VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[notstaged]

It is not even mentioned, its presumed.

The game is still in active development, this particular chapter is in beta, shit is being fixed and added on the go. It is likely both cases of Lena texting about "asking permission" was just thrown in there, since open relationship path is not a priority and is often left behind as an afterthought in favor of other major plots. I would recommend to stop obsessing over it.

Anyway, EK didn't put much thought into Louise situation beyond the broad concept of "what if Lena had a girl on a leash, wouldn't that be fun". After the threesome Lena's explanation of their shared history went something like "well, we're just small bean girls, doing girly things, like reading Vanity Fair together and I just kind of shoved a dildo up her snatch, those things happen" and the whole thing got shrugged off.

 

[haryel]

Do anyone have saves for each of the routes for ch12 onwards?

 

[ffive]

“Together” means Lena as well, she is going around fucking every girl solo without even telling Ian first.

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have. This is in accordance with the choices you've made about their relationship.

If you want Ian to fuck Louise solo just turn Lena/Ian in open relationship. It's this simple. In this scenario it'll actually cost Ian a will point to pass on Louise's offer.

When Ian & Louise were flirting, would it had been wrong for Ian to ask lena, “Hey, ever since we had that 3some, louise has been trying to grt me to fuck her, would it be okay if i had sexual fun with her?”.

Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. He explains it in his internal monologues. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her and still demand to be allowed to do it just the same?

 

[varpep]

Surprise, surprise... It's funny that you think that a woman would cheat on a guy with another woman because of sex.

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This makes so much sense! I may not be gay but put a dick in front of me and I'm sucking the soul out of that man on God! No pause! All homo!

 

[fatpussy123]

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have.


Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her just the same?

To add to this, it's also just not worth it for Eva to add the option to ask about Louise. Most relationships in this game are half run by the player and other half by the game, but Ian x Lena is player choosing against their own choices, controlling both sides. Making branches for this path is complex enough. If you were to add asking about Louise, Lena would automatically refuse and you'd complain about the lack of control there. If you then added the choice to control Lena's answer you're adding way too much complexity for something that's really not that important nor beneficial for the game.

 

[Geigi]

This makes so much sense! I may not be gay but put a dick in front of me and I'm sucking the soul out of that man on God! No pause! All homo!

Well, according to bisexual men, a man better suck cocks than a woman, so... it's all about practice.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

when it's long-time friends of hers

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s not lena’s, although we don’t have it right now but, after their upcoming threesome, Ian should get Solo scenes with emma or not? with Lena’s consent ofcourse. Logic fails here if you say no.

and if you apply the same logic of why Ian & Louise cannot have a solo scene after their threesome on Ivy, then that would actually suck. This “Open” relationship is shaping up to be wayy more sexually beneficial for Lena when they agreed to explore Together

 

[Socrambus]

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have.


Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her just the same?

All true. But once Lena "outs" herself with Louise and (sort of) Ivy, would it be okay for her to fuck Louise or Ivy solo after their threesome with Ian?. And if so, wouldn't it also be okay for Ian to fuck them solo too?. I get the "I fuck my hot friend and then bring her to our bed" but I'm not sure what's the etiquette after that, never been in that situation myself. Also, just out of curiosity, any woman or bi guy available to offer some perspective on how it would work if Ian fucks Jeremy and offers Lena a threesome afterwards?.

 

[ffive]

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s not lena,

I was talking about Ivy and Louise in the early game. In the late game Lena will only have sex with Emma if she and Ian talked about wanting to have threesome, otherwise she'll automatically kick Emma out.

and if you apply the same logic of why Ian & Louise cannot have a solo scene after their threesome on Ivy, then that would actually suck. This “Open” relationship is shaping up to be wayy more sexually beneficial for Lena.

The open relationship branch allows Ian to fuck Louise solo without asking. And Lena won't ask Ian about any permission on this branch, but merely inform him that she might fool around while on the trip.

All true. But once Lena "outs" herself with Louise and (sort of) Ivy, would it be okay for her to fuck Louise or Ivy solo after their threesome with Ian?. And if so, wouldn't it also be okay for Ian to fuck them solo too?

