VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Canto Forte]

This is the game, tho. Lena has to choose .. to be a sex tool to everyone,
while Ian cannot. Literally, should anyone make logical, not sneaky or jerk dialogue shoices,
Ian will not get with anybody, his cheating bartender manwhore will steal all his love interests,
while Lena will still just have the most heartwarming conversations with him and steal his coworker away.

You have here a fair point and I can flow your argument. On the other side it always depends on how you see Lena and what you as player think she desires. I don’t think that Lena is really so in need for a sexual adventure, especially in this early stage. It’s Ivy which pushes Lena in this direction, and for me it’s not so obvious that Lena is really “looking” for some quick sex.

Also, she is very careful with her approached towards Ian. Clearly this are two different stories and she don’t know Ian and this approached make sense. But on the other side fucking with a working colleague is also something that could lead to problems, especially if you have already a lot of issues.

I agree, she’s not really looking for a quick hookup at that point, and she hasn’t decided yet if she agrees with Ivy that she needs it… But then a possibility suddenly emerges, and she’s got to make a quick decision: Reject him because she’s not ready for it yet, and/or because he’s a bit creepy — or just go with the flow and have a decent fuck and take another step in moving on from Axel. But it’s true that their working relationship complicates it — and as far as I can remember Lena isn’t really considering that part, which she definitely could have.

I got a feeling Ivy was in it with Axel with some kind of deal to lure Lena to his studio and to show up late so he could have alone time with Lena. I felt it was a bs excuse that she came up with being late.

Yeah I think so too, I feel like she's selling Lena to her psycho ex in exchange for a good word with the wildcats.

Another detail about Lena's change that I forgot to mention was the fact that she can become more comfortable merging her day job, and her side-hustle as a model. The fact that Lena can so excitedly suggest that she is willing to pose nude at the cafe to save it shows how she's changed, when in the first chapters she felt very stressed whenever Van Dykes learned that she was posing nude, and how casually Ed exploited that fact to disregard her privacy.

On the other hand, every time Lena gets to pursue a coworker, he is already in her business,
while Ian has to grind like a work dog like, for ever, until any meaningful feelings can emerge
in his work place.

 

[Daken9]

May be late to the discussion, and may be the only one saying this, but i did find that most - if not all - of Lena's 'introspection' moments didn't exactly help in endearing her to me. They just go from mindboggingly boring (aka, CTRL mode) in her good route, to just straight non-sense in her bad ones.

And i use the word non-sense because the 'corruption' routes feel quite tacked on to me, almost needing the character to go against the characterization to satisfy the porn quota. Like, i can safely say all the flimsy writing (and ensuing underhanded hypocrisy) running rampant in any of her non-squeaky clean routes served only to make Lena more genuinely dislikeable than 'porn-game corrupt', possibly because of the tone of the game and - again - of how she's otherwise written.

 

[PervySageKem]

May be late to the discussion, and may be the only one saying this, but i did find that most - if not all - of Lena's 'introspection' moments didn't exactly help in endearing her to me. They just go from mindboggingly boring (aka, CTRL mode) in her good route, to just straight non-sense in her bad ones.

And i use the word non-sense because the 'corruption' routes feel quite tacked on to me, almost needing the character to go against the characterization to satisfy the porn quota. Like, i can safely say all the flimsy writing (and ensuing underhanded hypocrisy) running rampant in any of her non-squeaky clean routes served only to make Lena more genuinely dislikeable than 'porn-game corrupt', possibly because of the tone of the game and - again - of how she's otherwise written.

That's pretty much it.

Since the last time I commented there have been a lot of good posts. The majority seems to have some trouble relating with Lena. She's a great character if you follow a certain path for her and other paths really don't work out.

In a game with two MCs and a game that the whole premise is to force them to collide with each other, it's just natural to feel the drive to create a story in which they will both be the happiest.

It's called Our Red String - the characters are connected irrevocably, which I consider a mistake. If we could just ignore Lena, all alternative paths would be very comfortable to follow. But since we can't ignore her and since it's very probable that, while playing Ian, we'll be attracted to her... 80% of the content gets blocked.

