Edvin

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Does anyone know what the conditions are for the latest chapter to tell Lena "I don't mind" and allow her to have sex with Holly while she's dating Ian?

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Socrambus

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I think it depends on how you look at it -- imo the root issue is the same (being hung up on the ex) while the difference between affair and lack thereof comes mostly from not being provided with the same opportunity of the ex hounding the protagonist and wanting to get them back. It's an open question whether Ian would resist Gillian's attempts to get him back should she extend such effort, and at the very least he should be able to empathize with difficulty of such choice, even more so if he's already cheated on Lena with other people.
That's the thing, you just said it's an open question whether Ian would resist Gillian, but it's not an open question in most cases for Lena and that makes it not the exact same situation. But I get your point, I just think it's more a point for a theoretical/hypothetical discussion than for a "real" one. Look, let's say that I have a crush on Scarlett Johansson and my girlfriend has a crush on Henry Cavill. Now, my girlfriend goes out one night with her friends, luckily (for her) encounters Henry Cavill in some pub and fucks him. Do you think I would be more inclined to give her a pass because of my crush on Scarlett Johansson and whether or not I would fuck Scarlett given the ocassion?, hell no :p.

And what you say about Ian possibly cheating on Lena with other people, yes, he and Lena can both be hypocrites. That's already been established multiple times during the game and unfortunately it has been more than established IRL too. People can behave in ways that they would not accept if directed to them, that's life.

Well, the thing is perhaps this question should be left as actual question/decision for the player and not the game arbitrarily deciding it for them? Not being able to commit to Holly based on feelings for Gillian also feel to me like eleventh hour ass pull for this matter, considering lack of such qualms throughout the game when it was a question of entering non-casual relationship with Lena or other girls who aren't Holly.
You have a point on inconsistency but I would argue for the opposite way. Ian should not be able to enter in any serious loving relationship if he's not over his ex. But that's just my opinion, it would probably be best to allow for player's choice to appease different opinions on the matter. But I guess it would also mean more variations than we already have and make writing to account for all of them even more complex than it already is.
 

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Does anyone know what the conditions are for the latest chapter to tell Lena "I don't mind" and allow her to have sex with Holly while she's dating Ian?

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Ian needs to make decision to stop thinking about Gillian before this moment. He gets a chance to do it during the dream at the start of the update. (or at couple other points earlier in the game)
 
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Edvin

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Ian needs to make decision to stop thinking about Gillian before this moment. He gets a chance to do it during the dream at the start of the update. (or at couple other points earlier in the game)
I didn't get any chance to make such decision.
There was a dream with Gillian, but I didn't get any option during it.
 

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That's the thing, you just said it's an open question whether Ian would resist Gillian, but it's not an open question in most cases for Lena and that makes it not the exact same situation.
OK, i guess this is mostly arguing semantics like that. I should've perhaps worded it better/more precisely than "the exact same situation". So i'll concede, this isn't 100% exact same situation in all of its aspects ;)

But regarding your theoretical example, i honestly can't say if my personal reaction to it wouldn't be more of a "well, maybe" than "hell no" which is why i think this could influence Ian's view, and since you view it differently, we have this disagreement.

You have a point on inconsistency but I would argue for the opposite way. Ian should not be able to enter in any serious loving relationship if he's not over his ex. But that's just my opinion, it would probably be best to allow for player choice to appease different opinions on the matter. But I guess it would also mean more variations than we already have and make writing to account for all of them even more complex than it already is.
I think it'd be very constricting to have requirement like this, and also far from realistic. People most definitely don't run this sort of mental calculations of "am i fully over my ex or not" when they decide to get in new relationship. Heck, you'll find people who go as far as full marriage while still having hangups. There's no such thing as "you can only really love one person" and the game itself even acknowledges it with the throuple route.

Of course, such decision-making doesn't have to end well (and often doesn't) but that's half of the fun in a "choose your relationship mess" porn game, imo.
 

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Ahh. Unfortunately, i don't have the slutty Holly in my playthrough so can't help here. My post-breakup Ian gets to sleep all alone while Perry is banging Emma next door. :cautious:
Lol can you share that save too. Need to check the Perry gets some action scene too
 

JohnnyR6

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Sorry, just getting into the game - Are any stats worth concentrating on rather than others, or is it best to spread them around?
 

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I didn't get any chance to make such decision.
There was a dream with Gillian, but I didn't get any option during it.
At this point your Ian has to be in love with any of potential ROs in order to get the choice to "Break the wheel":
Python:
    if ian_holly_love or ian_cindy_love or ian_cherry_love or ian_alison_love or ian_emma_love == 2 or ian_minerva_dating == 3 or ian_lena_love:
        menu:
            "{image=icon_will.webp}Break the wheel" if ian_will > 0:
If he's just casually fucking around then well, you're screwed.
 