IMO that's a no on both counts. A threesome is one thing, and fucking someone without presence of your partner is another. It wouldn't be okay to fuck Ivy or Louise solo after the threesome for neither Lena nor Ian. Unless they're in open relationship of course, but then it wouldn't even require a threesome as pre-requirement.

 

[Canto Forte]

This is the whole thing - LEna only gets off the beaten path to end with Ian if we, the players, push her to do THINGS THAT ARE AGAINST HER CORE BELIEFS, SICKEN HER TO BARFING AND ANGER HER TO DEATH. Lena starts out REJECTING THE HOE, SEX OBJECT LIFE - THAT IS HER WHOLE CHARACTER TRAIT.

if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her and still demand to be allowed to do it just the same?

To add to this, it's also just not worth it for Eva to add the option to ask about Louise

Ian is starting to open up to girls after the hardest of breakups and is working hard on it - the only deeper relationship match is Lena - if she wiggles her way through all the WHORING SEX OBJECT SCENES, the ones that WE, THE PLAYERS, CAN THROW HER INTO RATHER QUICKLY.

Groups of swingers or simply text messaging between the THREESOME ENTHOUSIASTS WILL ENSURE TOTAL CONTROL AND KNOWLEDGE, ALSO BEING CONFIDENT THE THIRD PARTY IS NOT STEALING OR ROMANCING YOUR GIRL IS THE KEY.

I get the "I fuck my hot friend and then bring her to our bed" but I'm not sure what's the etiquette after that, never been in that situation myself. Also, just out of curiosity, any woman or bi guy available to offer some perspective on how it would work if Ian fucks Jeremy and offers Lena a threesome afterwards?.

It wouldn't be okay to fuck Ivy or Louise solo after the threesome for neither Lena nor Ian.

bEING INSECURE because you have estranged relationships or no relationships with the other girl LEna wants to bang is a break up issue that is totally swept under the rug. PLayers wanna see Lena banged so she gets to be the whore in the game, the one you can watch, that is.

Permission means nothing to the third person, so it never actually worlks. They are esentially cheating without repercussions,
which this game WAS BUILT UPON.

Ian at his most upset still treats Lena sleeping with women as different from sleeping with men.

Thats why i gave the emma example.

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s, so he gets to fkk her all day every day by the room mate logic of Ivy or Louise.
Ivy accepting anything with Jeremy, by the way, is the most story breaking stunt this game does early to be brainless porn all the away.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

I was talking about Ivy and Louise in the early game. In the late game Lena will only have sex with Emma if she and Ian talked about wanting to have threesome, otherwise she'll automatically kick Emma out.

Then why don’t they directly have a threesome? Why does Lena have to have a Solo lesbian scene with every threesome candidate first? I don’t get that. Why does The arrangement to explore together needs to pass through Lena experiencing everything first and then sharing that with Ian, does not seem logical.

 

[fatpussy123]

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s not lena, although we don’t have it right now but, after their upcoming threesome, Ian should get Solo scenes with emma or not? with Lena’s consent ofcourse. Logic fails here if you say no.

and if you apply the same logic of why Ian & Louise cannot have a solo scene after their threesome on Ivy, then that would actually suck. This “Open” relationship is shaping up to be wayy more sexually beneficial for Lena.

The logic doesn't fail just because you disagree with it. Logic only fails when it contradicts itself. So far the logic both Ian and Lena have been operating under is "it's not that big of a deal if girls in relationships sleep with other girls". That's it. Even in the most recent update when Lena says she slept with Emma or when Lena asks for permission to sleep with Ivy, Ian can choose to be upset. But it's not nearly as upset as he'd be if Lena randomly asked to sleep with another man on her trip or if she said she slept with one of Ian's male friends. Ian at his most upset still treats Lena sleeping with women as different from sleeping with men.

 

[ffive]

Then why don’t they directly have a threesome?

Because Ian is physically not there? I mean sure, EK could just not have Lena/Emma scene and the only one you'd get instead would be the threesome down the road. But would you genuinely consider that an improvement, at least in terms of amount of provided content?

