VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

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GokutheG

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CreativeCritic2 said:
I think this is on point but uncharitable... I think it's better to look at the problems with ORS in artistic terms rather than through the lens of Eva cynically chasing patrons.

The idea of two protagonists whose relationship expands and contracts based upon decisions they make with regards to each other and with regards to the people around them is a really interesting one but it was always *very* ambitious for a porn game.

I can imagine a French film director doing something amazing with the idea of two people feeling a genuine connection only to wind up messing it up because they can't break with old habits, old influences, or stop looking over the horizon for the next chance at a truly world-class threesome. The problem is that this isn't the type of story that porn games tend to tell... most porn games are either escapist fantasies with male MCs or they're weird corruption fantasies with female MCs. GGGB was a world-class example of the latter but I think Eva wanted to write more and you can sense that ambition in the fact that so many of the endings in GGGB are really fucked-up and borderline depressing when you look beyond the fact that the protagonist is having a grand old time as far as orgasms are concerned.

There is a sense in which ORS is an NTR game as the emotional dynamics are a lot closer to those of the better-written NTR games (like Misfits) than your typical escapist fantasy. NTR games often have this quite interesting dynamic where you start out trying to manipulate your GF into cheating on you so that you can fuck other people guilt-free only for it to drift slowly into 'I am perverting my GF because it turns me on to see her surrender completely to her desires' and I think that ORS taps into some of those dynamics without really engaging or wanting to be an NTR game.

Where I think OP's critique is really on point is the fact that, as written, ORS is more like two games with occasional crossovers than a game about a couple. Reading this thread, a lot of people approach the game by leaning into the MCs alternate relationships and I think that reflects Eva's struggles keeping the game centred upon the couple. To be honest, I don't get the impression that Lena and Ian are all that into each other as neither of them seem to think about each other when they're apart and nobody at any point goes 'Oooooh... maybe I shouldn't try and fuck their best friend'

With regards to the criticisms that Ian's love interests are better than Lena's: I think that's true of GGGB too... in that game, there's a nice artist and your high school boyfriend (who you wind up believing is dead) and every other dude is an abusive, manipulative, degenerate prick. I think unsympathetic-but-hot characters are Eva's calling card.
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I could see Eva wanting to challenge herself with a heavier story focused game after GGGB. The Lena/Ian dynamic is obviously the spark for this game but I think Eva didn't really think of the challenge that would come from players who aren't interested in playing that route. It seems obvious by now that besides the Lena, Holly and Ian path she didn't really have an idea for interesting and satisfactory stories for the other LIs.
 
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Me not caring about any of the main routes and have been an Alison fan since the very first patch. The only ones that come even remotely close is Emma x Ian or the really upset MILF from work. The rest are not even remotely interesting.
 
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I honestly can't with people not noticing its alpha and then judging the whole goddamn with long freaking paragraphs. I don't know if its actually that or people who love a specific genre of porn trying to find flaws just to shit on the game. Its part of a chapter and in that its an alpha. Some are mad that there is no specific content, others are mad that there is too much porn content. Choose one ffs.
 
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BL45T said:
I honestly can't with people not noticing its alpha and then judging the whole goddamn with long freaking paragraphs. I don't know if its actually that or people who love a specific genre of porn trying to find flaws just to shit on the game. Its part of a chapter and in that its an alpha. Some are mad that there is no specific content, others are mad that there is too much porn content. Choose one ffs.
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The alpha version usually has the complete content. The final version may include a scene that didn't make it, but thats it.
So no, this chapter 13 part 1 won't improve in the beta and final release beyond bug fixes and an extra scene or two. Its entirely appropriate to judge its content now.
 
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BL45T said:
I honestly can't with people not noticing its alpha and then judging the whole goddamn with long freaking paragraphs. I don't know if its actually that or people who love a specific genre of porn trying to find flaws just to shit on the game. Its part of a chapter and in that its an alpha. Some are mad that there is no specific content, others are mad that there is too much porn content. Choose one ffs.
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Doesn´t matter if it´s alpha or final. It´s the pace and quality that´s now a far cry from what the standard was before, writing wise, which Eva herself set and was aspiring to achieve. It´s not like we demanded it, we just got used to it. It´s just increasingly noticeable now. Final would have to have at least twice the amount of dialogue lines as the alpha to reach that previous level, which is not going to happen....
 
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Blurpee69

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Skylark21 said:
It's Alpha version, it's supposed to be rough and messy, I dunno why some people here are so surprised about that.
First ask to leak an unfinished version which is solely meant for higher tier patrons, thn bitch and cry about why it looks so unfinished when they do get it. smh
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So my problem with this update, is I see a lot of potential in it, but it feels a sloppier and more rushed than I would normally expect. Perhaps I'm taking to much time to adjust to Eva's new and faster work schedule. But previous alpha releases didn't feel this messy to me. A little more dialogue, or internal monologuing to help bridge some of the scenes together and honestly I don't think it's a terrible update; aside from slutty Holly being birthed completely away from Lena.

albul said:
Fellas, is it cuck to eat out your girlfriend?
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No, but this scene does come directly after a short monologue from Lena about how she has Ian wrapped around her finger, which only happens on the cuck route.
 
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