VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[JohnDupont]

I released version 0.11 Epilogue Alpha of the JDMOD as Early Access for my patrons. In 7 days it will become public and available for everyone. You can check it out here:

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[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Am I the only one who thinks writing quality is in steady decline? I feel like last 2 chapters was not on par with the rest, I also thought same for the GGGB but leap is bigger in this one.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Am I the only one who thinks writing quality is in steady decline? I feel like last 2 chapters was not on par with the rest, I also thought same for the GGGB but leap is bigger in this one.

EK went all in on making his patreons happy.
Expect tons of BBC and GGGB characters in the future.

 

[Gicoo]

Am I the only one who thinks writing quality is in steady decline? I feel like last 2 chapters was not on par with the rest, I also thought same for the GGGB but leap is bigger in this one.

I suspect it has to do with the writing structure this time. Lena mets a large quantity of characters one after another and no one is given enough time due to her work. Its executed rapidly and rough. In previous chapters, Ian/Lena interacted with entire groups and the conversation changed smoother and more organicaly.

 

[LoneWaker59]

Am I the only one who thinks writing quality is in steady decline? I feel like last 2 chapters was not on par with the rest, I also thought same for the GGGB but leap is bigger in this one.

This is what happens when the dev stops following his original story to follow what the fans (patreons) want.
Don't believe me? Robert/Stan had a rework due to fans complaining, the most "common" fetish in the game is BBC/Cuck because the fans want it, Marcel included in the story just because he had the most votes in a poll, characters from GGGB appearing out of the blue as if ORS was a direct continuation of that game, not to mention that making these characters appear shows that some choices from that game are canon...

Perhaps this is the result of a dev who has already lost his way in the story, or a dev who has so many variables in the story that it's hard to put it all together, because let's be honest, EvaKiss' games are the ones that give you the most freedom of choice! it's not like 90% of games here where the choices are basically "do you want to see the sex scene yes or no?".

 

[Turret]

This is what happens when the dev stops following his original story to follow what the fans (patreons) want.
Don't believe me? Robert/Stan had a rework due to fans complaining, the most "common" fetish in the game is BBC/Cuck because the fans want it, Marcel included in the story just because he had the most votes in a poll,(...)

Very much this!
I am a hobby writer so I know quite a bit about creating stories. While you should listen to what your fans have to say, you also have to stay true to your vision of the story you want to tell! It is one thing to include fan ideas you feel will fit the story quite well. But the moment you include stuff you are not convinced off, just because the fans are making a ruckus, you have lost! It won´t be your story anymore, it will loose cohesion and focus, because you put something in you would not have done so otherwise.

And in ORS we can see this quite well, you already gave some examples. I could add things like "Cindy here and there", one of the most uninteresting characters in the whole game getting so much screentime, just because of some loud fans. And don´t get me started on the "cucking Ian everywhere" thing!
I nearly rage-quitted a playthrough when after the Ian-Alison-Jeremy threesome, where Ian performed really well, you just get a neutral and a cuck option when Ian and Alison talk about the threesome later. Glaringly absent is a positive option (even if several scenes later you and Alison can decide to have a threesome again, which at least mitigates it a bit), which is sub-optimal at best, but is so because EK was bowing to the loudmouths.

 

[jimul18]

This game has jumped the sharknado....I don't even know what that means. But seriously that epilogue was muddled, too many characters/cameos. I get that you want to please the patron first and foremost but not at the expense of the game. If this had been stretched out it would not spark this kind of vitriol, especially in this sub which has been eager to forgive and forget.

Even if she wanted I don't see EK being able to wrap up ORS in the next year in a satisfactory way. I hope this game gets a satisfying conclusion I was pretty happy with the end of GGGB, even though there was potential left out on the table. But here I am not so sure if ORS tries to cater both to a more down to earth "romantic" narrative and fetish driven scenes.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Is this real?

I'd say so. Injections are possible, but quite painful and usually end up pretty lopsided, where this is more of a straight shaft.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

It seems to be the case that the cuck variable and the dom variable is assigned if the no sex route is active. So the only time the dom variable is isolated is when Ian is fucking Lena and she facesits him, in which case what's the point? When Lena tried to tease Ian in the epilogue he resists even though she has the dom variable. Either this gets fixed in chapter 12 or it's a major oversight. Imo the cuck route and the no sex dom route should be separate, but we know how Eva kiss likes to conflate femdom with cuckoldry.

