VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

PilotLara seems there's couple minor bugs left in the beta:

            elif v13_louise_date:
                "And to make things sweeter, I had my date with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked really promising..."
//...
            elif v13_louise_date:
                "I tried not to beat myself over it more than necessary. My focus was on the date I had with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked promising..."

The second check in those two should be for v13_minerva_date instead of louise again.

 

[ffive]

When did Lena specifically say Ian should not sleep with louise solo? That's the point. It is not even mentioned, its presumed.

When they made the arrangement that their "experimenting" in the relationship would be together. All way back in CH.8. And then later when they agreed to have a threesome with Louise. Not that Ian would be free to fuck her on his own.

It's not presumed, it's explicitly stated and Ian recognizes it, hence all his internal monologues on how problematic it is for him to sleep with Louise solo.

I get that you want carte blanche to fuck Louise alone, but this simply doesn't match how the story has arranged Lena/Ian pairing. At least when they are not in open relationship which can be established in Ch.12.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Cheating is processed differently between men and women tbh.

A girl isn't a threat cuz it often doesn't have performance implications (or lack thereof) to the guy being cheated on.

If a girl cheats on a dude with another dude, questions like size, performance and whatnot gonna rise up for the guy being cheated. Most dudes won't think about whether a girl can fuck their girl better.

Similarly a girl will compare beauty, age and whatnot if they got cheated on with another girl. Meanwhile if it's a dude... Well, it's mostly humiliating more than anything else I assume.


I don't think the psyche of cheating is badly done in ORS. But tbh, the only way to understand that properly is if Ian bangs another dude which, for my mental health, hopefully won't happen.

 

[Xupuzulla]

The only thing i know is that Lena is having lesbians parties with the whole female cast but gets mad if Ian fucks the that grounded geek Holly,fuck off

 

[PilotLara]

PilotLara seems there's couple minor bugs left in the beta:

            elif v13_louise_date:
                "And to make things sweeter, I had my date with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked really promising..."
//...
            elif v13_louise_date:
                "I tried not to beat myself over it more than necessary. My focus was on the date I had with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked promising..."

The second check in those two should be for v13_minerva_date instead of louise again.

 

[ffive]

Case in point:

 

[Geigi]

Case in point:

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Yeah, imagine MMC and FMC games start having lesbians who will ntr husbands instead of ugly bastards. Male players who don't like lesbian content would be pissed off.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

When they made the arrangement that their "experimenting" in the relationship would be together. All way back in CH.8. And then later when they agreed to have a threesome with Louise. Not that Ian would be free to fuck her on his own.

It's not presumed, it's explicitly stated and Ian recognizes it, hence all his internal monologues on how problematic it is for him to sleep with Louise solo.

I get that you want carte blanche to fuck Louise alone, but this simply doesn't match how the story has arranged Lena/Ian pairing. At least when they are not in open relationship which can be established in Ch.12.

You guys are just not getting the point….
“Together” means Lena as well, she is going around fucking every girl solo without even telling Ian first. The recent update is the first time where she explicitly asks Ian if it would be okay for her to fuck Ivy.
I had explained in detail about how their “experimenting together” arrangement is making exceptions for lena to go solo with girls. But no option for Ian to even ask for the same exceptions.
When Ian & Louise were flirting, was it soo difficult for Ian to ask lena, “Hey, ever since we had that 3some, louise has been trying to get me to fuck her, would it be okay if i had sexual fun with her?”.
Simple……

And i just want this thing to happen in case of Ivy & Emma, we are definitely getting 3somes with them, but Ian needs solo scene with Ivy man, without dumping Lena. Ask her permission ffs, just like she is asking Ian’s

 

[notstaged]

It is not even mentioned, its presumed.

The game is still in active development, this particular chapter is in beta, shit is being fixed and added on the go. It is likely both cases of Lena texting about "asking permission" was just thrown in there, since open relationship path is not a priority and is often left behind as an afterthought in favor of other major plots. I would recommend to stop obsessing over it.

Anyway, EK didn't put much thought into Louise situation beyond the broad concept of "what if Lena had a girl on a leash, wouldn't that be fun". After the threesome Lena's explanation of their shared history went something like "well, we're just small bean girls, doing girly things, like reading Vanity Fair together and I just kind of shoved a dildo up her snatch, those things happen" and the whole thing got shrugged off.

 

[haryel]

Do anyone have saves for each of the routes for ch12 onwards?

 

[ffive]

“Together” means Lena as well, she is going around fucking every girl solo without even telling Ian first.

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have. This is in accordance with the choices you've made about their relationship.

If you want Ian to fuck Louise solo just turn Lena/Ian in open relationship. It's this simple. In this scenario it'll actually cost Ian a will point to pass on Louise's offer.

When Ian & Louise were flirting, would it had been wrong for Ian to ask lena, “Hey, ever since we had that 3some, louise has been trying to grt me to fuck her, would it be okay if i had sexual fun with her?”.

Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. He explains it in his internal monologues. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her and still demand to be allowed to do it just the same?

 

[varpep]

Surprise, surprise... It's funny that you think that a woman would cheat on a guy with another woman because of sex.

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This makes so much sense! I may not be gay but put a dick in front of me and I'm sucking the soul out of that man on God! No pause! All homo!

 

[fatpussy123]

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have.


Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her just the same?

To add to this, it's also just not worth it for Eva to add the option to ask about Louise. Most relationships in this game are half run by the player and other half by the game, but Ian x Lena is player choosing against their own choices, controlling both sides. Making branches for this path is complex enough. If you were to add asking about Louise, Lena would automatically refuse and you'd complain about the lack of control there. If you then added the choice to control Lena's answer you're adding way too much complexity for something that's really not that important nor beneficial for the game.

