VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[JohnnyKiss]

Okay, let me rephrase that then: You’re wrong. I see you cut out the part where I explain it, and don’t offer any arguments yourself for why they’re blank slates.

Playing as a character with very little and a very generic background history (like Ashley) gives different possibilities and limitations than when they do in fact have a pretty well developed background history (Ian and Lena). That background and their existing character traits can take them in vastly different directions, depending on which of their *existing*, conflicting character traits you choose to focus on (Lena works three jobs, takes care of her parents, and acts as emotional support and/or as a diplomat for her friends … but she’s also a nymphomaniac). But that still doesn’t make them blank slates.

It's pretty simple; neither of them have set personalities.

You can make Ian a writer of different genres, an MMA fighter or a Judo fighter, he can be a "nice guy" that doesn't cheat on his girlfriend or someone who sleeps around like a "Chad", he can be someone who trains a lot so he can have stamina for hours while having sex or someone who can't get it up because he is still insecure over his break-up and etc. You get the point.

Same for Lean. She can be an inspiring musician, a model, waitress, she can be mean or nice to random people in the gym, she can be obsessed with her ex and eventually fall back into his clutches or stay strong and move forward.

This is a choice-based game, those stats like "Wisdom", "Lust", "Charisma" and whatnot are there precisely for this very reason; for you to shape these two the way you want them to be.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Okay, let me rephrase that then: You’re wrong. I see you cut out the part where I explain it, and don’t offer any arguments yourself for why they’re blank slates.

Playing as a character with very little and a very generic background history (like Ashley) gives different possibilities and limitations than when they do in fact have a pretty well developed background history (Ian and Lena). That background and their existing character traits can take them in vastly different directions, depending on which of their *existing*, conflicting character traits you choose to focus on (Lena works three jobs, takes care of her parents, and acts as emotional support and/or as a diplomat for her friends … but she’s also a nymphomaniac). But that still doesn’t make them blank slates.

Agreed. They're malleable by design. But they come into the game with their own distinct personalities, wounds and problems already. We just get to choose which of several paths they take and which potential aspects, lying dormant in themselves, they grow into. Just like IRL where life decisions can have a very strong impact on one's future path and self. But these aren't blank slates and anyone who thinks they are either doesn't know what the term means or is using it incorrectly. Ashley was much more of a blank slate form, at least for all intents and purposes game-design-wise, though not 100%.
Innocent, inexperienced and devoid of much of any unique history.

 

[ExplainLikeImForeign]

The hell happened to the Evakiss? Are they taking a break or did covid hit hard?

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

If only we had elderly man.

Way more spice with that route.

I think Ed fits the bill. Not sure if it's going to lead to anything/anywhere tho.

 

[Bishop Robert]

I think Ed fits the bill. Not sure if it's going to lead to anything/anywhere tho.

Too young but still a good addition.

 

[RoboticCatDogHybrid]

The hell happened to the Evakiss? Are they taking a break or did covid hit hard?

A bad case of the lazytitis my bro, but think we'll get the new chapter by December.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

distinct personalities

What distinct personalities do Lena and Ian have?

 

[Jugovic]

A bad case of the lazytitis my bro, but think we'll get the new chapter by December.

I think ICSTOR has the same disease

 

[sking1234]

when will be next release?

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

What distinct personalities do Lena and Ian have?

OK. It's easy.
Base Ian at the start is an ordinary guy, he is rather modest and a little shy. He lacks self-confidence and has severe PTSD after breaking up with Gillian. Which, quite likely, was his only partner. He is not as shy as Holly (there is a disaster in general), but there are problems with self-esteem.
Basic Lena. She is an open, moderately relaxed and confident girl in her sexuality. It is not a problem for her to pose naked for a photo shoot and she does not feel problems when she goes on a date with, for example, Robert or Ian. She had already done sexually depraved things with Axel and he was most likely not her only one. She does not suffer like Ian from a breakup, on the contrary, she wants to get away from this relationship and turn the page. But has problems with stalking from the ex.
The contrast between them is very strong. We can conclude that at the start, Ian is not from Lena's league.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

OK. It's easy.
Base Ian at the start is an ordinary guy, he is rather modest and a little shy. He lacks self-confidence and has severe PTSD after breaking up with Gillian. Which, quite likely, was his only partner. He is not as shy as Holly (there is a disaster in general), but there are problems with self-esteem.
Basic Lena. She is an open, moderately relaxed and confident girl in her sexuality. It is not a problem for her to pose naked for a photo shoot and she does not feel problems when she goes on a date with, for example, Robert or Ian. She had already done sexually depraved things with Axel and he was most likely not her only one. She does not suffer like Ian from a breakup, on the contrary, she wants to get away from this relationship and turn the page. But has problems with stalking from the ex.
The contrast between them is very strong. We can conclude that at the start, Ian is not from Lena's league.

These are not "distinc personalities", these are, like you said "Base stats". A starting point for the characters.

Ian starts off insecure after his break-up but that insecurity can literally vanish over 2 in-game choices.

Same can be said for Lena. She starts of as someone under Axel's influence but over 2 in-game choices you can make her grow out of it.

You are mistaking the challenges the game presents for the players to overcome as personalities of the playable characters.