Sad. I hate the femdom crap. (The whole "wanted to be cruel" + auto sex denial + "liked that he was obedient", etc, act that Lena puts on). Plus, why be with someone you care so little for, or vice versa? I'm sure there are others who just want the femdom/auto-sex-denial too, with no other fetishes involved. Double edged sword. But what are you gonna do? So many scenes, so little time.

 

[kevin19997]

Still No Android? Wtf

 

[bauman]

Very much this!
I am a hobby writer so I know quite a bit about creating stories. While you should listen to what your fans have to say, you also have to stay true to your vision of the story you want to tell! It is one thing to include fan ideas you feel will fit the story quite well. But the moment you include stuff you are not convinced off, just because the fans are making a ruckus, you have lost! It won´t be your story anymore, it will loose cohesion and focus, because you put something in you would not have done so otherwise.

And in ORS we can see this quite well, you already gave some examples. I could add things like "Cindy here and there", one of the most uninteresting characters in the whole game getting so much screentime, just because of some loud fans. And don´t get me started on the "cucking Ian everywhere" thing!
I nearly rage-quitted a playthrough when after the Ian-Alison-Jeremy threesome, where Ian performed really well, you just get a neutral and a cuck option when Ian and Alison talk about the threesome later. Glaringly absent is a positive option (even if several scenes later you and Alison can decide to have a threesome again, which at least mitigates it a bit), which is sub-optimal at best, but is so because EK was bowing to the loudmouths.

Let's not pretend it's mostly the fans' fault. The initial idea for ORS was 'GGGB with a stronger emotional connection between the player and the experience.' It was an overambitious project from the get-go. Remember when Eva Kiss thought a bi-monthly update schedule was possible? Simply put, there were many duds along the way. Some were thanks to screeching from Patreon supporters, but most were miscalculations by the dev, the fruit of a hectic development process.

The project didn't find its identity because the dev was unsure where to take it, thanks to the limited pre-planning and doing the bulk of the writing on the go. The multiple re-writes, remasters, etc., confirmed it. It took its toll on the overall storytelling and the characters, too. The best example is Robert, the male NPC with the most sex scenes. It's still hilarious that so much time and effort went to such a nothing character that can get cut completely, and the story won't skip a beat. His continued presence alone proves that polls and fans' opinions influence Eva Kiss only to a certain degree.

Despite the problems, I think ORS can get a proper and satisfactory conclusion. It's not a project doomed to fail, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I guess it's to streamline things, but I do wish Eva included the option for no sex route without railroading Ian into cuckoldry. Its a minor difference, but I'd prefer they be separate with the player option to combine the routes.

I guess there are really three separate groups here. Femdom, Nympho-wife/cheating(or talking about being a slut), sex denial. All mashed into one, to the benefit of no-one but the most extreme fetishists who like all three. I'd personally put the sex denial more in the femdom category (where Lena enjoys "cruelty" + likes that Ian is "obedient") as I don't like either, but maybe that's just me. Also, unless Lena is a chaste "good girl", the sex denial just seems on par with femdom. But it sounds like you separate those two yourself?

Either way, I'm no longer interested in the path at all if it's mashing femdom and sex denial into it again, veering back into GGGB territory. But that's how it goes. We can't all have our cookie.

 

[Swooosh]

I haven’t checked the flags yet but I assume if Lena is in a relationship which Ian then she can’t get the Jeremy scene right? Weird how she can cheat with like three other dudes at this point but Jeremy is off limits in this specific route.

Hey, is this confirmed? I can't get the Jeremy scene

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Let's not pretend it's mostly the fans' fault. The initial idea for ORS was 'GGGB with a stronger emotional connection between the player and the experience.' It was an overambitious project from the get-go. Remember when Eva Kiss thought a bi-monthly update schedule was possible? Simply put, there were many duds along the way. Some were thanks to screeching from Patreon supporters, but most were miscalculations by the dev, the fruit of a hectic development process.

The project didn't find its identity because the dev was unsure where to take it, thanks to the limited pre-planning and doing the bulk of the writing on the go. The multiple re-writes, remasters, etc., confirmed it. It took its toll on the overall storytelling and the characters, too. The best example is Robert, the male NPC with the most sex scenes. It's still hilarious that so much time and effort went to such a nothing character that can get cut completely, and the story won't skip a beat. His continued presence alone proves that polls and fans' opinions influence Eva Kiss only to a certain degree.

