VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[fortuna95]

Get back in ur cave and hibernate !!!! FFS

https://f95zone.to/threads/cave-party-v-0-0-2-shmuha.127062/

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

What is exactly what I said in my former post. That it is in the eye of the beholder how we see several characters in ORS, because we all play the game differently. The member I discussed with had a run with a nice Cindy, while the Cindy in my run was a person you could be glad she is someone else´problem.

Yeah. I was just re-emphasizing your point, not disagreeing. The statement was directed elsewhere.

 

[desmosome]

As I said, eyes of the beholder, because in my main Playthrough, what happened in your playthrough is not the case in mine! In my playthrough, even accounting for Wade´s laziness, Cindy comes across as very opinionated and shallow. She laps up even the flimsiest lies, which would even get Louise and Ivy go "WTF". After my Ian giving Wade a metaphorical kick in the ass about the situation of his relationship, he really tries to repair it. Only for Cindy running to Axel again on the day where Wade has a one-time chance to win a major tournament, which is the big chance to get his grove back.
In your main run of ORS, Cindy might be rather nice, but in mine it becomes clear soon, that it is great that she is Wade´s problem to solve and not yours!
That shows quite well, how much work goes into ORS, the differences what choices we make bring about serious variants of what is happening!

I never did the route where you try to fix Wade x Cindy, but she does come across as high maintenance in all routes I've tried. Maybe not very high maintenance, but definitely one of those girls. The other guy jumped at you to defend her honor, I guess, but her character is canonically written to be a bit high maintenance. She is a bit spoiled. On the posh side. A bit selfish. An attention seeker. But all of these to a not quite pathological degree.

What Night Hacker probably didn't consider is that you can be a bit high maintenance and still be a good person/girlfriend. My ex is a bit like that. People are not so black and white. People have strenghts and flaws to various degrees. The Wade x Cindy relationship is such a nuanced depiction of a couple that is slowly stagnating. They both contribute to it, and you can empathize with both of them. It's some good writing.

 

[Turret]

What Night Hacker probably didn't consider is that you can be a bit high maintenance and still be a good person/girlfriend. My ex is a bit like that. People are not so black and white. People have strenghts and flaws to various degrees. The Wade x Cindy relationship is such a nuanced depiction of a couple that is slowly stagnating. They both contribute to it, and you can empathize with both of them. It's some good writing.

My Grandfather always said that a relationship is on a good road if both love each other DESPITE their flaws, less just BECAUSE they love each other. And I agree with him. Only if you can accept or shoulder the flaws you see in your spouse it has the chance to grow long and old. Because in rough times, how we handle our flaws has more impact than just our love. The flaws (real or imagined) are the sandpaper, how you both deal with it makes or breaks a relationship.

 

[DDDIsReal]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

 

[jcbchris]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

Is that true? i'm starting to lose hope and frankly get frustated for not getting any update for so long.

 

[mr.hong]

Is that true? i'm starting to lose hope and frankly get frustated for not getting any update for so long.

According to dev's undate news, It will be updated in 2022. Maybe....?

 

[KingNtr++]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

yep , some supporter is foolish .
i'm support her since GGGB ....
But now I feel that eva manages the development time. The past few months have been noticed to be spent mostly playing around and asking friends or other developers to fix their work for help periodically. until the moment eva starts to get serious about work Why not succeed? For example, "Your boss ordered the work to be completed within 4-5 months. But you started working really hard. in the past 2 months And the result was not smooth and lost a lot of credit.”

 

[jimul18]

A thought about the latest poll and the endless discussion about the "supporting/simping/milking" debate:

What is the actual downside of releasing the Ian part early?

- It would satisfy at least some of the people that are complaining about the long wait. After the release there would be less of that but still some debate if the update is good or not. However the latter can't be stopped anyway and those people are always going to complain.
- It might encourage some people to re-up their patronage who have been discouraged over the last couple of months.

