Hmm. With careful consideration in response to the many varied points in your essay:
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Nope. Got your point completely. Was just trolling. Carry on.You completely missed the point of my pointing out the difference.Saying Ian is gay cos he gets with a guy completely ignores the point that he also - or primarily - likes women. As the person I was replying to stated that Ian being "gay" wouldn't "fit" him, I felt the need to point out that he wouldn't be gay, and nothing he had done or said would go against him being bisexual, so it could fit him just fine.
Works enough for me, plus
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Let people want what they want. It's Eva's job in the end to add content she sees fit and our option to continue with the game or not, based on our interest in the content.
There was plenty of NTR in GGGB, also, it seems pretty obvious some kind of NTR route is being setup between Ian/Jeremy/Lena, and Lena/Cherry/Mike/Ian etc.
The only NTR in GGGB was on Eric, who it fit completely before he came back. Also, not NTR when no committed relationship - run now everyone involved (except probably Holly) is just into messing around. Now if Ian found out Lena was fucking Robert or Lena found out Ian was fucking Cherry they'd be pissed as Ian hates Robert (usually) and Lena hates Cherry.
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I'm all for variety, and even though it's not my taste, I don't see anything wrong with the game having cuck content.
...But that being said, herrzimm1 does make a very good point as to why cuck content wouldn't really be viable for Ian in the context of this game. Seeing as Ian is an MC and his options need to be kept open to encompass the existing material including dominant Ian (which is polar opposite to cuck), having something as restricting as cuck content, and actually making it believable that Ian has those strong sub tendencies considering all his potential other relationships - would make it incredibly hard to work in with the rest of the story without taking a massive detour just for that kind of content. Not to mention the extra considerations for Lena across the week if she's part of this cuck arrangement with Ian.
It's different with voyeur content, where Ian could still enjoy wanking off as the passive third party in all sorts of situations, while not having it effect any of his other relationships - just a little kink on the side he secretly indulges in to his heart's content.
Honestly, it would work much better if the cuck was one of the guys on Lena's route, rather then Ian. I can't imagine Jeremy, Mike or Axel being cucked, but it could easily work with Robert, since the guy would probably do just about anything to keep fucking Lena or being with her. Stan would also work for that. Side characters are easy to work into that role because there's far less considerations or content to take into account, and with guys like Robert or Stan, they have the personalities/tendencies for it.
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Ian can easily become a cuck with Jeremy/Mike/Robert/Axel/rich guy being the bull... He was cuck in his previous relationship too. Also mike's gf is cuckqueen too. There is a lot of potential and it hasn't has to be 100% committed relationship to be a cuck... Eva can do it already. Also Alison/ Jeremy going raw, filming it and showing it to Ian is kinda ntr too. I want more ntr than gggb and i am pretty sure Eva can deliver.
I hate cuck games. And the RWNJs that use it as a disparaging term for anyone to the left of Benito Mussolini.
I think you are missing the point. It isn't that I am against "cuck content" in the proper formatted game available. But Eva has created a game format where such material simply will not work properly without either undergoing a massive rewrite of existing content, or basically wasting a ton of time and effort.
Here's the problem that needs to be addressed:
In ORS, you have 2 sides going on at any one given time. You want to put "cuck content" into the game, you will have to cover it from BOTH sides if you are attempting to have any 'cuck content' involving Ian and Lena. Someone will HAVE to bring up the topic at some point, and the other side will HAVE to react/consider "cuck content" worth exploring or not.
Now, here is where it gets tricky. Ian wants it, but Lena "considers" it but then refuses. So, what happens to the Ian side of the story? Does he 'go away skulking" because he can't get his 'cuck content' or pretend that the whole thing never came up and continues on his way? You see where the 'wasted time and effort' comes into the equation? And I'm not talking simply wasting time and effort as a player, but for Eva who would have to literally stop the ENTIRE project just for this one moment of 'fetish content' that has vast outcome results without moving forward on the actual original story. It would bog Eva down with focusing time/effort on "side content" with little or no time available for "main content". And that is for simply ONE of several possible "cuck content" possibilities.
Even if we switch it up where it is Robert/Lena involved, then we will need to focus time/effort on figuring out which of the other side characters who would be the 'bull' in the situation. Meaning yet another massive time/effort for Eva to create content character by character in regards to options available. Would it be Ian, at which point there is additional time/effort needed by Eva to work on Ian's side as the Bull. Jeremy, Axel, Mike and Stan would all need to take "time out" to properly handle the situation. I mean, Axel and Mike might just go along with it just 'for the hell of it'. But what about Jeremy's possible relationship with roommate or best friend? Both of those will have to be considered, and then addressed if either one finds out about it. And what about Stan, the roommate? Well, now you need to focus on additional 'relationship building' to get to that level and THEN consider the reaction afterward. And would Robert even be comfortable with Stan getting involved when you can easily see Robert thinking himself as 'dominate' over Stan and that Stan isn't worthy all along. Not to mention the already established uncomfortable relationship with Robert and Axel that would have to be addressed and THEN somehow "concluded" enough to access "cuck content" between those two characters.
