atrebor68

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I've seen several posts now discussing Lena's hypocrisy, this is in no way a mistake or bad writing. You'll have to remember that whether your Lena is a hypocrite or not is entirely your choice and yours alone.

In real life people have values and do things that go against those values everyday, It is not unusual.

The same applies to Ian as well(my Ian included), he doesn't like being cheated on but he gets to option to make Cindy cheat on Wade, his long time friend.

So to sum it up this is actually really well written, because it is realistic and it is how people actually behave. There is no person alive today who has not done/ is not doing something hypocritical.
I agree, you have always a choice. Also GOD says it.

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BloodyMares

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Yes, you are correct about that. Robert is an elephant in the room during that conversation. It would make sense for Ian to mention her seeing him at least in the situation where Lena accuses Ian not only for messing with Holly's feelings, but also because she feels hurt by Ian's "cheating" (lena_ian_love dialogue). Even if she broke up with Robert afterward, Ian doesn't know that yet. If she did break up with Robert, then I perfectly understand Lena's frustration, because she was willing to ditch her boy-toy for Ian, but then he turned out to be just like any other guy (if he in fact slept with Holly). But I totally understand Lena's reaction if she's not in love with Ian or if Holly kissed Ian. Holly is a gentle soul, in love with Ian, and Lena doesn't want to be the one hurting her, even indirectly so she chooses to "step down", at least until Ian and Holly figure it out between themselves, just like Cherry does when she learns about Alison's feelings for Ian. But I don't understand such a massive drop in their relationship regardless of their status, implying that there's more to that than her protective feelings for Holly.
If Ian doesn't go for Holly, Lena can have sex with Holly. But this is different because neither Holly loves Lena nor Lena loves Holly. It's just casual sex.
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I think the money from Stalkfap is bugged in chapter 8 during the private messages scene. It says these guys are sending you money and it makes the money received noise but your money doesn't actually increase.
Not a bug. If you have a lot of money (over 4 or 5), then the amount you get from those stalkfap messages is insignificant in comparison to really add anything. Like, if you have $500 of savings, getting $10 or $20 in tips doesn't really help that much. I'm sure eventually she'll be able to charge extra from her subscribers, but she's not there yet.
 

Lord Bradley

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Can someone tell me how to put window mode from outside the game, please? Don't ask me why, but if game starts in full screen it crashes before I can go into settings, so I absolutely need window mode.. Thanks in advance!
 
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Android version is fucking broken especially on the pool minigame with Cindy. If you choose to ignore the error that pop ups everytime the game assumes that you did not pick the right choice.
 
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The difference is Ian knows it is wrong every step of the way.

And the issue isn’t that Lena is being a hypocrite, it is she doesn’t even think about it at all.

“Do as I say, not as I do” is bullshit, but worse when you can’t even acknowledge to yourself it’s wrong.

Then she goes and beds Holly.. come on son.
Then you clearly haven't read Lena's thoughts, she definitely knows it's wrong but does it anyways. Ian does the same if you go down the same path with him. Only difference being he is more whiny about it.

To be clear though, I'm not saying you have to like it. If you like it or not is entirely up to you but whether you like something or not does not mean it's bad writing or a mistake that should be corrected.

I don't like Robert but he fits his character well, same with Axel and Seymour. Are they badly written characters? No, I just don't like them.

So my issue isn't with people thinking Lena is a hypocrite for not acknowledging her wrong doings, it's with people saying it's bad writing when it clearly is not.
 

lcvargas

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Gotta wonder, am i the only one who doesn't much care for neither Holly nor Lena? Like, i don't know, Holly just feels blander than any other girl, and Lena is just surrounded by so many creepy shits and major assholes that her route just feels like a trudge through muck on a replay. Doesn't help that Alison, Cindy, Emma, Cherry and Minerva all get better scenes out of Ian, imo.

This to say, that Lena being the main girl and Holly being written like one are probs the two major factors that make me care about the drama.
I kinda like both women. I guess it just comes to types and standards. Holly kinda fills that "damsel in distress" or "shy virgin girl" vibe that some people like.

Also, so far Lena has creepy dudes and aholes, but not all. Ian is nice to her, and although, Mike/Jeremy is cheating with their girls, being aholes to them, they're not aholes to Lena. There may be future characters that will be good to her like Ed or Stan, we just don't know yet.

It all comes down to preference, yeah. I don't like Jeremy, but he seems to be a popular character here.
 
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PilotLara

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Can someone tell me how to put window mode from outside the game, please? Don't ask me why, but if game starts in full screen it crashes before I can go into settings, so I absolutely need window mode.. Thanks in advance!
decompile the game, open options.rpy , change
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default preferences.fullscreen = True
 

dontcarewhateverno

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Then you clearly haven't read Lena's thoughts, she definitely knows it's wrong but does it anyways. Ian does the same if you go down the same path with him. Only difference being he is more whiny about it.

To be clear though, I'm not saying you have to like it. If you like it or not is entirely up to you but whether you like something or not does not mean it's bad writing or a mistake that should be corrected.

I don't like Robert but he fits his character well, same with Axel and Seymour. Are they badly written characters? No, I just don't like them.

So my issue isn't with people thinking Lena is a hypocrite for not acknowledging her wrong doings, it's with people saying it's bad writing when it clearly is not.
It is, because she doesn't once even acknowledge it in her internal thoughts when thinking about Ian and Holly. That is not natural for any human, regardless of their morals. Actually, less bad writing and more that a second script option should have been implemented to trigger depending on Lena's previous choices. As is, there's just one default reaction used that doesn't take into account any of Lena's previous choices if she's in a relationship with Ian and he at least kisses Holly. Eva's accounted for these things in the past but has had trouble with this chapter due to the unmanageable amount of branching. So where otherwise she's usually had alternate text for various scenarios, this time she missed it.

Regardless of the Lena you've crafted with your choices, some sort of reaction there is required, even if it's a petty, deflective thought in her head where she acknowledges what she's done but reasons her way out of it. If this were a story where you never saw the characters' internal thoughts or a story where her thoughts were often highly erratic (indicating some sort of psychosis as we as the viewer see her often lying to herself or never acknowledging past actions) then it might make sense. But this breaks the internal logic of the narrative style Eva has displayed throughout the game and is out of character for Lena regardless of which Lena you've crafted by your choices. Anyone who's done a lot of writing or at least a huge amount of reading will understand this, as I'm sure does Eva. She just missed a major one this time since she has so much to work on.

TLDR: This is a case of Eva trying to wrap up many different paths and struggling along the way. As she's said, she's had a lot of problems writing this chapter and isn't entirely satisfied with it. This was just one of those missteps that got past her.
 
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