- And for those who want a complete update with both the Ian and Lena part very little changes. They still have to wait. Probably a couple of months + a few weeks that the release of the Ian-part would take up (which as EK mentioned is mostly done anyway, it would just require some polish to make it playable in an Alpha state, although I would think that it could be released with the caveat that old saves won't work untill the full release).

Nothing changes for those who want to wait for the full release as long as they are disciplined enough to not play the "half-release", it might even result in a better experience the the Ian part could already be revised/improved through feedback.

 

[dolfe67]

A thought about the latest poll and the endless discussion about the "supporting/simping/milking" debate:

What is the actual downside of releasing the Ian part early?

- It would satisfy at least some of the people that are complaining about the long wait. After the release there would be less of that but still some debate if the update is good or not. However the latter can't be stopped anyway and those people are always going to complain.
- It might encourage some people to re-up their patronage who have been discouraged over the last couple of months.

- And for those who want a complete update with both the Ian and Lena part very little changes. They still have to wait. Probably a couple of months + a few weeks that the release of the Ian-part would take up (which as EK mentioned is mostly done anyway, it would just require some polish to make it playable in an Alpha state, although I would think that it could be released with the caveat that old saves won't work untill the full release).

Nothing changes for those who want to wait for the full release as long as they are disciplined enough to not play the "half-release", it might even result in a better experience the the Ian part could already be revised/improved through feedback.

The downside is if you follow the game (discord/forums) you have to unfollow it to avoid spoilers for a few months

 

[_Zebra_]

although I would think that it could be released with the caveat that old saves won't work untill the full release)

Why wouldn't old saves work? There are only 2 situations when an older save won't work.
1. A new chapter is released, you play the alpha version and save at the end. Time goes on, another chapter is released and you try to use your alpha save, without thinking that the final version might have changed something.
2. Let's say that you have a save for chapter 9, but Eva announces that she had to change something that happened in a previous chapter(ch7). In this case, the variables from your save file won't be compatible with the new ones, hence, old saves won't work.

So yeah, unless you try to use a pre-remastered save, your files should work.

Nothing changes for those who want to wait for the full release as long as they are disciplined enough to not play the "half-release", it might even result in a better experience the the Ian part could already be revised/improved through feedback.

Something does change. It's not a matter of discipline for those that don't want to play the first part. I am sure quite a few people would be capable of that. It's more a matter of discipline for everyone else, to not discuss about the new content. In the end, you need to choose: live under a rock until Lena part is release and avoid everything (patreon, discord, this thread) or play the new release.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what are the pros and cons of releasing Ians part first. The people have voted and unless Eva will say in the next progress update (those posts should be renamed from weekly into progress) that she's going to release it anyway, we won't see any new content in the near future.

 

[Deleted member 5223688]

Man, Eva really fucked up with that poll. Allowing a certain group of patreons (those that want to wait for both Ian's and Lena's POVs) to gatekeep content for the other one (those that want content asap) is one of the stupidest things I've seen. It's like a kindergarden level of what you should never, ever do as an author.

There is objectively no reason to do it, as people who don't want their content split for this one (and only one) particular update, could simply wait for the whole thing. If I was a patreon, and she decided to follow the results from that vote - I would unsub immediately while also saying "fuck you" to anyone who voted against the release.

There is one thing when you have to wait for something, because the author you are paying money to is taking his/hers time to do the job. It can be annoying, but you are dealing ONLY WITH THE PERSON YOU ARE PAYING MONEY TO. But being denied content/value for your money, because of other subscribers' decision, that you do not give a fuck about - is a completely different matter.

Seems like she's fucking up not just on the writing/project handling side, but also her business side. We'll see if there are some significant consequences if she decides to not release Ian's part separately, but fuck me if it's not a huge risk she took for no reason whatsoever.

 

[KingNtr++]

Let release chapter 10 in 2023 eva Good luck

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

Sooo when the next update comes out this game is a zombie?!?