Lena and Ian already being in relationships and breaking them up even before the game starts is no different than Ashley already being in a relationship with her boyfriend at the start of GGGB.

Both games give you a starting point which then you can mold into whatever you want.

Both games put you into interesting situations and let you navigate the way you see fit.

 

[dolfe67]

These are not "distinc personalities", these are, like you said "Base stats". A starting point for the characters.

Ian starts off insecure after his break-up but that insecurity can literally vanish over 2 in-game choices.

Same can be said for Lena. She starts of as someone under Axel's influence but over 2 in-game choices you can make her grow out of it.

You are mistaking the challenges the game presents for the players to overcome as personalities of the playable characters.

Lena and Ian already being in relationships and breaking them up even before the game starts is no different than Ashley already being in a relationship with her boyfriend at the start of GGGB.

Both games give you a starting point which then you can mold into whatever you want.

Both games put you into interesting situations and let you navigate the way you see fit.

What is not a blank slate for you? The characters in stories which have no choices at all?

 

[JohnnyKiss]

What is not a blank slate for you? The characters in stories which have no choices at all?

All of the Non-Player Characters in this games are "not a blank slate". They are characters with set characteristics and personalities from which you bounce of your player character.

Wade is a Gamer who stopped taking care of himself.

Perry is a stuttering and insecure stoner-nerd.

Stan is your "tip my fedora to you, lady" shut-in pervert.

Holly is the shy nerd girl who is insecure about her appearance but is also easily influenced by others.

You get the idea.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

These are not "distinc personalities", these are, like you said "Base stats". A starting point for the characters.

Ian starts off insecure after his break-up but that insecurity can literally vanish over 2 in-game choices.

Same can be said for Lena. She starts of as someone under Axel's influence but over 2 in-game choices you can make her grow out of it.

You are mistaking the challenges the game presents for the players to overcome as personalities of the playable characters.

Lena and Ian already being in relationships and breaking them up even before the game starts is no different than Ashley already being in a relationship with her boyfriend at the start of GGGB.

Both games give you a starting point which then you can mold into whatever you want.

Both games put you into interesting situations and let you navigate the way you see fit.

I described exactly what I meant. "Basic states" is the state of personalities and temperament of our main characters, in which they are at the start of the game. And the fact that they are very different from each other is obvious from the point of view of human psychology.

It's strange that you said that there is no difference between Ian/Lena and Ashley. But at the same time, you pointed out the differences that Ian / Lena are free, and Ashley is in a relationship. I'm not even talking about the difference in personalities.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

I described exactly what I meant. "Basic states" is the state of personalities and temperament of our main characters, in which they are at the start of the game. And the fact that they are very different from each other is obvious from the point of view of human psychology.

It's strange that you said that there is no difference between Ian/Lena and Ashley. But at the same time, you pointed out the differences that Ian / Lena are free, and Ashley is in a relationship. I'm not even talking about the difference in personalities.
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What in the actual fuck are you talking about? This whole conversation is about their personalities...

Lena and Ian aren't in a relationship but can be in one as the game progress which is no different than Ashley who was in a relationship but you can guide her into not being in one.

This is a rather simple concept to grasp. You are given a freedom of choice to mold these blank slates into characters

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? This whole conversation is about their personalities...

Lena and Ian aren't in a relationship but can be in one as the game progress which is no different than Ashley who was in a relationship but you can guide her into not being in one.

This is a rather simple concept to grasp. You are given a freedom of choice to mold these blank slates into characters

Okay man. It seems that you and I were talking about slightly different concepts and ideas.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Okay man. It seems that you and I were talking about slightly different concepts and ideas.

I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, you were talking about character being "blank slates" as in they didn't have any previous experiences from their previous relationships or whatnot, while I'm talking about them being "blank slates" as in their personalities.

To me it seems you think Ian and Lena's histories of previous relationship is what bars them from being "blank slates" while the same not being the case for Ashley because she didn't have any previous relationships, correct?

 

[popple]

i'm surprised to read some debate about the story in this game : as an adult game, it's turning into something too serious... GGGB was not a serious game : it was about sex only, and that was great, because you can let your own fantasies interact... with this "serious" game, the player is less concerned. i check this topic only to see if a new upgrade is published, but i've stopped playing a long time ago. i think EK has lost the goal of this kind of entertainment for the majority of its players.

 

[Nifferman]

OK. It's easy.
Base Ian at the start is an ordinary guy, he is rather modest and a little shy. He lacks self-confidence and has severe PTSD after breaking up with Gillian. Which, quite likely, was his only partner. He is not as shy as Holly (there is a disaster in general), but there are problems with self-esteem.
Basic Lena. She is an open, moderately relaxed and confident girl in her sexuality. It is not a problem for her to pose naked for a photo shoot and she does not feel problems when she goes on a date with, for example, Robert or Ian. She had already done sexually depraved things with Axel and he was most likely not her only one. She does not suffer like Ian from a breakup, on the contrary, she wants to get away from this relationship and turn the page. But has problems with stalking from the ex.
The contrast between them is very strong. We can conclude that at the start, Ian is not from Lena's league.

Actually you are wrong Alex was Lena first and only before the game they started dating when she was 8teen

 

[chipsiup]

The hell happened to the Evakiss? Are they taking a break or did covid hit hard?

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