SerHawkes

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I am waiting for Ivy scene. Too bad that one of the best girl in the game doesn't have scene (only lesbian scene, which I have no interest in). (T_T)
Welcome to the fucking Church of the Holy Virgin Ivy.

The pain is real. The fact alone that we are going into Year 4 of developement and we have not even had Ian properly hook up with Ivy is dumbfounding, absurd, reeks of complete and utter bullshit. Then again, EK really loves the fetish money and caters to her fans and their bullshit over characters who actual fucking DESERVE proper screen time with Ian (Talking about Emma too guys, love that thick time gal), not to mention Lena gets to fuck every character, male or female, or will, possibly but Ian? Nah... Can't/Won't have him hook up with Natalie, might have a one time thing with Bad Girl Jess, that hot Shop Clerk? Forget about it. Only Lena gets all the sex while Ian gets the perverbal shaft over and over in proper content.
 
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Slick Bean

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There are two sides of the coin and two different ways to go about subverting expectations:
One way is to do to the vilain what goes on with Seymour: the guy treats Lena as his personal sex doll,
but all dolls have expiration dates on how much you indulge, as someone who can just command Lena or Axel,
yeeah - Axel the Lena cheater and abuser is just a tool for Seymour - to fkk in front of him just like that.
Such a powerful man with this kind of fetish - command the way people deliver his entertainment,
he has way more refined and lavish means of getting high- the rush of adrenaline to his heart,
other than simple sex or some broad performing sexual acts on him the way she knows how,
as opposed to the way he likes to see things get done.

I kinda expected he would done more after Lena declined him for a third time
I'm kinda surprised about that, since most powerful people I know don't take no for an answer and will do anything to make someone live even more miserable if they keep going against them.
This is the way many shows subvert expectations - stop the narrative flow of our minds filling the expectations
with our own opinions of how the story would continue or the plot would build and dissolve tension.
Good shows do not destroy the whole charcater arc of the protagonist or the antagonist, they
simply derail or detour their paths in order to show other novel activities or ideas that animate them,
different than what the audience would expect based on those charcaters track records.
I would disagree with that last bit, i.e. in a superhero or action movie you expect the hero to defeat the evildoers, the excitement comes from seeing how it happens, not in seeing it subverted. In a romcom, the expectation is for the would-be lovers to get together in the end, not for the counterpart to prevail over the protagonist and get the girl.
A super hero could win even if the vilain escapes capture but the activity gets stopped or disrupted or the victims get
saved - the hero is still on top if any of those conditions meet in the end, it does not have to be all of them.

A vilain could finish the story arc quiting in the middle of the deed and be shown either go about starting another
con in a different area, leave it all behind and just get a normal boring job, without the final confrontation being
a defeat or a retribution for the bad deeds.

In this game, Karma could be just as swift as Seymour finding another hobby,
Axxel getting axxed by Seymour as retaliation because he broke Lena and he cannot use her any more,
many things can be the solution dev be finding to steer clear of what we would see ourselves
in the continuation of this game.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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I think EK is attempting to reenact the sad Eric from GGGB but does it really works? The number combinations available now are big enough. The obvious cuck Ian fans are running with a slut Lena indeed but just like you said, the current game doesn't force it that way. Lena can be totally faithful to Ian while denying Ian from sex.
In my cuck Ian play through Lena is getting on with Mike,Axel and Jeremy while denying Ian at all times with the cuck variable, but Ian is having his fun times with Emma, Alison, Cindy and Minerva :WaitWhat:
Sad doormat Eric and callous bitch Ashley ending the cuck route was one of the worst things about the first game for me. But that's beside the point.

You're right though that no, It doesn't work or make any sense in routes where Ian is either banging 1+ other girls or has otherwise been more than capable and eager in bed with Lena up to the path choices in chapters 10 and 11 that trigger the route. And a sweet-up-until-that-point Lena who is suddenly entirely callous and dom after experimenting with a small amount of teasing is weird also. This is a pretty clear case of "not enough development time" making some situations disjointed since there's not enough time to code or write for every scenario.

Was hoping that Ian could get turned on thinking about his girl being an absolute slut without turning into a total doormat to her (or maybe just a nympho appreciator) and that Lena could be an uncontrollable slut with an exhibition-streak for her partner without locking herself into a dom role or becoming a sex-denying bitch for the remainder of their relationship.

But that's the way it goes, I guess. With too many path possibilities and not enough resources, some parts are bound to feel disjointed for the sake of speeding up development time.

I won't deny that Ian jacking to pics (Alison+Jeremy.. and Louise before the revamp) he had no right to have + Lena doing the same with the Louise/Jeremy photos she stole was a huge missed opportunity for a happy (but kinky) couple with a shared voyeur/exhibitionist streak in a scenario when they're both dating each other. I just assumed it was part of Eva's future development plan when I noticed the parallel since it seemed like such a logical progression. Either #1 their extracurricular spying/peeping activities come to light during some dark sexual confessions while bonding in bed to become more open and intimate (showing the good and the bad) or #2 one runs across some of the pictures on the other's phone and what starts as an argument turns into a potential realization that they're both more odd and perfect for each other than they originally thought. Then the fantasies start bubbling up in each of their individual heads... and they start gingerly feeling each other out (metaphorically) and carefully (at first at least) testing each other's limits before one of them "surprises" the other with something considerably more daring and risky... excited, and quite a bit nervous, to see how the other will respond. (Both the decision and response of course being up to the player, with some drastically different outcomes).