The game is very well made, the art is good, the dialogue is okay, but it's just an uncomfortable experience (the alpha predator Jeremy being constantly trying to fuck every girl around us is also cringe as fuck).

 

[TheUnforeseenMessenger]

The game literally starts with Ian's POV and not with Lena's POV. Additionally, most players of these games are male, which further makes us consider him the "Main Protoganist", and Lena the second protagonist.

It would be disingenuous to say the opposite. We "instrumentalize" Lena, going for the routes we go with her for selfish reasons (even if they are bad for Lena). At the same time, we naturally tend to make the best choices for Ian and try to make Lena be the best gf possible for him.

None of this is bad, it's actually good. But it does mean that the things that worked for GGGB may not work for ORS.



In GGGB you were always on Ashley's shoes and only Ashley's shoes. The perspective is exclusively hers. You naturally get immersed and you are free to make choices

I'll give a more concrete example:

I didn't give a fuck about Ashley's boyfriend, I cheated on him, fucked his Dad, fucked whoever I wanted with no remorse. On GGGB, I just wanted to have fun through Ashley's POV.

While playing ORS, while playing has Lena, I avoided all content that didn't involve Ian. Because I "wasn't Lena". I was Ian, just controlling what Lena was doing and I wanted her all for myself.

It's not that hard to understand, tbh. But not everyone gets immersed in stories, it's pretty rare.

I agree. And since the way the game is written puts us in the shoes of Ian, most of the Lena content is just really painful to watch. The fact that she needs to be with other people (robert, mike or louise) for there to be a possibility for an open relationship/polyamory relationship kinda sucks (since those three pairings in particular really don't fit the personality of a girl that would date Ian. If she were the type to date Ian, she wouldnt date those three.).

I think Eva should've made Lena and Ian not cross paths at all for most of the game and then create a possibility to come together in the future. Since they meet in the beginning, only cucks will play out the Lena paths. GGGB didn't have this problem since the players never gave a fuck about the idiot BF, we were living things out through Ashley's perspective. In ORS, we live moslty through Ian and we want our OTP to be faithful.

With comments like these, it's loud and clear about your 'moral' values.

ORS made it VERY CLEAR that you would get to play two characters. To ignore this entirely would be "disingenuous". (I'm glad you know the word because your point is, imo, disingenous).

Your point was that because we started with Ian, we shouldn't get to play another character, especially one that connects with Ian How silly is this, really?

Moreover, you specifically said "only cucks" will play out the Lena paths, which ignores the fact that some people just want to see sex scenes, regardless if they are cucks or not. Some people don't connect Lena with Ian at all, so how is it that they are "cucks"?

You don't really know what you're talking about.

 

[TheUnforeseenMessenger]

That's pretty much it.

Since the last time I commented there have been a lot of good posts. The majority seems to have some trouble relating with Lena. She's a great character if you follow a certain path for her and other paths really don't work out.

In a game with two MCs and a game that the whole premise is to force them to collide with each other, it's just natural to feel the drive to create a story in which they will both be the happiest.

It's called Our Red String - the characters are connected irrevocably, which I consider a mistake. If we could just ignore Lena, all alternative paths would be very comfortable to follow. But since we can't ignore her and since it's very probable that, while playing Ian, we'll be attracted to her... 80% of the content gets blocked.

The game is very well made, the art is good, the dialogue is okay, but it's just an uncomfortable experience (the alpha predator Jeremy being constantly trying to fuck every girl around us is also cringe as fuck).

So what's the point in the concept at all, and how does this make the game "very well made", since you think the idea is broken?

I remember in an earlier post that you only like to go through one playthrough before moving on to another. That's a YOU problem, not anyone else.

The whole point of GGGB and this one is to see the consequences of one's actions. If you don't like it, then don't bother being a 'cuck'. You have control of the two characters, and now you're complaining that you can't see the rest of the content. Just endless complaining.