 

[Geigi]

This makes so much sense! I may not be gay but put a dick in front of me and I'm sucking the soul out of that man on God! No pause! All homo!

Well, according to bisexual men, a man better suck cocks than a woman, so... it's all about practice.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

when it's long-time friends of hers

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s not lena’s, although we don’t have it right now but, after their upcoming threesome, Ian should get Solo scenes with emma or not? with Lena’s consent ofcourse. Logic fails here if you say no.

and if you apply the same logic of why Ian & Louise cannot have a solo scene after their threesome on Ivy, then that would actually suck. This “Open” relationship is shaping up to be wayy more sexually beneficial for Lena when they agreed to explore Together

 

[Socrambus]

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have.


Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her just the same?

All true. But once Lena "outs" herself with Louise and (sort of) Ivy, would it be okay for her to fuck Louise or Ivy solo after their threesome with Ian?. And if so, wouldn't it also be okay for Ian to fuck them solo too?. I get the "I fuck my hot friend and then bring her to our bed" but I'm not sure what's the etiquette after that, never been in that situation myself. Also, just out of curiosity, any woman or bi guy available to offer some perspective on how it would work if Ian fucks Jeremy and offers Lena a threesome afterwards?.

 

[ffive]

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s not lena,

I was talking about Ivy and Louise in the early game. In the late game Lena will only have sex with Emma if she and Ian talked about wanting to have threesome, otherwise she'll automatically kick Emma out.

and if you apply the same logic of why Ian & Louise cannot have a solo scene after their threesome on Ivy, then that would actually suck. This “Open” relationship is shaping up to be wayy more sexually beneficial for Lena.

The open relationship branch allows Ian to fuck Louise solo without asking. And Lena won't ask Ian about any permission on this branch, but merely inform him that she might fool around while on the trip.

All true. But once Lena "outs" herself with Louise and (sort of) Ivy, would it be okay for her to fuck Louise or Ivy solo after their threesome with Ian?. And if so, wouldn't it also be okay for Ian to fuck them solo too?

IMO that's a no on both counts. A threesome is one thing, and fucking someone without presence of your partner is another. It wouldn't be okay to fuck Ivy or Louise solo after the threesome for neither Lena nor Ian. Unless they're in open relationship of course, but then it wouldn't even require a threesome as pre-requirement.

 

[Canto Forte]

This is the whole thing - LEna only gets off the beaten path to end with Ian if we, the players, push her to do THINGS THAT ARE AGAINST HER CORE BELIEFS, SICKEN HER TO BARFING AND ANGER HER TO DEATH. Lena starts out REJECTING THE HOE, SEX OBJECT LIFE - THAT IS HER WHOLE CHARACTER TRAIT.

if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her and still demand to be allowed to do it just the same?

To add to this, it's also just not worth it for Eva to add the option to ask about Louise

Ian is starting to open up to girls after the hardest of breakups and is working hard on it - the only deeper relationship match is Lena - if she wiggles her way through all the WHORING SEX OBJECT SCENES, the ones that WE, THE PLAYERS, CAN THROW HER INTO RATHER QUICKLY.

Groups of swingers or simply text messaging between the THREESOME ENTHOUSIASTS WILL ENSURE TOTAL CONTROL AND KNOWLEDGE, ALSO BEING CONFIDENT THE THIRD PARTY IS NOT STEALING OR ROMANCING YOUR GIRL IS THE KEY.

I get the "I fuck my hot friend and then bring her to our bed" but I'm not sure what's the etiquette after that, never been in that situation myself. Also, just out of curiosity, any woman or bi guy available to offer some perspective on how it would work if Ian fucks Jeremy and offers Lena a threesome afterwards?.

It wouldn't be okay to fuck Ivy or Louise solo after the threesome for neither Lena nor Ian.

bEING INSECURE because you have estranged relationships or no relationships with the other girl LEna wants to bang is a break up issue that is totally swept under the rug. PLayers wanna see Lena banged so she gets to be the whore in the game, the one you can watch, that is.

Permission means nothing to the third person, so it never actually worlks. They are esentially cheating without repercussions,
which this game WAS BUILT UPON.

Ian at his most upset still treats Lena sleeping with women as different from sleeping with men.

Thats why i gave the emma example.

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s, so he gets to fkk her all day every day by the room mate logic of Ivy or Louise.
Ivy accepting anything with Jeremy, by the way, is the most story breaking stunt this game does early to be brainless porn all the away.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

I was talking about Ivy and Louise in the early game. In the late game Lena will only have sex with Emma if she and Ian talked about wanting to have threesome, otherwise she'll automatically kick Emma out.

Then why don’t they directly have a threesome? Why does Lena have to have a Solo lesbian scene with every threesome candidate first? I don’t get that. Why does The arrangement to explore together needs to pass through Lena experiencing everything first and then sharing that with Ian, does not seem logical.

 

[fatpussy123]

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s not lena, although we don’t have it right now but, after their upcoming threesome, Ian should get Solo scenes with emma or not? with Lena’s consent ofcourse. Logic fails here if you say no.

and if you apply the same logic of why Ian & Louise cannot have a solo scene after their threesome on Ivy, then that would actually suck. This “Open” relationship is shaping up to be wayy more sexually beneficial for Lena.

The logic doesn't fail just because you disagree with it. Logic only fails when it contradicts itself. So far the logic both Ian and Lena have been operating under is "it's not that big of a deal if girls in relationships sleep with other girls". That's it. Even in the most recent update when Lena says she slept with Emma or when Lena asks for permission to sleep with Ivy, Ian can choose to be upset. But it's not nearly as upset as he'd be if Lena randomly asked to sleep with another man on her trip or if she said she slept with one of Ian's male friends. Ian at his most upset still treats Lena sleeping with women as different from sleeping with men.