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. But it could have been at the same time a hot and complex development + a great way narratively to establish bonding between the two of them.
 
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vekker

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I think I'm going crazy! I decided to romance Alison this update but no matter what choices I make her heart options are always unselectable after a point. It happens after I go on holiday with her. Im doing my best to avoid other girls but, despite having maximum stats and a heart in her relationship status, I cant pick her heart/romance options.
 

GokutheG

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I think I'm going crazy! I decided to romance Alison this update but no matter what choices I make her heart options are always unselectable after a point. It happens after I go on holiday with her. Im doing my best to avoid other girls but, despite having maximum stats and a heart in her relationship status, I cant pick her heart/romance options.
When you went on the trip with her did you embrace her during the fireworks? You need to do that as that's her love route. Make sure to use the sharp outfit when you go out to eat.

Are you using any mods?
 

vekker

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When you went on the trip with her did you embrace her during the fireworks? You need to do that as that's her love route. Make sure to use the sharp outfit when you go out to eat.

Are you using any mods?
The Embrace is the first romance option that is unselectable. which suit is the sharp one and do you mean out to eat on the holiday? ive tried every suit on holiday. No mods.
 

GokutheG

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The Embrace is the first romance option that is unselectable. which suit is the sharp one and do you mean out to eat on the holiday? ive tried every suit on holiday. No mods.
How high is your affection with Alison? It needs to be at least 10/ the bar nearly maxed in order to start her love route. You may have missed some points if you don't speak to her first anytime Ian and his friends hang out.The sharp suit is the dark button up shirt set.

Is Ian seeing either Lena or Holly? If he's seeing Lena than you can't have Ian say he might be falling for her to Jeremy. You also can't be dating Holly.
 

Andrea9999

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.... what goes on with Seymour: the guy treats Lena as his personal sex doll,
but all dolls have expiration dates on how much you indulge, as someone who can just command Lena or Axel,
yeeah - Axel the Lena cheater and abuser is just a tool for Seymour - to fkk in front of him just like that.
A doll only has an expiration date for a specific user. Once the user is changed, the doll is essentially renewed and in the current context, if the uses to which she is put deepen, darken, and intensify. That, I believe, is what Agnes is there for; I think she will be a harsher handler than Seymour. If Axel is involved, Lena will go from being a doll to being a puppet.... and eventually, and ultimately, Lena's travel choice if it is (as I opted for) Dubai which is a world capital for sex trafficking and white sex slavery. I believe Eva Kiss has some very intense plans along those lines for Lena. I hope she is able to bring her guitar to Dubai; she will need it for her new succession of Arabian Nights.
 

GokutheG

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A doll only has an expiration date for a specific user. Once the user is changed, the doll is essentially renewed and in the current context, if the uses to which she is put deepen, darken, and intensify. That, I believe, is what Agnes is there for; I think she will be a harsher handler than Seymour. If Axel is involved, Lena will go from being a doll to being a puppet.... and eventually, and ultimately, Lena's travel choice if it is (as I opted for) Dubai which is a world capital for sex trafficking and white sex slavery. I believe Eva Kiss has some very intense plans along those lines for Lena. I hope she is able to bring her guitar to Dubai; she will need it for her new succession of Arabian Nights.
Agnes is most likely the modelling route for Lena if she doesn't go for either the Wildcats or Billy. I can see Seymour using Lena's beauty to help grow his empire if they have a poor relationship. I just don't see the dev adding actual slavery to the game.
 

Andrea9999

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Agnes is most likely the modelling route for Lena if she doesn't go for either the Wildcats or Billy. I can see Seymour using Lena's beauty to help grow his empire if they have a poor relationship. I just don't see the dev adding actual slavery to the game.
But Agnes has a dominating nature...in my route Lena does Seymour's bidding in everything and Seymour has offered to "lend" Lena to Agnes. That has the aura of something other than just "modeling". Also, Dubai was a strange choice for Lena as a travel destination.
 
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A doll only has an expiration date for a specific user. Once the user is changed, the doll is essentially renewed and in the current context, if the uses to which she is put deepen, darken, and intensify. That, I believe, is what Agnes is there for; I think she will be a harsher handler than Seymour. If Axel is involved, Lena will go from being a doll to being a puppet.... and eventually, and ultimately, Lena's travel choice if it is (as I opted for) Dubai which is a world capital for sex trafficking and white sex slavery. I believe Eva Kiss has some very intense plans along those lines for Lena. I hope she is able to bring her guitar to Dubai; she will need it for her new succession of Arabian Nights.
It all depends on the trainer and how intense he can be with his submissive and the duration will depend on whether feelings are created between them, something that could cause conflicts if they are not a couple, if you want to read an Arabic book with a high level of eroticism that will make you I recommend that you get wet. La Almendra is written by a Muslim author called Nedjma, my wife read it years ago and she really liked it.
 
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Andrea9999

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Yep, destination only available with posh level 4+
It's destination for Lena with high posh stat i.e. Lena who is into expensive clothes, showing off wealth, luxury etc. It's not really strange in this context.
Then again, our comments could change the course of the game...a little bit like how making a measurement on a system changes the system.
 
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Then again, our comments could change the course of the game...a little bit like how making a measurement on a system changes the system.
Hope is the last thing that is lost, but I don't think EK will stop by here to read comments, she will read something from her patreon and her discord, but here...
 
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