 

[TheUnforeseenMessenger]

May be late to the discussion, and may be the only one saying this, but i did find that most - if not all - of Lena's 'introspection' moments didn't exactly help in endearing her to me. They just go from mindboggingly boring (aka, CTRL mode) in her good route, to just straight non-sense in her bad ones.

And i use the word non-sense because the 'corruption' routes feel quite tacked on to me, almost needing the character to go against the characterization to satisfy the porn quota. Like, i can safely say all the flimsy writing (and ensuing underhanded hypocrisy) running rampant in any of her non-squeaky clean routes served only to make Lena more genuinely dislikeable than 'porn-game corrupt', possibly because of the tone of the game and - again - of how she's otherwise written.

So how does one decide to do 'bad' things then? Is temptation not a thing in your book? If some hot dude gives you attention, and you think you like him, would you do something with him? Seems to be pretty simple that a choice can be made by people on a whim. Does there need to be an elaborate explanation for why a chick decides to do a one night stand?

Come on.

 

[Daken9]

So how does one decide to do 'bad' things then? Is temptation not a thing in your book? If some hot dude gives you attention, and you think you like him, would you do something with him? Seems to be pretty simple that a choice can be made by people on a whim. Does there need to be an elaborate explanation for why a chick decides to do a one night stand?

Come on.

Sure, but Lena's simply too enstablished as a character for me not to call that bad writing. Just look at Ian, comparatively he's way more of a blank-slate and therefore very few - if none - of his routes feel like an out-of-character experience. Point-in-case, Ashley was just the same, and i dary say that's one of the reasons most seem to like her better than Lena (granted, i'd wager it's also to do with GGGB's side-characters trumping everyone from Lena's route in every way possible).

 

[ekroniuk]

I don't think Lena/Axel was badly written, in fact I think that it is very good written "corruption" route, maybe even best I've seen. Firstly he tries desperately to get her back, but she doesn't want anything to do with him. So he gets smart and "accidentally" slips polaroid to her hand. She let's the temptation get's better of her and reminiscence about her submission to him. Later during the photoshoot he has an opportunity to gets more "physical" and he's doing it, but he keeps control of himself and even pretend to be calm and collected after it.

Then he makes the deal with Ivy and she pushes Lena into his clutches. Finally he got her, but even after the act he assures Lena that it was only one time for old time sake. He gradually conquers her back. I think it's hot and in character for sub Lena who likes to fantasize about being a sex slave.

I think it is more interesting than any corruption route from GGGB. Besides their sex scene is the hottest in the game.

 

[bauman]

I wonder if ORS would've been a better game if Lena and Ivy swapped personalities with a reverse corruption path for the female protagonist. The player gets the choice to stay with Lena's default promiscuous state or change her gradually. That way, the dev can easily fit more slutty scenes in the story early on and have a well-defined romance path with the male protagonist at the same time without compromising the narrative.

Currently, I don't enjoy Lena's corruption that much. It feels to me like she's experiencing cognitive dissonance quite often. Also, most of her potential sexual partners outside Ian are just losers, which isn't the case on Ian's path. The narrative even drops some clues that Lena should abstain from casual sex with other men: her cat hissing, Robert pressuring her to a first date, Mike's girlfriend, Jeremy fucking around, etc.

In GGGB, the corruption path and all the wicked shit Ashley subjected herself felt right given the circumstances, even though some of them were hilarious and very out there. Maybe the more lighthearted tone of that game had something to do with it.

 

[PervySageKem]

I'm telling you, i'm way more interested in a hypothetical Ian/Ivy path than i am in anything Ian/Lena related. Like, come on, regular dude and party girl, shit writes itself.

Ivy is pretty hot, it's a shame she doesn't even look at Ian. Maybe if we kick Jeremy's ass in the MMA tournament she'll rethink her choices xD

 

[bauman]

Ivy is pretty hot, it's a shame she doesn't even look at Ian. Maybe if we kick Jeremy's ass in the MMA tournament she'll rethink her choices xD

Ian can flirt with Ivy if he's chad enough. She even kisses him on the cheek at the bar if he tells Axel to his face that he's banging his ex-girlfriend.

