VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[BloodyMares]

To clarify about greyed-out options: You'll only see the options within a single dialogue tree. Just like in Mass Effect with greyed out Charm/Intimidate options in a dialogue wheel.

Things you won't see:
1) Conditions to get those dialogue options. You'll just know that they're in the game, but how to get them is up to you to find out.
2) Alternative dialogue trees that can only be accessed when different requirements are met. There are multiple paths to discover, and greyed-out options won't spoil them beyond the immediate effect within the scene. Some dialogue options trigger secondary dialogue trees, and they'll still be hidden.

Example: When Alison invites Ian to a trip with her, you'll have 2 outcomes:
1) if you're dating her, you'll be able to either agree or decline (both options show up).
2) If you're not dating her, the dialogue options won't appear at all and Ian will automatically reject the offer.
In the second outcome, you won't see any greyed-out options because the dialogue tree is for another branch that you're not currently on. So to you it will still look like there's no option to come with her unless you replay the game and make correct choices to trigger that dialogue tree that allows you to accept the offer.

 

[ambitious1234]

Hopefully, we get tattoos and more piercing options.

 

[BlandChili]

To clarify about greyed-out options: You'll only see the options within a single dialogue tree. Just like in Mass Effect with greyed out Charm/Intimidate options in a dialogue wheel.

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Thanks for the clarification. Still would prefer to not be forced to see those unavailable options.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I like it. The Mass Effect dialogue wheel is a good system.

 

[BlandChili]

Eh, I think I'd have found my renegade run more fun if I was unaware of what tone of options to expect from having read the options on my paragon run..

 

[loloby]

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Chapter 8 weekly status report (9)
As I said last time, this'll be the last status report before the release of the Alpha version of Chapter 8. My goal is to release it by the end of the week, probably Saturday, if everything goes as planned.

• The writing is finally done! The script ended up totalling aprox. 17.750 lines of code, so this chapter ended up being lengthier than I expected. Maybe not long, but dense.
• Bug testing has been underway and keep going, now with a complete script. BloodyMares is helping me with that greatly, as usual, and Lara has been providing technical support too. Thanks to her, now the choices that are not available to you will appear greyed out, instead of being invisible, so you'll know when you have alternatives to explore.
• I've also completed all the missing drawing and now I have to finalise all the assets. This is quite time-consuming, but it requires a lot less brainpower than writing, so I should be able to sit through all of them during this week.

Not much more to say, now it's all a matter of putting in the time to make everything look sexy and making sure all the pieces fit correctly before releasing the chapter. Working on it as you can see in this example below!

Stunning

 

[Massi89]

Personally I'm okay with seeing the greyed-out options, I would definitely like to have a better idea of what I'm missing and how much I can explore. But maybe the best choice would be to make it so that you can set it up in the menu. That way the readers who want this kind of option will activate it, whereas those who don't want it will make it so that it doesn't show up.

 

[thomastm]

This weekend gonna be dope, 2 of my fav games get update Karryn's Prison & Our Red String

 

[DDDIsReal]

The grey choices are a great add, i can't understand ppl that don't like it. It's very helpful and at least you can see what missing, it isn't like you know who fuck who, this don't spoil anything. it's just an hint that say ''hey you have other scenes to play'' that without this feature would be almost impossible to discover. You guys prefer going here and ask ''what I missing?''

 

[Brickman]

The grey choices are a great add, i can't understand ppl that don't like it. It's very helpful and at least you can see what missing, it isn't like you know who fuck who, this don't spoil anything. it's just an hint that say ''hey you have other scenes to play'' that without this feature would be almost impossible to discover. You guys prefer going here and ask ''what I missing?''

Totally agree, I don't thinki seeing the greyed out options spoil anything, just hints at possible routes or options that could be open if you had made different choices or had enough stats, which encourages you to revisit the game and try different things, knowing that there are some possibilities to explore you might not be aware of. That's not the same as "spoiling" what could happen if you decide to go on that route. It just makes the branching nature of the story more obvious and easier to explore. Unless you intend to play the game many many times trying every different option available, I think it's cool that you get hints on what options you're missing and that you might want to try in different playthroughs, or what skill you need to increase to get those extra options.

 

[BlandChili]

The grey choices are a great add, i can't understand ppl that don't like it. It's very helpful and at least you can see what missing, it isn't like you know who fuck who, this don't spoil anything. it's just an hint that say ''hey you have other scenes to play'' that without this feature would be almost impossible to discover. You guys prefer going here and ask ''what I missing?''

How is it hard to understand? We're not asking for its removal, just that it's an optional feature. You go ahead and use it all you like.

I just don't want to see what I'm "missing" in the first place, I want the game to reference only content that is relevant to the choices I've made in the current playthrough. If I want alternatives I'll replay to try and get them.

 

[Ragnar]

The grey choices are a great add, i can't understand ppl that don't like it. It's very helpful and at least you can see what missing, it isn't like you know who fuck who, this don't spoil anything. it's just an hint that say ''hey you have other scenes to play'' that without this feature would be almost impossible to discover. You guys prefer going here and ask ''what I missing?''

Playing with hints takes away from the the experience of going blind into the story and making your own choices.
It can be a good optional feauture for new plus games.

 

[godoff95]

Also reduces replaybility

Playing with hints takes away from the the experience of going blind into the story and making your own choices.
It can be a good optional feauture for new plus games.

 

[dundun]

Playing with hints takes away from the the experience of going blind into the story and making your own choices.

How so? It won't change your choices at all as you can't click the 'new' option.
I think a big problem of the game is that a lot of players never even realize they are missing most of the game. People are still used to the standard game that has like 2 paths (good/bad) and one of them is boring. I think most players don't replay games even once. Just look at all the requests for save games when a version comes out.

Also reduces replaybility

Again, how so? If you see an option you can't take you are less likely to replay the game?

 

[godoff95]

I guess we're speculating more than necessary. After the update, we might appreciate the changes.

 

[scor099]

How so? It won't change your choices at all as you can't click the 'new' option.
I think a big problem of the game is that a lot of players never even realize they are missing most of the game. People are still used to the standard game that has like 2 paths (good/bad) and one of them is boring. I think most players don't replay games even once. Just look at all the requests for save games when a version comes out.


Again, how so? If you see an option you can't take you are less likely to replay the game?

even if you saw a greyed choice you might not know what conditions are required to trigger that choice, you still have to replay the game and try different choices to actually get that choice but you'll just know that there's a different route that you can try. but lets hope that it can be turned off.

 

[BlandChili]

I don't see why we have to have this tug of war about why it might do what and what it doesn't do.

Mods on discord have taken note, hopefully by ch. 9 it will be an option and we can all choose the version we prefer.

 

[xgrotesc]

Goddam, humans can be really picky about the smallest things!

 

[BlandChili]

Goddam, humans can be really picky about the smallest things!

I used to work in an ice cream parlour, you'd be surprised at how often people argue over flavour preferences.

 

[MyUserName1234]

I used to work in an ice cream parlour, you'd be surprised at how often people argue over flavour preferences.

Chocolate.