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Patreon's Terms of Service?
Not even close. Essentially, Patreon grabs rights to freely use and distribute creator's content. That's it. Zero clarifications about responsibility of patrons or non-patrons for accessing and also distributing creator's content. And their FAQ, which is not part of official EULA, just tells creators to buzz off, and deal with any patrons suspected in sharing the content by themselves.
 
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Gohan007

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Not even close. Essentially, Patreon grabs rights to freely use and distribute creator's content. That's it. Zero clarifications about responsibility of patrons or non-patrons for accessing and also distributing creator's content. And their FAQ, which is not part of official EULA, just tells creators to buzz off, and deal with any patrons suspected in sharing the content by themselves.
So it's not piracy because there's no law enforcement knocking on your door, since very few content creators have the means, funds and time to track pirates all across the internet? Sound logic right there.

If you're acquiring and/or distributing a creator's original content outside of their intented/official distribution channels you're pirating, and yes, stealing it, whether you like it or not.

Is your conscience catching up yet?
 

BloodyMares

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Not even close. Essentially, Patreon grabs rights to freely use and distribute creator's content. That's it. Zero clarifications about responsibility of patrons or non-patrons for accessing and also distributing creator's content. And their FAQ, which is not part of official EULA, just tells creators to buzz off, and deal with any patrons suspected in sharing the content by themselves.
Do you really need the government and laws to make you question the morality of your actions?
 
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My two cents on pirating is that it makes sense to be in favour when someone is making millions... but not when someone is making about ~5k/month (minimum patreon option of $2 * 1700 subscribers * 1.25ish for the small proportion of higher level patrons). Especially when the product gets revealed eventually. Right now, every subscription counts. And if I can't afford to pay, I simply have to wait.
 
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So it's not piracy because there's no law enforcement knocking on your door, since very few content creators have the means, funds and time to track pirates all across the internet? Sound logic right there.

If you're acquiring and/or distributing a creator's original content outside of their intented/official distribution channels you're pirating, and yes, stealing it, whether you like it or not.

Is your conscience catching up yet?
Then I guess you're in the habit of calling law enforcement for violations of laws that you've just made up on the spot?
I'll tell ya a little secret: there is not even a disclaimer in ORS distro, that states Patreon as only official release channel.
And Patreon's stance on content distribution is murky at best, as was stated before.

Without clearly defined policy from Patreon and without official license or disclaimer from developer, calling sharing of content "piracy" is nothing more than personal opinion.
 

Albaduldür

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Dude stop embarrassing yourself. I hate the copyright, patents and intellectual property laws as much as the next guy, but I don't pretend it doesn't exist. Stop coping so hard and embrace that you are a pirate. It isn't something to be ashamed of. Take the Stirnerpill.
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You guys know philosophy?
Stirner?
Really??
 

Gohan007

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Then I guess you're in the habit of calling law enforcement for violations of laws that you've just made up on the spot?
I'll tell ya a little secret: there is not even a disclaimer in ORS distro, that states Patreon as only official release channel.
And Patreon's stance on content distribution is murky at best, as was stated before.

Without clearly defined policy from Patreon and without official license or disclaimer from developer, calling sharing of content "piracy" is nothing more than personal opinion.
At this point I don't know if you lack moral values, respect for the creators whose works you enjoy, or if you're just thickheaded. You're a pirate and a thief, and there's no way around that. Your reasons are your own for doing what you do, and I care not about them, but it just boggles my mind why you refuse to acknowledge what you are and what you are doing.
 

manscout

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Then I guess you're in the habit of calling law enforcement for violations of laws that you've just made up on the spot?
I'll tell ya a little secret: there is not even a disclaimer in ORS distro, that states Patreon as only official release channel.
And Patreon's stance on content distribution is murky at best, as was stated before.

Without clearly defined policy from Patreon and without official license or disclaimer from developer, calling sharing of content "piracy" is nothing more than personal opinion.
I think that when multiple people have explained why you are wrong you should at least doublecheck your information before repeating it. , it should at least clarify any misconceptions you have about what copyright is.

The dev is the author, so they own the copyrights. They give Patreon a license so that Patreon can distribute their work on their platform, most distribution platforms will have that in their terms of service so they can't be accused of violating the author's copyrights when they distribute the author's work. Patreon is a bit overbearing with how many copyrights they demand you license to them before hosting your content, those are listed in the "your creations" topic of page, there is nothing really "murky" about it, you license them a lot of your copyrights so it would be hard to sue them (although they do promise to limit their use of said licenses, for whatever that's worth).

So with ORS the entities that can distribute it are EvaKiss, as the owner of the copyrights, and Patreon, that has a license to the copyrights. You want to know what people call unlicensed distribution? Piracy.

You could keep arguing in very bad faith that maybe the copies distributed in this and other websites are actually licensed, that for some unimaginable reason, either EvaKiss or Patreon (their license is sublicensable) would license the free distribution of a product they are otherwise trying to sell at a price (or at least as an incentive for a paid subscription), and we just can't know for sure until EvaKiss sues those potentially unlicensed distributors (which we already pointed out she won't because the results would be ineffective and not worth the effort and money), but if that's the hill you wanna die on, I got nothing else to say.
 
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