 

[PervySageKem]

Ian can flirt with Ivy if he's chad enough. She even kisses him on the cheek at the bar if he tells Axel to his face that he's banging his ex-girlfriend.

I know, but right now (as of chapter 9) that is the only interaction he has with her.

To be perfectly honest, I don't really like Ivy's personality that much. I just think her art is really good and the possible angle of "taming the wild girl" might be hot.

 

[DavDR]

That's pretty much it.

Since the last time I commented there have been a lot of good posts. The majority seems to have some trouble relating with Lena. She's a great character if you follow a certain path for her and other paths really don't work out.

In a game with two MCs and a game that the whole premise is to force them to collide with each other, it's just natural to feel the drive to create a story in which they will both be the happiest.

It's called Our Red String - the characters are connected irrevocably, which I consider a mistake. If we could just ignore Lena, all alternative paths would be very comfortable to follow. But since we can't ignore her and since it's very probable that, while playing Ian, we'll be attracted to her... 80% of the content gets blocked.

The game is very well made, the art is good, the dialogue is okay, but it's just an uncomfortable experience (the alpha predator Jeremy being constantly trying to fuck every girl around us is also cringe as fuck).

In my playthru I enjoy making Ian the cuck.

 

[Baka!]

There are so many things that this game has that I don't want to appear in future games from Eva Kiss... I don't want more dual protagonists, I really think it's something that delays the plot a lot, What happens if Eva suddenly realizes that the story and conclusion of one of its protagonists is longer to conclude than the other? adjustments will have to be made and therefore delays and rewriting, not to mention that it is likely that one protagonist will suffer worse development than the other, I do not want so many stats, GGGB was already a game that had some errors in each update, but those errors have increased in this game to the point that you are almost forced to start your game from the beginning on every update.
I predict that this game will take a long time to be finished due to Eva calculation errors and revamps

 

[dolfe67]

Having 2 playable protagonists of the same importance (about same amount of content for each one), and having the option to romance themselves is a very peculiar feeling

 

[RedWyne007]

Great game i will sub soon This is of the few games i like playing with female lead and it does it amazing,Its in my top 3 games right now...And one request if dev sees this can you add more orgasm options? Face body or creampie? For future pregnancy stuff if its possible? Also i dont mind more cum or leaking stuff if you get what i mean

 

[TheBlackGungir]

I actually like the dual protagonist and the stat system it makes the game more interesting than a lot of games on here, the thing I will say though is if Eva makes another one of her games don't come in with the idea of because of the last game I need to do this like the last game.
Lena corruption route is so weird and not needed and I absolutely love corruption but in this game, it just feels forced the game would serve so much better if she had fucking around path but in complete control of herself (Like Ian) but hurting the people around her a better more subtle corruption like she starts losing interest in music and modeling or cares more about the money than the passion as of right the corruption seems more routine and IMO doesn't work as well.

With that being said I enjoy Lena's side way more than Ian. Ian's side to me is insanely boring at times like Chad Ian is ok but to me, the Chad friends and Ian and Jeremy are actually way better than it should be. The only thing about Ian's side is his RO actually exists and are great.
Haven't run into any errors besides the purposeful ones and I don't mind the wait cause at least I know with her it's pure quality and the stat system so refreshing and simple and allows for multiple playthroughs.

 

[dundun]

God I sure hope so. The reduction of Lena to a sex object being her only path to success would leave a sour taste in my mouth.

EvaKiss hinted that Lena will need Ian's help to be saved.

I’m not a fan of Robert, and I think he’s had too many scenes with Lena.

