VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Canto Forte]

Ivy is just a pethetic, lonely, whore like version of Lena, if Lena had never had any falling out with Axel.

If Lena embraced promiscuity and had her own lez harem, just like Ivy and just like Jeremy - she would be the girl chad all along.

This game is made by a girl who writes, draws and produces female run harems in her games. Chad whoring girls are the heroes she gives players to toy with and we love it.

And this is not a defense of Ivy. I see her as a manipulative bitch who plays with people for her own advantage and amusement. But she really thinks her way of life and seeing things is the right one, she doesn't see as corrupting getting Lena and Holly to be more like her.

The real double standard in this discussion is considering promiscuity corruption, but only if we are talking about a female character. If it's a male character, then he's a chad.

There never was any double standard - if Lena had no trouble with Ivy, Jeremy or Axel being whores, as this is who those jerks are all game long, there would be nothing to game for. Lena would already be just another whore just like them and game over.

This game is about the disillusioned Ian and Lena, either getting with the whore program and lifestyle their BFFs condone, or try another path or two.

Though that ignores that Ivy/Lena and Ivy/Holly's relationship is very different.

the idea that she treats Lena and Holly differently is, well, just another presumption the game itself doesn't really support.

Jeremy, Ivy and Axel never change the whole game - they are just narcisistic disgusting sex predators who toy with everyone they ever meet just like a Hyena with the prey, including Lena and Ian—those poor souls they torture the most.

 

[Hungover00]

The real double standard in this discussion is considering promiscuity corruption, but only if we are talking about a female character. If it's a male character, then he's a chad. Just imagine an alternative story where Jeremy is Stan's friend and he makes an effort to try to make Stan stop being a virgin. He encourages him to party, have some drinks, maybe some drugs. He wingmans him so he gets some action with some random girls but always insisting on no catching feelings and just have casual sex. And Stan ends up fucking several girls including some thereesomes with Jeremy and let's say being in the other side of Holly's glory hole. Most people would be calling Jeremy the best friend ever and Stan a fucking chad.

And this is not a defense of Ivy. I see her as a manipulative bitch who plays with people for her own advantage and amusement. But she really thinks her way of life and seeing things is the right one, she doesn't see as corrupting getting Lena and Holly to be more like her.

Though you're skipping over Stan and Jeremy sucking each other off if you want to actually mirror the dynamics

I think the same argument could be made though, that Jeremy's influence on Stan was toxic rather than healthy, as it boiled everything down to a pursuit of sex, and viewing sex in a transactional manner.

And I agree, Ivy is a manipulative bitch, but she also believes her actions are correct or even righteous. Seymour would likely relate to her as a fellow Master/Child.

Personally, I do believe having a slutty period in one's life is a good thing overall. The game ignores STI/STDs, pregnancy risk, and minimises potential reputational damage. Domestic violence is also ignored as a threat, and a trip to service a gloryhole is at the extreme edge of a slutty phase. But I view a benevolent slutty phase as being one of exploration and personal growth and understanding. Ivy's version goes a bit beyond that, imo.

But it's a porn game, so reality doesn't need to rear it's ugly head at every corner. This game at least includes condoms, if briefly. So it's ahead of most games here.

 

[Geigi]

The real double standard in this discussion is considering promiscuity corruption, but only if we are talking about a female character. If it's a male character, then he's a chad. Just imagine an alternative story where Jeremy is Stan's friend and he makes an effort to try to make Stan stop being a virgin. He encourages him to party, have some drinks, maybe some drugs. He wingmans him so he gets some action with some random girls but always insisting on no catching feelings and just have casual sex. And Stan ends up fucking several girls including some thereesomes with Jeremy and let's say being in the other side of Holly's glory hole. Most people would be calling Jeremy the best friend ever and Stan a fucking chad.

And this is not a defense of Ivy. I see her as a manipulative bitch who plays with people for her own advantage and amusement. But she really thinks her way of life and seeing things is the right one, she doesn't see as corrupting getting Lena and Holly to be more like her.