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Sorry, just getting into the game - Are any stats worth concentrating on rather than others, or is it best to spread them around?
Best to spread them around a bit. If you're doing a run where the MCs have a lot of sexual partners you won't need to focus too hard on the lust stat. But if you try to romance a specific character you might fall behind on the lust stat and miss out on a few options, so in that case choose lust based options more often.
 

Socrambus

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I didn't get any chance to make such decision.
There was a dream with Gillian, but I didn't get any option during it.
You need to be be in love with either Holly (which is impossible), Cindy, Cherry, Alison, Emma, Minerva or Lena.

I think it'd be very constricting to have requirement like this, and also far from realistic. People most definitely don't run this sort of mental calculations of "am i fully over my ex or not" when they decide to get in new relationship. Heck, you'll find people who go as far as full marriage while still having hangups. There's no such thing as "you can only really love one person" and the game itself even acknowledges it with the throuple route.

Of course, such decision-making doesn't have to end well (and often doesn't) but that's half of the fun in a "choose your relationship mess" porn game, imo.
You are right, I concede the point. I only can think as a justification that Holly might make both Ian and Lena feel protective of her and that might explain why Ian would be more conscious to start a potentially sentimental damaging relationship with Holly if he's not all in. But I think you can still cheat on Holly while being on a relationship with her, so it's a pretty weak argument.
 
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Sorry, just getting into the game - Are any stats worth concentrating on rather than others, or is it best to spread them around?
There are only few high stat checks, most of it can be obtained through a evenly spread out playstyle.
Some stat levels won't even count if the respective level is too high, which is another incentive to not focus on one stat.
Charisma and Wits are important for all social events and convincing others, lust is mostly the debauched stat but also the willingness to cheat in some situations (usually you have a high lust stat if you go chad/slut). Athletics is kind of neglectable, though its occasionally used for a better sex performance and if you want to impress Ivy, you better train regulary.
 

elysium1988

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I can share you the whole scene, since it's (mercifully) just one picture. Just remember what curiosity did to a cat. :whistle:
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Lol yeah thankfully its just 1 pic, that angle is just unbearable :ROFLMAO:

Can you share the break up decision save too, I can edit the Holly stats through developer console to turn her into corrupt Holly. Lol
 

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I can share you the whole scene, since it's (mercifully) just one picture. Just remember what curiosity did to a cat. :whistle:
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Yes, Ian can come across their scene, but when he wonders if Lena and Holly is done with their shower in my save I didn't get a nice little scene of them still being inside and Ian being able to creep on their love-making.

Come on Eva! :LOL:
 
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ffive

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Lol yeah thankfully its just 1 pic, that angle is just unbearable :ROFLMAO:

Can you share the break up decision save too, I can edit the Holly stats through developer console to turn her into corrupt Holly. Lol
OK this is a save from start of discussion with Lena regarding her cheating. You can break things up from here or choose open relationship. To enable the option to forgive you'll need to flip the gillian_stop switch.

It has Perry/Emma activated as a bonus, too.
 

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Sorry, just getting into the game - Are any stats worth concentrating on rather than others, or is it best to spread them around?
The game caps stat growth in a chapter by chapter basis, if you reach the max then the game stops giving exp for that specific stat and it goes to waste, so it is generally better to spread them around.

If you want to be very anal about minmaxing stats you need to be familiar with which dialogue choices lead into more stat growth opportunities, but you need to play with a guide on hand for that. But short of that, here are some general hints:

-Athletics is the stat with the fewest opportunities to increase it, so consider giving it priority over the other stats when having to choose between them if you don't want it to be a dump stat.

-Lust can either be a moderately scarce stat or an abundant one, it mostly depends on how much sleeping around you are doing in your playthrough

-Willpower is a resource that can be spent in some situations to get big bonuses, or to reverse the direction of some of your previous choices. Some routes get more willpower that you can spend liberally while others you need to save them for their most impactful options. You cannot stock more than 2 willpower points at a time.
 

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Yes, Ian can come across their scene, but when he wonders if Lena and Holly is done with their shower in my save I didn't get a nice little scene of them still being inside and Ian being able to creep on their love-making.

Come on Eva! :LOL:
I'm hoping we'll get to see full version of that, or Holly cheering up Lena after the breakup if it happened, from Lena's PoV in the next update. No need for creepy Ian. :whistle::coffee:
 
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