But it is just 9 scenes? Only 3 more than anyone else

At the moment Robert tries his luck, it’s a decent option for her. Yes, she’s out of his league, and she could probably have rejected him and found someone better. But the logic of her choice seems obvious: She can skip the job of finding someone else — which can be awkward if you haven’t done it in ages — and it doesn’t feel like a big deal because she’s in no way romantically interested in him. It’s an unexpected, but easy opportunity to get back into it with minimal hazzle. Also he’s decent looking, so there’s no reason to think the sex would be particularly bad.

I wouldn't say he is out of her league, he is a quite strapping young man and the only one with a good job in his age group. It is more that she is really not interrested in him as a person. They are just not compatible.

Just look at how universally despised Robert is, even though he kinda acts as early-game Arthur-lite, the corrupting/liberating force for Lena that gives you a lot of sexy content. And yet, people ignore him despite all that, because they can't believe that any person in Lena's shoes would have self-esteem so low that they would so readily jump Robert's bones. But that could also be the factor where they just want Lena to be a faithful waifu to Ian instead of acting like an independent person.

Ok, that cannot stand!
Robert is nowhere like Arthur. Arthur is a dedicated pervert who tickles numerous kinks like old/young, ugly/pretty, cheating, even something like incest. Robert is.... well, nothing. He is just a normal guy trying to eff Lena. There is no kink at all. People keep making up all the evil deeds he did but he didn't do anything. If he forced Lena to have sex with him at least that would be hot. In reality his big crime, why everybody hates him so much is that he is boring.

 

[DabaDubuDobo]

Anyone know if there will be any planned content for Ed?

 

[SerHawkes]

Ian can flirt with Ivy if he's chad enough. She even kisses him on the cheek at the bar if he tells Axel to his face that he's banging his ex-girlfriend.

Not anymore. It got "rewritten" out. Much like the fact that all of Ivy's content continues to get pushed back and back with any Ian related content. Which is honest to god bullshit. We're 9 Chapters in and all Ivy has to her claim to fucking fame is a half a blowjob/mention blowjob with the resident fuckwit dumbass that apparently deserves to rewarded and not punished at all for his behavior, a hot makeout with Lena, and a half? a threesome with Lena and Holly.

And yet, Eva's gonna have the next update be ALL ABOUT REWORKING STAN. Stan, a character that is pointless, has no plot or interest or adds anything to the story other than a fill in for a voyeur/simp kink, much like fuckwit dumbass Jeremy and his small black cock kink. Meanwhile Ivy's had 2-3 interactions, a little flirting with Ian, but nothing at all in terms of romantic/sexual tension.

And on the topic of things poorly written, hell, a solid amount of the characters are so poorly written and easily hateable I'm beginning to question what Eva was thinking. You have the wannabe fucktoy while being a small black cock kink in Jeremy, who gets called out for cheat and has a chance to come clean yet Eva fails to have it cleared up, Axel the potential rapest, which is badly written in the sense that certainly Lena and Axel could have had a working relationship, Axel getting the hint, but noooo... Let make it that Axel still doesn't get the fucking message and, potentially on how you play, gets raped by this douce of an ass. And lets not mention Geymour, who is coming off as a wannabe Bond Villain. And sure, he can help Lena with the money issues, but really going to the cost of barring her from all workaround town? Way to show all the cards there on who he really is Eva, specially this early. Roberto 'Pusspass' Fuckboi is forgettable entirely, not to mention Mark Wannabe Jack-Type. Ed is creepy as fuck for a old man, despite his wholesome appearence. Perry is a balance between 'Bro, your a dumbass but I love' to 'I will fucking murder you in your fucking sleep while my dick is buried in Emma's ass you fucking cunt'. Wade, before the rewrite, which didn't and still doesn't make any sense to do in the first place, had a steady job and simply needed to work on keeping his girl and investing in the relationship with Cindy.

Overall, as much as I loved this game from the beginning, I'm starting to loose the interest in this. Sure, the lack of Ivy-Ian content, which is straight up bullshit and is getting old, is one of main reasons for my current disinterest, and I am "willing" to give Eva untill Chapter 12 at the most for ANYTHING Ian-Ivy related, for me its the fact that most of the Characters are so cliche and poorly handled and written.