ffive

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hmm, it is quite obvious that such things are revealed in the process of dating.
They've asked how you learn this before you start dating. Because the whole point was supposedly that one should not date former cheaters. If you need to date a former cheater in order to learn they've cheated then, well, the ship has already sailed on the "you should not date former cheaters" thing.
 
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m4pII

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But sure, Cindy, once she breaks up with Wade after a lackluster relationship, who will enjoy Ian's companionship and likely find a rekindled love and spark in her life, will then "OBVIOUSLY" cheat on him with Perry, then Lena, then Stan, who will marry her and have 12 kids, according to your "obvious" branch of logic.
I do not want to disassemble this naivety about sincere love and pink ponies.
But I can say for sure that on one of the routes, she will cheat on him with Axel.

And for the record, I'm 30, have had some serious relationships before yet have broken up mutually and by no means were the partners I was with cheated on me, thank ya much.
Hmm, maybe you solved the problem as adults because both of you didn't cheat on anyone in a previous relationship? logics?
 

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They've asked how you learn this before you start dating. Because the whole point was supposedly that one should not date former cheaters. If you need to date a former cheater in order to learn they've cheated then, well, the ship has already sailed on the "you should not date former cheaters" thing.
hmm, casual dating and exclusive relationships are two different things. All this needs to be learned during the dating.
 

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All the people responding to what I said by summarizing it as "once a cheater always a cheater". Which I never said, in fact I was making the case that you can't know if they will or will not cheat again. Of course people can genuinely change, but it is not the responsibility of other people to make that assessment. If I see someone who has cheated on someone, I don't know whether they will do it again so why would I risk that. It's not like cheating is a vice anyone can just fall into. It require you to actively ignore the boundaries of the person you are supposed to be closest to you. With the exception of abuse cases, cheating is always a malicious act. Why would you want to date someone who has shown that kind of moral character and how could you ever truly know they wouldn't do it again?
 

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I do not want to disassemble this naivety about sincere love and pink ponies.
But I can say for sure that on one of the routes, she will cheat on him with Axel.
And where is your proof on that she will? Again, your making an assumption of a possible outcome and trying SO hard to make it out to be fact when it's not.

Good try, good effort. 3/10, would not tell this joke again.

Nice talk.
 

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All the people responding to what I said by summarizing it as "once a cheater always a cheater". Which I never said, in fact I was making the case that you can't know if they will or will not cheat again. Of course people can genuinely change, but it is not the responsibility of other people to make that assessment. If I see someone who has cheated on someone, I don't know whether they will do it again so why would I risk that. It's not like cheating is a vice anyone can just fall into. It require you to actively ignore the boundaries of the person you are supposed to be closest to you. With the exception of abuse cases, cheating is always a malicious act. Why would you want to date someone who has shown that kind of moral character and how could you ever truly know they wouldn't do it again?
Agree. Cindy hasn't cheated on Wade till NOW, when her life is unfullied and is wanting to experience joys and life and do things in her life. Granted, their relationship is already rocky, but either once they have patched things up or the both of them part ways mutually, or possibly with some encouragement on Ian if he is very interested in her, she won't feel the need to "always cheat" going forward.
 

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hmm, casual dating and exclusive relationships are two different things. All this needs to be learned during the dating.
And you think someone is going to just tell you they've cheated in their previous relationship(s) during casual dating? That's, frankly, rather naive. Or our ideas of casual dating differ quite a bit.
 
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And you think someone is going to just tell you they've cheated in their previous relationship(s) during casual dating? That's, frankly, rather naive.
I wrote somewhere that someone will say this?
it is quite obvious that such things are revealed in the process of dating. Before you start a serious exclusive relationship, you need to get to know your partner well. Who are her friends, family relationships, former relationships, how she behaves in stressful situations, how she solves problems, etc.
 

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I wrote somewhere that someone will say this?
Right, and am saying that expecting to learn some of this knowledge at casual stage of relationship (if ever) is overly optimistic. Some of this stuff may take months if not years, so at the end of the day that's the amount of time you've spent on a relationship with a supposed "always cheater" not worthy of your attention, anyway.
 