Despite the problems, I think ORS can get a proper and satisfactory conclusion. It's not a project doomed to fail, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

Good summary.

 

[Swooosh]

Fantastic update btw! I hope to see more in the cuckold Ian route!

 

[camube]

What is the outcome of Ivy/Jeremy anyway if you respond neutrally with both Ian and Lena? Do they get it on?

To be honest it surprises me a bit that it's made out to be such a big deal. Ivy proclaims the wonders of casual sex to Holly and throws her at randos but orbits around Jeremy as if there is some kind of risk to banging him. I used to wonder if perhaps there will be a romance sub-plot after they'd bang, y'know, they'd catch feelings for each other all of a sudden, but it's taken so long by now to even get past that point.

it looks like Ivy is interested in casual sex with guys that doesn't simp Ivy or benefit Ivy in some ways. Both Billy and Mike fits this category, Jeremy has nothing to offer.

 

[BlandChili]

it looks like Ivy is interested in casual sex with guys that doesn't simp Ivy or benefit Ivy in some ways. Both Billy and Mike fits this category, Jeremy has nothing to offer.

Sure, and like you say that's basically the point of Billy. How does Mike figure though? He has the same role to her as Jeremy after all, sharing a work space with her.

 

[yuvce]

What is the outcome of Ivy/Jeremy anyway if you respond neutrally with both Ian and Lena? Do they get it on?

To be honest it surprises me a bit that it's made out to be such a big deal. Ivy proclaims the wonders of casual sex to Holly and throws her at randos but orbits around Jeremy as if there is some kind of risk to banging him. I used to wonder if perhaps there will be a romance sub-plot after they'd bang, y'know, they'd catch feelings for each other all of a sudden, but it's taken so long by now to even get past that point.

Ivy won't indulge that dumbass unless both Ian and Lena vouch for him. In which case... why are you vouching for that idiot? I don't think it'll happen if you stay neutral or chat shit about him. Whatever miniscule amount of hope the motherfucker had left, went up in smokes when he said "but Louise thinks she's my girlfriend."

 

[| Vee |]

I'm not writing this to trigger anyone but simply questioning Dev as I'm concerned about ORS not being able to achieve it's potential.

I said it after the release of CH11 but after the release of Epilogue and how EK throws us Jack scene + Marcel + trash character getting buncha content(Robert) + Stan reworked, I would say I stand correct about "EK is trying to salvage what's left of ORS". It's pretty saddening in which direction this is going and EK knows it all, she ain't no child in this. She is eating out of her patron's hands and vice versa. I along buncha other's already said before "It has become fetish-driven" and Epilogue proved it true. I have already given up on this. Only CH12 is last hope after that I shall gather my belongings and evacuate the premises immediately bcz it's hopeless after the stunt EK pulled in epilogue. This epilogue burried ORS in grave in terms of story. I don't care how much you liked EK for her previous game, the truth is ORS is not GGGB or it's sequel than WHY THE HELL GGGB's CHARACTER ARE POPPING IN THIS. Is EK admitting that she is not capable of writing a good story, new character's, and is she just a fetish-driven writer? Is she still in writer's block and that's why she is using these tactics?

I was defending EK before CH11 as I was hoping but after this epilogue someone has to shake EK to woke her up from her slumber.

Someone pass it to Eva Kiss and tell her to stick to her vision of ORS not her patron's, don't put them on pedestal bcz by doing this you are only restricting ORS to reach it's potential. You are a great writer that's why I love playing your game despite the fact that I don't play FMC games just bcz of your story writing but you are just wasting your potential by doing these thing's. And you know exactly what you are doing and why you are doing it. Please be true to your vision, we want the story YOU wanted to tell not your Patron's Hope you take this seriously and not as an insult!

 

[ffive]

Sure, and like you say that's basically the point of Billy. How does Mike figure though? He has the same role to her as Jeremy after all, sharing a work space with her.

I suspect Ivy would've hooked up with Jeremy long ago if it wasn't for the drama with Louise and how he wouldn't take Ivy's side in it. So yes, Jeremy and Mike are quite similar in this regard, but Mike didn't sour the prospect early on, the way Jeremy did.