It is a double standard which is disgusting. Whether in fiction or life, women are always seen as sluts but men, never. Also, I don't consider that influencing characters to try/do something bad is same as encouraging to be better.

 

[soprano31]

Ivy is just a pethetic, lonely, whore like version of Lena, if Lena had never had any falling out with Axel.

If Lena embraced promiscuity and had her own lez harem, just like Ivy and just like Jeremy - she would be the girl chad all along.

This game is made by a girl who writes, draws and produces female run harems in her games. Chad whoring girls are the heroes she gives players to toy with and we love it.




There never was any double standard - if Lena had no trouble with Ivy, Jeremy or Axel being whores, as this is who those jerks are all game long, there would be nothing to game for. Lena would already be just another whore just like them and game over.

This game is about the disillusioned Ian and Lena, either getting with the whore program and lifestyle their BFFs condone, or try another path or two.

 

[redwolf321]

I was wondering does anybody know whether Molly, Ed, Gillian, and Nat be getting any scenes as I thought they would be bigger parts for them in the narrative.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I was wondering does anybody know whether Molly, Ed, Gillian, and Nat be getting any scenes as I thought they would be bigger parts for them in the narrative.

maybe gillian

 

[dolfe67]

The real double standard in this discussion is considering promiscuity corruption, but only if we are talking about a female character. If it's a male character, then he's a chad. Just imagine an alternative story where Jeremy is Stan's friend and he makes an effort to try to make Stan stop being a virgin. He encourages him to party, have some drinks, maybe some drugs. He wingmans him so he gets some action with some random girls but always insisting on no catching feelings and just have casual sex. And Stan ends up fucking several girls including some thereesomes with Jeremy and let's say being in the other side of Holly's glory hole. Most people would be calling Jeremy the best friend ever and Stan a fucking chad.

And this is not a defense of Ivy. I see her as a manipulative bitch who plays with people for her own advantage and amusement. But she really thinks her way of life and seeing things is the right one, she doesn't see as corrupting getting Lena and Holly to be more like her.

Yes patriarchy and all that jizz. Virgin women are valuable, virgin men are nobodies.

And Holly is an adult, she can make her own decisions, right? Otherwise she should be under care. So if she gets pressured to take drugs, it's on her not on Ivy. And I don't think Ivy roofed her, she just asked her, like we can see how she did with Lena

 

[dolfe67]

I was wondering does anybody know whether Molly, Ed, Gillian, and Nat be getting any scenes as I thought they would be bigger parts for them in the narrative.

Molly no, Ed was abandoned (maybe in a dlc), Gillian maybe one scene outside the dreams, Nat probably not at this point

 

[Socrambus]

Though you're skipping over Stan and Jeremy sucking each other off if you want to actually mirror the dynamics

I think the same argument could be made though, that Jeremy's influence on Stan was toxic rather than healthy, as it boiled everything down to a pursuit of sex, and viewing sex in a transactional manner.

And I agree, Ivy is a manipulative bitch, but she also believes her actions are correct or even righteous. Seymour would likely relate to her as a fellow Master/Child.

Personally, I do believe having a slutty period in one's life is a good thing overall. The game ignores STI/STDs, pregnancy risk, and minimises potential reputational damage. Domestic violence is also ignored as a threat, and a trip to service a gloryhole is at the extreme edge of a slutty phase. But I view a benevolent slutty phase as being one of exploration and personal growth and understanding. Ivy's version goes a bit beyond that, imo.

But it's a porn game, so reality doesn't need to rear it's ugly head at every corner. This game at least includes condoms, if briefly. So it's ahead of most games here.

It's an alternative universe with no STD, reputation or police (IRL, at least in Spain, Axel would sleep in a cell and find himself in front of a judge after going to his ex workplace and hitting a guy). There's a pretty popular game in this site where getting a STD even impacts the path with one LI IIRC, in this game creampies are mostly a kink.

It is a double standard which is disgusting. Whether in fiction or life, women are always seen as sluts but men, never. Also, I don't consider that influencing characters to try/do something bad is same as encouraging to be better.