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prerogative*

Do you know forgiveness and redemption Mr 200 IQ? Once a cheater always a cheater, hmm? I hope you're a saint and never wronged in your life or you're a fucking hypocrite.
Sorry I wrote that message while taking a dump, please excuse my minor spelling mistake.

About me being a saint or a sinner. I have definetly made mistakes and wronged people before. I don't think anything I have done rises to level of narcissism displayed by cheaters who willingly violated their partners boundaries, but even if I did my stance wouldn't change. I would take responsibility for the mistake I made and woulnd't expect someone to want to date me after I cheated on someone else.
 
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Idk, if I dated someone and this girl was asking all the intimate details about me from my relatives or friends without me being there or without asking me first, that would be a serious red flag for me. Trust goes both ways. If you're so paranoid about your partner being a cheater that you can't trust them to have boundaries (whether to talk or not to talk about one's ex is a personal choice that depends on willingness to open up) and need to constantly sniff around their secrets to calm down, I wouldn't trust that person because clearly there are some personal issues with self-esteem that I can't really help with, so better to spare everyone from disappointment and move separate ways.

The fact is, you can't control whether a person is a potential cheater or not (unless they have that reputation or something). No amount of controlling will help with that. The best tactics to avoid cheating is to be a good partner and show trust. If they have a good time with you, they won't want to risk it for some fresh excitement. And even if they do end up cheating, it's not like it's the end of the world. Not all relationships are meant to be.

So basically don't be like Wade or Axel, do the best thing to keep the initial spark that helped the relationship bloom in the first place, like Ian being supportive of Cindy's self-discovery, as well as not giving up on personal aspirations that Cindy is empowered by. Keep things fresh and exciting, and she won't want to leave or cheat with the first self-absorbed playboy. Sure, Axel may scratch her ego and uplift her modeling aspirations, but does he care about her emotions and well-being? Does he care about her as a person? Not really. And that's why Ian will be more valuable to her than any Axel, because he can read her like an open book and help her become the best version of herself with his careful and beautiful writing.
 

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Idk, if I dated someone and this girl was asking all the intimate details about me from my relatives or friends without me being there or without asking me first, that would be a serious red flag for me. Trust goes both ways. If you're so paranoid about your partner being a cheater that you can't trust them to have boundaries (whether to talk or not to talk about one's ex is a personal choice that depends on willingness to open up) and need to constantly sniff around their secrets to calm down, I wouldn't trust that person because clearly there are some personal issues with self-esteem that I can't really help with, so better to spare everyone from disappointment and move separate ways.
Nobody ever talked about stalking and paranoia. Stop with the "insecurity" shit.
By observing the relationship dynamics in her family and what kind of relationship she has with her father, you can understand what you can expect in a relationship with her.
If all of her girlfriends are not in a relationship, go to the club every week, have girl nights, and sleep with a new dude every week, that's a red flag. She is who she is friends with.
If he does not like to discuss problems in a relationship - a red flag.
etc.
Yes, it takes years, but these are basic things for something serious.

The fact is, you can't control whether a person is a potential cheater or not (unless they have that reputation or something). No amount of controlling will help with that. The best tactics to avoid cheating is to be a good partner and show trust. If they have a good time with you, they won't want to risk it for some fresh excitement. And even if they do end up cheating, it's not like it's the end of the world. Not all relationships are meant to be.
Naturally, you cannot control cheating.
Naturally, you need to be a good boyfriend and not "give a reason."
But at the same time, you don't have to be naive and believe that cheating depends on whether you're a good boyfriend or not.

Sure, Axel may scratch her ego and uplift her modeling aspirations, but does he care about her emotions and well-being? Does he care about her as a person? Not really. And that's why Ian will be more valuable to her than any Axel, because he can read her like an open book and help her become the best version of herself with his careful and beautiful writing.
Sorry, but this is naivety.
 
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