And hell, that isn't even BEGINNING to consider the amount of time/effort on Eva's part to work out how Ian would react and how that reaction would alter the already planned Ian-based content lined up. I mean, is Ian going to be "okay" with Jeremy being the 'bull' in a "cuck content" type situation when Ian himself is attempting to get with Lena? Or will Ian now become 'angry with Jeremy" and kind of ruin a built up relationship that may have already taken place between the two of them?
Can you see the core complaint that I am really trying to get to at this point? If TLDR:
Our Red String simply is NOT formatted properly as a game concept to work in "cuck content" at this point. It is FAR too late in development to bring it up, and it simply will not work properly. So, please stop advocating for it in this project. Move on to something LESS developed so that the "cuck content" suggestion CAN be properly implemented. Or to a different game format where it makes more sense playing only ONE MC who controls the story moving forward.
It will not work in Our Red String. But it CAN be worked into something like A Mother And Wife at this point. Or even Glamour, or Fashion Business. There are plenty of OTHER options available where "cuck content" can be suggested and properly worked into future updates.
Just a point of interest in support of "cuck content" working.
I can easily see Axel going along with it because I don't really think that he has true "emotional connections" to Lena at this point. It would be "cuck content", but from the view point of Axel being the 'dominate partner" in any relationship and doing it in order to make Lena more 'submissive overall'. So, it MIGHT work with Axel, but only down a very narrow pathway.
That being sad, it would also depend upon who the "other person" might be. I can see Axel accepting Mike and Jeremy as "alpha male personalities". Axel may even go along with Ian, depending on how he has been played up to that point. Especially if Ian was present for Cindy's photo-shoot and encouraged her to go further than she originally wanted to. But again, this would fit more into Axel attempting to make Lena "more submissive" by using "more dominate male characters" to push her down that path.
Robert wouldn't really work after the confrontation at the restaurant early in the game. At least not without serious rewrites or some kind of Robert/Axel scene where they iron out their differences. Even then, if Axel gets the slightest hint of Robert being 'weak', I don't see Axel accepting Robert's help in making Lena "further submissive".
Stan? I am not sure about Stan at all. The only way that I can see that one happening with Axel is ONLY as either 1) A "warm up" for more dominate male figures, or simply as 2) Some kind of "test" to see how submissive Lena has become by basically accepting any partner into the bedroom. Even as a 'test', I can't see Axel simply sitting aside and watching WITHOUT getting involved himself and turning the situation into a 3-some more than basic 'cuck content'. And in regard to the 3-some option, Axel would clearly be the "dominate figure" involved with Stan/Lena/Axel, almost to the point of being cruel and aggressive towards Stan just to get rid of him.
How could it be a cuck route if Ian never had a relationship with Lena in that scenario
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Even if Ian is bicurious, it doesn't mean that he would be willing to act on this curiosity. And no, he didn't have any past experience with a guy. Jerking off to Jeremy's pictures makes him feel guilty and weird about himself and he doesn't want it to become a habit. If he was into guys previously, that wouldn't be that weird for him. Or if it's just the friendship aspect that weirds him out, then he'd at least mention his attraction to Axel in his thoughts, but he never does.
If Ian's anything like me, he'd be comfortable being a voyeur and admiring Jeremy's (or Axel's) dick, admitting that they're hot, but when it comes to actually imagining himself with a guy, that image might actually make him very uncomfortable because that's just something he never desired (never had a crush on a dude). I can imagine him be willing to try pegging with a girl though.
And if you wanted to build a bi-Ian story, it'd need to be VERY slow-paced, starting with UNEXPECTED option to fantasize about Jeremy or Axel (without the girls for the first time) and if you select those options, that makes him actually question his sexuality and be willing to dig deeper, or if you ignore them, he buries those thoughts deep inside. And that might lead to a dream similar to Lena's where he accepts or rejects those urges. That said, until his first MFM threesome that might reawaken those repressed thoughts again. But most likely Eva would have to introduce another male character for Ian, who'd either be gay or bisexual as well, because I just can't see Jeremy or Axel being into that (unless Axel is in a closet as well). Perry seems more plausible, but not sure if he's an attractive option.
Jeremy being a homophobe does though. He has this "dudebro" mentality and casually mentions how grappling is "too gay", etc. There's no way Jeremy would want to do anything with a dude, he'd rather cut his dick off.
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There is no "side" or "main" content. It's all your choice. Your active storyline is the MAIN content for YOU only. Check the last update for example. It was mostly Holly-focused, while Cindy took a backseat. Is it disappointing for Cindy fans? Sure. But next time Holly (or someone else) might take a backseat while those who pursue Cindy enjoy themselves.