Yes patriarchy and all that jizz. Virgin women are valuable, virgin men are nobodies.

And Holly is an adult, she can make her own decisions, right? Otherwise she should be under care. So if she gets pressured to take drugs, it's on her not on Ivy. And I don't think Ivy roofed her, she just asked her, like we can see how she did with Lena

My point was not a judgemental one. For example, I find a girl taking part in a glory hole disgusting and would never have a relationship with her. But I wouldn't get my dick sucked in one either. My point is for people to be consistant with their views, whatever they are.

And if you really think about it, when we advice someone about something we oftenly end up just trying to make them more like us. If we thought our lifestyle and views were wrong, we wouldn't have them in the first place. So basically that's the thing with Ivy, she sees it as encouraging Lena and Holly to be better. We can disagree but that's her pov.

 

[Eleanorduval]

It's an alternative universe with no STD, reputation or police (IRL, at least in Spain, Axel would sleep in a cell and find himself in front of a judge after going to his ex workplace and hitting a guy). There's a pretty popular game in this site where getting a STD even impacts the path with one LI IIRC, in this game creampies are mostly a kink.






My point was not a judgemental one. For example, I find a girl taking part in a glory hole disgusting and would never have a relationship with her. But I wouldn't get my dick sucked in one either. My point is for people to be consistant with their views, whatever they are.

And if you really think about it, when we advice someone about something we oftenly end up just trying to make them more like us. If we thought our lifestyle and views were wrong, we wouldn't have them in the first place. So basically that's the thing with Ivy, she sees it as encouraging Lena and Holly to be better. We can disagree but that's her pov.

it is called influence,good or bad.

 

[Hungover00]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

 

[Eleanorduval]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

hey i didn t research that part.can u tell me what happen?

 

[ffive]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

Lena should look in the mirror more often:



I'll start to worry about Holly's expressions after i see her making something approaching this face.

 

[Mr. Notserious]

Molly no, Ed was abandoned (maybe in a dlc), Gillian maybe one scene outside the dreams, Nat probably not at this point

Why my boy Ed is abandoned? the choices we made can lead to good scenes such a wasted character.

 

[varpep]

I miss Molly and Ed. Hope we get to see them soon. I can't wait for Ian to start work at Heirophant and start interacting more with Nat and Clark. It seems the beach house event wrapped up a lot of major story beats nicely. So from here on out, I believe we're in the final laps of the story. I would have been fine with 16 chapters. I just hope Eva is just not going no unnecessarily pad the last few chapters to appease the patreons. Maybe the last few chapters could be like epilogues. I wonder what cards Seymour has left to play. I also wonder what dastardly schemes Axel is concocting to further torment f95zone users lol. Will Ian ever bang Ivy? It's all hearsay atm. Will Perry crash out when he finds out Emma has been banging Jeremy, Ian and Lena? Hopefully he goes all Hulk and gives Jeremy a black eye. How will the Cindy arc end? Hmm...I guess Eva still has a lot of story to cover. Hopefully she can stick the landing cause this game is slowly turning into a development nightmare. Although she has improved her pace over the past few months so I'm still optimistic. Sorry for the incoherent rambling. Waiting for the next update will do that to ya

 

[Xupuzulla]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

Bro is so obvious what is happening in that scene,people are just being dense for the sake of being dense
Ivy is a shit person,a horrendous character who drives a pink car.

 

[varpep]

Bro is so obvious what is happening in that scene,people are just being dense for the sake of being dense
Ivy is a shit person,a horrendous character who drives a pink car.

I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't like Ivy Though I could be wrong...

 

[Xupuzulla]

I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't like Ivy Though I could be wrong...

Whats there to like?
Like seriously what positive this evil soul from Lucifer has for herself?

 

[The Krogan Dude]

I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't like Ivy Though I could be wrong...

Xupuzulla every time Ivy's breathing :

 

[Xupuzulla]

Xupuzulla every time Ivy's breathing :

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I mean shes getting away with drugging her "friends" for her own pleasure so that image is actually spot on