 

[Socrambus]

IMO that's a no on both counts. A threesome is one thing, and fucking someone without presence of your partner is another. It wouldn't be okay to fuck Ivy or Louise solo after the threesome for neither Lena nor Ian. Unless they're in open relationship of course, but then it wouldn't even require a threesome as pre-requirement.

Ok, but what's the difference with fucking them solo before the threesome?. I mean, I can give you that Louise and Ivy are Lena's best friends and the messing around starts before Lena is in a relationship with Ian. But what about Emma?, she fucks her solo thinking it will be ok because Ian would be happy with a threesome. And he would be, but Lena can just ask Emma for a threesome, no need to fuck Emma by herself. Or maybe it's just some betatesting .

 

[Radnos Salazar]

The logic doesn't fail just because you disagree with it. Logic only fails when it contradicts itself. So far the logic both Ian and Lena have been operating under is "it's not that big of a deal if girls in relationships sleep with other girls". That's it. Even in the most recent update when Lena says she slept with Emma or when Lena asks for permission to sleep with Ivy, Ian can choose to be upset. But it's not nearly as upset as he'd be if Lena randomly asked to sleep with another man on her trip or if she said she slept with one of Ian's male friends. Ian at his most upset still treats Lena sleeping with women as different from sleeping with men.

The logic was Lena was having sex with her long time friends, so it was okay for a Solo scene there.
But Ian is not their long term friend, so it would be bad for him to have a solo scene with them.
Thats why i gave the emma example.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Surprise, surprise... It's funny that you think that a woman would cheat on a guy with another woman because of sex.

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I'm confused, I ain't never said nothing about better sex between lesbians and straight women nor did I bring up anything about enjoyment

I just said men and women process being cheated on differently. A dude just ain't gonna think whether a woman has a bigger dick than him or if she has more stamina than him so there's a layer of insecurity inherent to men and performance that isn't there when women cheat on with other women.

Same for women, a straight woman being cheated on is gonna question her age and looks (and sometimes "tightness", especially after pregnancy) if the cheating happened with another woman but if it's a man, that whole aspect is just thrown out the window.

 

[ffive]

But what about Emma?, she fucks her solo thinking it will be ok because Ian would be happy with a threesome.

Like i mentioned on the pure path this development only happens if Ian and Lena explicitly talked about having a threesome, so this is effectively Lena "scouting" for this very purpose. If Lena and Ian don't plan to have threesomes then Lena politely ends the night early.

 

[fatpussy123]

The logic was Lena was having sex with her long time friends, so it was okay for a Solo scene there.
But Ian is not their long term friend, so it would be bad for him to have a solo scene with them.
Thats why i gave the emma example.

No the logic is that Lena doesn't see sleeping with Emma or any other woman while in a relationship as bad. Which is why she will sleep with women while dating Ian. You can disagree with that logic, but it is something that she always has. Ian also tends to agree with this logic.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

Ok, but what's the difference with fucking them solo before the threesome?. I mean, I can give you that Louise and Ivy are Lena's best friends and the messing around starts before Lena is in a relationship with Ian. But what about Emma?, she fucks her solo thinking it will be ok because Ian would be happy with a threesome.

Good point. Although Thats only with louise, Lena messes around with Ivy after the relationship with Ian beings.
That’s what i mean, Lena can “Cheat or Not Cheat”, and have solo scenes with girls before and I’m pretty sure it would be after the threesomes as well.
But Ian can only enjoy those girls when Lena is there. Its unfair, Have Ian ask Lena’s permission to fuck ivy the same way she is asking Ian’s.
She did not even ask permission to fuck Emma btw that’s Ian’s best friend.
And you have an option to get angry at Lena for that, but that option just cancels out the threesome with Emma. So who would choose that lol

 

[Socrambus]

Like i mentioned on the pure path this development only happens if Ian and Lena explicitly talked about having a threesome, so this is effectively Lena "scouting" for this very purpose. If Lena and Ian don't plan to have threesomes then Lena politely ends the night early.

I like scouting to define what Lena does. Poor Axel should have explained what he did with Cherry before their threesome with Lena as "scouting" and we would have no game because he and Lena would still be together. Luckily for us, he wasn't smart enough .