dontcarewhateverno

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I'm having a bit of an issue with Lena's hypocrisy here too. In my case, she just broke it off with Robert after the fight/non-fight, and Ian forgives her, though he still hates the thought of it...

But Lena, damn... she broke it off and called Ian unreliable... uhmm, nobody has made commitments yet..?
Ugh. Didn't play the Robert route.. cause he's Robert. But you see this with Jeremy and Holly too. At least (arguably) with Robert it's not damaging any other friendships, but you can't say the same about the other too. Really hope Eva does some rewriting on all this between now and the Final chapter 8 release. Most narrative criticisms so far have just been player preferences, but Lena's reaction here is honestly just a glaring plot-hole.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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Woah, what is this new chapter? I haven't even explored all of it yet, but that was amazing.
Not only as a porn game, but also simply as a visual novel to read.
Both the writing and the art are really good, and I felt that the choices in chapter 8 became significantly more drastic, which I thoroughly enjoyed. This new update raised the level of replayability for me, I want to try out various options to see how the story changes. I'm guessing chapter 9 won't be ready before August, so I'll take my time and try various routes.



Dude, you're talking about a girl who is capable of abusively entering her roommate bedroom, sucking her boyfriend's cock and then fucking him with her pussy, then keep it all a secret. I mean, she's not exactly an example of righteousness. And I think it wouldn't make sense otherwise, she's a character with her own weaknesses, not a heroine...
Those are choices you can make to guide the character as you choose. Not the defined character. Though the only plausible explanation for her train-of-though reactions after some of these scenarios is that she's purposefully written as a sociopath. I'm pretty sure that wasn't Eva's intent, so there are some immersion-breaking writing flaws here. Hopefully it'll be edited after alpha.
 
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Those are choices you can make to guide the character as you choose. Not the defined character. Though the only plausible explanation for her train-of-though reactions after some of these scenarios is that she's purposefully written as a sociopath. I'm pretty sure that wasn't Eva's intent, so there are some immersion-breaking writing flaws here. Hopefully it'll be edited after alpha.
Yes she's damaged & should visit a therapist in future chapter.
 

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I predicted this reaction when playtesting that part. I personally wish it was directed differently as it made me feel disappointed in Lena's character, but that's Eva's story and I don't think it will be changed. It might be addressed in Ch 9 or in Beta with some dialogue, but I wouldn't bet on it. Since Ian had the option to put Minerva in her place, or point out Cindy's pettiness, I was hoping he could point out Lena's hypocrisy based on his Charisma stat if she was dating Robert for example.
I understand the "it's her story" perspective and usually agree with it. But in this case, honestly, it's just really bad writing and a glaring plothole. Lena at least needs some internal dialogue early in this chapter acknowledging what she's done herself when
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If she decides to write Lena as petty in this situation, fair game. All about it, as it's her creative vision. But not at least acknowledging it in her own thoughts is a huge narrative misstep. I don't think acknowledging it in a later chapter works either, since any living, breathing human would've acknowledged it way before then, unless plottwist: Lena's an android.
 
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Those are choices you can make to guide the character as you choose. Not the defined character. Though the only plausible explanation for her train-of-though reactions after some of these scenarios is that she's purposefully written as a sociopath. I'm pretty sure that wasn't Eva's intent, so there are some immersion-breaking writing flaws here. Hopefully it'll be edited after alpha.
From a certain point of view there is no real defined character in a game like this, because as much as the characters are made in a certain way, we also partly define them through our choices. For example, in older chapters we were able to choose whether Lena would say that her passion was writing songs, modeling, making money or just having fun.
In this kind of multiple-choice visual novel, a problem that the author can easily run into is creating paths where the characters' behaviours might feel less coherent to the reader. The wider the range of choices, the higher that risk is...
Although in Our Red String, I feel the presence of this problem significantly less than in Good Girl Gone Bad.
 
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Imo the reason Lena lost it with Ian-holly situation is because Holly is their mutual friend and Lena has created some kind of bond with her even if it's not romantic cause she doesn't mind when Ian sleeps with other people, yeah her reaction might be bit over the top but every character has their flows and it may be also because her history with Axel is repeating again although not similar but still close enough.
What I don't understand is why some people are so hell bent on portraying only Lena in bad light when Ian is rowing in the same boat fucking Emma and Cindy betraying his Best friends. Agree, Lena is not perfect but Ian is no saint either, he's much worse tbh.
 
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