content instead of endless months or even year(s) of nothingness, but I think for Eva and ORS that's not something I'd personally want to happen. Atleast not yet, as I'm still hopeful for this great game.

I hope it's just this one time, because it seems even on Patreon people are mostly against it. I'm not sure why Eva believes that this is what people want. I mean sure, there's probably a handful of supporter who love this idea, but it's not benefitting the game, at all. Yes, development has been really slow, but this can't be the solution.

 

[Brazilian Engrish]

Just this chapter. Let the woman try this split shit just this ch. Or you can wait and play ch10 in christmas.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

If splitting the routes into 2 separate releases will decrease wait times and more importantly help her manage the workload better then I say it's the right decision. I think it seems to be Eva is increasingly finding it harder and harder to put out each update. So, I say whatever she needs to do to move forward and not constantly getting overloaded and writer's block is a good thing

 

[RoxTheVile]

Holy fuck y'all are insufferable. If the patrons are fine with it, you got no say in it unless you're a patron. In that case, speak with your wallet. This is just unhealthy.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

She already has a colorist for the art. I have the impression that Eva's biggest problem is writing. She needs a good writer to help with plot points where she's stuck and give fresh ideas.
Well, given the amount of art that is growing all the time, she needs another visual master. This is a 2D game and unfortunately the rendering computers are powerless here, as in many 3D novels.
And so I agree with many, the decision to split the game is bad.

With how much she's admitted to struggling with writing and the constant going back to redo things I would agree with your assessment. I don't think it's the art itself that slows down her production rate, it's the writing. I think the struggles in writing comes from the incredibly complex plot she has made for herself and the dual protagonists. I know she set her sights high but honestly I think she could've used a lot of the simple fetishes/plots from GGGB as inspiration instead of getting so caught up in wanting ORS to be "better" and "unique." Those goals weren't necessarily bad but it seems she's pushing it too much. Like her changing the Billy character and other dialogue changes to differentiate it from GGGB and tone down that particular fetish from other games when imo it wasn't necessary and created more work where she could've simplified it.