Since each chapter makes the game more complex (more choices = more routes/possibilities/outcomes), the workload goes up. So the developer needs more time to finish. Alternatives being the chapters become shorter each time (not desirable) or Eva hires people to help with the game. That only works out for her if her patron numbers significantly go up (otherwise she loses money) and bears the risk they don't work well together.

 

[applesnacks1111]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

You're completely wrong and your inability to see that suggests you're trolling (in which case, nice), or *insert insult to intelligence here*.

Eva's already created a completed game. A completed game that's recognized as one of the best on this site, with some of the best characters, story, and art. She's pretty hardworking, diligent, and talented as hell. Is this me white knighting her? I don't know, I don't think so, you just have to recognize she's good at her job.

Development is a complicated beast, and if you expect it to be linear, prepare to be disappointed (like you currently are). Early chapters are easy - you develop 5 scenes, include a few choices that don't affect much, and everyone's happy. But late chapters are HARD. They're not linear, they're exponential in how the workload grows.

What I mean is, imagine it's now chapter 10, and Eva wants to create some content for 5 specific paths, plus some general content everyone sees. So chapter 10 requires SIX TIMES the work of chapter 1, which just had the one path to follow. So, Eva should actually take SIX TIMES as long to complete the update. That's not milking, that's math.

Naturally she won't take 6 times as long because she'll find ways to be efficient and each given path in chapter 10 won't be as long as the whole of chapter 1, but you get what I'm saying. The workload gets bigger and bigger as the paths grow and branch off.

There's really nothing to suggest that she's milking, since she's actively working on it. Also, how can the game be dead when she's updating her progress regularly?

I get people have been burned by developers before, but I see a game still being actively developed - it's just a problem of workload vs. single dev capacity.

 

[Hoey]

"It's been a year daddy"

 

[ArcherHades46]

However, what kind of discussion has been started here, guys, what is there about the announcement? When are we waiting for the version from Eva?

 

[JoJoPool]

Sooo when the next update comes out this game is a zombie?!?

Since each chapter makes the game more complex (more choices = more routes/possibilities/outcomes), the workload goes up. So the developer needs more time to finish. Alternatives being the chapters become shorter each time (not desirable) or Eva hires people to help with the game. That only works out for her if her patron numbers significantly go up (otherwise she loses money) and bears the risk they don't work well together.

A few said that she makes enough to hire 2 or 3 people for help so i doubt money is an issue... maybe she can't find someone good enough or she prefers to work alone, i don't know

 

[HolyMolly]

Guys I think it's time to make a petition for Good Girl Gone Bad 2.

Seriosuly the dev process was so much smoother because it was much more simple (in a good way) by focusing on 1 thing, doing it good and that's it. Updates were regular and frequent with great amount of content, no bs.

ORS has been a trainwreck, it's just trying to do too much of everything and I personnaly don't even think it's great by the end... it lacks the crazyness of GGGB and don't allow the player to fully immerse into 1 MC decisions etc + abysmal updates because it's probably a nightmare to progress all that extra complexity

I hope Eva keep making games but ngl ORS kinda sucks

 

[JoJoPool]

Guys I think it's time to make a petition for Good Girl Gone Bad 2.

Seriosuly the dev process was so much smoother because it was much more simple (in a good way) by focusing on 1 thing, doing it good and that's it. Updates were regular and frequent with great amount of content, no bs.

ORS has been a trainwreck, it's just trying to do too much of everything and I personnaly don't even think it's great by the end... it lacks the crazyness of GGGB and don't allow the player to fully immerse into 1 MC decisions etc + abysmal updates because it's probably a nightmare to progress all that extra complexity

I hope Eva keep making games but ngl ORS kinda sucks

I agree for the most part, if things don't get better i think it's best to abandon ORS (after Stan gets laid of course) and start a new much simpler game. But i rather it be a completely new and fresh game than it being GGGB 2