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Yes it's the steven seagal look hopefully stan will have a new attitude and karate chop anyone who gets near his beloved Lena.Did she give Stan a long hair (pony tail) It looks like he has one in that CG.
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I wanted to double-check what she said about having no plans for the upcoming chapters, that she had no certain plan of action, but for some reason her interview disappeared from the website that provided it, and Google doesn't help either.
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I can only say that it really struck me, I was surprised the fact that she always coming up with new content only after she finish current chapter, probably that's why I remembered it.
I gave some thought to what you're saying and I partly agree that it's time-consuming, but that doesn't mean I'm going back my words, though. There is a reason why devs abandoning they projects here in there, and one of the reason is that they bite more than they can chew. Knowing that most of them novice devs, they simply don't know they ability's, they coming up with great ideas and when something go wrong they give up. Eva, on other hand, has at least 1 finished project, so she slightly above those novice writers, but still it stroke her as well, somewhere around chapter 4. So my thought was about having at least some plan, short version of script, if you want. Where you may skip dialogues and detailed scene explanation, but describing key moments. For example: Ian will face Lena and start argue with her about her obsession with BBC, there will be 2 decisions for him, accept it and become cuck, or break up with her; Next scene, Lena coming home and see Stan playing with Lola, she got excited at the thought of these two cute little creatures and approached Stan (small explanation of sex scene). And while it still be time consuming, I doubt it will take year or so, but still it will be a plan, following which she would avoid many of the problems she is now facing.
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It's on the archive:
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Regarding her writing:
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Well, and I would love to see an “I just kicked Stan!” scene with Ian as Shawn Michaels and Jeremey as HHH….
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No not really. A creator working projects and 'Gig' jobs doesn't live on a steady salary, like an hourly worker. At least they didn't before platforms like Patreon, and that's one of the things I consider most poisonous about the Patreon model of game development. It's games by subscription, the very same thing that the AAA Developers have been trying to implement for some time now.
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Unless your goal is to hurry through the decision points so you can unlock sex scenes I don't see how that would work with a story as complex as this one. As Stan's personality changes and he becomes a potential LI his interactions with Lena effect not just their relationship but also Lena's relationship with the other characters.
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Yeah, I was gonna say something similar, but skipped it because my post already was so long. But I agree that a solution like this seems more realistic. It would probably make it easier to realize earlier that Stan as a character wasn't working, at least.
In the interview Eva also says that "if I stopped developing the game organically I would get bored: this way I feel the story and the characters are alive, just like I am". I think that's probably the main thing that needs to be balanced: having enough of a plan to make sure she's not wasting too much time writing the story into dead ends, but still keeping it open enough to let "the characters surprise me and often times take me in unexpected directions". On the paths where it's obvious Eva's planned some of the key moments, I think she's mostly accomplishing that (to the extent it's possible for us to tell), on other paths — like Stan's — maybe not so much.
But that's a different discussion. I don't have any strong feelings about Patreon — it has its strengths and weaknesses. But on the topic of ORS' work flow and how to optimize it, it's surely more relevant to look at how the Patreon models actually affects it, instead of discussing whether other models would be better or not.
I don't think I have one for that particular route, but it should be pretty straightforward to reach it if you make sure Lena's on good terms with Ivy and Holly, and not dating Ian. You also need to encourage Holly to continue taking the pole dancing classes. And then when Lena, Holly and Ivy meet at Ivy's place in chapter 6, you need to stay there and have another drink instead of going home and watch a movie with Holly.
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No, you keep taking the conversation down different paths. The original point was that the Dev's income has no impact on a discussion of how the game is written. This is just a business transaction, the Dev offers a product and I, as a consumer, decide if I want to buy it or not. I don't give a damn about if the Dev operates at a profit or a loss, that's their problem.
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maybe when evakiss start working in the 0.10 versionnew Cindy content when??
I hope during MMA tournament you can fuck cindy in Locker room while wade waits at the seating area.
and i hope we can beat up jeremy and maybe he stops being so annoying.
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and i hope he will get cucked with holly or cindy if he performcse very bad in fight or lose a bet because ivy is evil
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One question. WHEN would you expect her to write the entire outline for the full game? After finishing GGGB, she didn't have 1 or 2 years break to flesh out the complete multi-branching script like big-name authors and script-writers of AAA production do. And if you talk about TV shows, there are still around 6-months breaks between ending the first season and working on the next. And scriptwriters have an entirely different schedule - their work is complete before the shooting and other production starts.
Here, Eva is the entire production crew plus the "guy in a suit" who has to worry about marketing and PR etc. She doesn't have the luxury to rest and write for the next chapter while an art director comes up with sex scene compositions and finds references for background art etc so that the artists could work on the art and finally the coders convert written text into the Ren'py script. For now, she only has the colorists to help her, a coder, a proofreader, and a couple of slaves (yours truly and Lara) to work on the gallery and test bugs. Everything else requires a constant stream of production.
Except it wasn't the original point of the conversation. The original point is that Eva has patrons waiting for her continuous releases. Her patrons get charged up-front each month by Patreon and it was a suitable model for GGGB because the releases were much shorter and the production was faster. But once you pick a charging method on Patreon, you can't undo it, even if you'd like to and you're stuck to that release model. So your fantasies about Eva getting paid per finished update don't address this point at all. There's nothing that can be done about it except pausing the payments (as she did) when you're struggling with delivery. You say you don't give a damn about dev's losses, but do you care about the game's quality? Because you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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This is a weird question, since I already told what I think about it in my previous posts. As I corrected myself in third post, the small script still would do a thing, and it won't take an year or so, but since I found her interview and read it again, all this discussion is pointless. She believe that the way she doing things suits her the most, her "compass" approach. Well, I'm not judging that, lets the result will speak for itself. As I said before, I won't be surprised in the future delays and more burnouts.
You know, I also read other developers and the way they managing their games, and the ones who talked about their workflow, almost all of them said that they have a plan of the story. I don't know how detailed they script is, but to me it seems like a natural thing to do when making a game. I also see developers releasing a new game after the previous one is finished only after some time, from six months to a year, and I assume, they spent that time putting together a detailed plan for their game, not just vacationing in the Bahamas.
But, to be honest, I don't see much point to discuss this further, because she not gonna read this anyway (Her absence on this forum has always frustrated me), and hence will not judge the thought that has been spoken.
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It may be a silly question to ask, but since so many different ways of naming versions are used by other games... does version 0.9 mean it is 90% done or 9% done? Roughly speaking of course and without a request for a release date which would be insane to ask.
GGGB is an awesome game and prefer to wait for the finished product and curious whether it is close to final or still just in the very early stages of development.
GGGB is an awesome game and prefer to wait for the finished product and curious whether it is close to final or still just in the very early stages of development.