Ian and Lena can have various types of relationships. You could argue the same things about their VANILLA loving relationship. Why is it in the game if the player won't see 80% of the rest of the game (Robert, Mike, Axel, Cindy, Alison, Cherry, Holly, etc)? Because it fits into the concept of MULTIPLE CHOICES. Just like the player could decide whether Ian loves Lena or Lena loves Ian, or one/both of them treat it as a casual hook-up... I'm sure the same can be achieved with potential voyeur/cuck content as well where the players decide how each of the characters feel about this kink. OR, their reaction might be decided based on a combination of your past choices.
For example: If you previously asked Jeremy to send pictures of Alison or/and Louise, thus triggering his voyeuristic kink, it might give you an opportunity to ask Lena about it. And Lena's response would depend on your playstyle as well. Is she faithful to Ian? Or has she slept with any of the guys/girls? Does she have an exhibitionism kink? Did she have sex with Jeremy? Any combination of those factors might trigger her positive response without giving the player an opportunity to decline (because she would want to continue cheating, and cucking Ian would give her the opportunity to do that openly). Or, if Lena was exclusively interested in Ian, but he has been dominant with her and she has a sex-slave fetish, then she would probably obey his kink as well and would fuck anyone "her master" commands her to fuck. Otherwise, if she has a very low Lust value, she would auto-decline. In other instances, she might "consider" it, and then you can decide as Lena if you want to pursue that and try sleeping with other guys (or girls), or you could tell Ian that it's not really something you're interested in, but that might still open some role-playing and teasing opportunities. Lena isn't prude enough to break up with Ian over some fantasy.
But knowing Eva, the cuck content would probably be triggered in one of the Ivy-related events. If they have another sexy game, with Ian participating, Ivy might want to test their relationship and tell Lena to do something sexy with another guy while Ian would have to watch (or the opposite scenario with Lena watching Ian with another girl). And that might lead them to reflect on that experience and their feelings that would develop or lock that kink.
However, whether or not to do all that content with lots of additional branches, it's up to Eva to decide. If it proves to be too much for her, she probably wouldn't do it, though it would be a massive wasted opportunity. No need to tell others to stop talking about a particular kink that might fit into the narrative, because it's kinda rude. Just because you think ORS is "too developed" for that, it doesn't mean that Eva necessarily thinks the same way.
Why do you think that a particular kink needs to be equally applied to ALL and ANY characters? Clearly, some character types are "locked into" scenarios that only their path unlocks. Obviously, there won't be any "cucking Axel" route or "cheating on Mike". Mike has a cheating fetish where Lena is the other girl in the relationship and his poor girlfriend is in the dark, while with Ian it doesn't work like that at all, she at best tolerates the other girls in his life, and some other girls, like Holly, end up breaking their relationship. Eva cuts corners by making some paths character or other path-exclusive. In GGGB, Ash could have a threesome with Eva and Dave only if she broke up with Eric and Eva is not a slut anymore. Dave content was the same, you needed to be single to date him. You couldn't cuck "Alpha-Eric", only have an open relationship with him. As you can see, there is some wiggle-room for Eva to include potential kinks into the game, she's been doing it for quite a while.
You have a wrong interpretation of what "cucking" means. You can't be a cuckold if you're not in a relationship with a girl. Just because a girl you have a crush on started fucking or dating someone else, and you feel some jealousy, it means just that, that you haven't moved on. Gillian broke Ian's heart by cheating on him, but it's clear that he still has some unresolved feelings for her because thinking about her makes him sad that he lost her, not angry that she betrayed him. Does it make Ian a cuck because Gillian is enjoying some other dick in her private life now? No, it doesn't. And cucking is always voluntary. If he starts dating Lena for real and she cheats on him, it would only make her a cheater. Ian would need to know about it, and consent to it for him to be a cuck. Otherwise, he's just a victim of the cheating. Perhaps a fool. But not a cuck.
I'm still not sure about one Thing. If I remember correctly there are two Scenes in the Game where Ian and Lena can fall in Love with each other (Telling Jeremy you falling for Lena as Ian and after one Sex Scene to snuggle with Ian as Lena right?) Does this mean you need both Scenes for them to fall in Love or does it mean if you just do one Scene then just Ian falls in Love with Lena or the other way around?
I'm just wondering if you can make one of them fall in love but not the other one or if you just can make them both fall in love with each other? I never play them falling in Love but I'm interested how this works.
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You're probably right. I haven't tried it either, but I imagine there isn't a huge amount of payoff yet. Why don't you try it and let us know?
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Just cheating behind Ian's back is very nice or nicer than full on cuckolding to me... Call it whatever you want... Netorare is hot shit. Especially if Ian doesn't want it to happen or he doesn't want to admit he likes seeing or knowing Mike is using Lena's holes...