VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[SearingFive]

Holly changes herself like Lena and Ivy because she wants Ian to notice her, it's that simple and not that deep. If Ian is with someone else, then it's a corruption path for Holly if you let Ivy manipulate her. Slutty Holly is still after Ian, you can see her dialogue when she gets with him at the beach house if Ian/Lena breaks up.

If Holly and Ian enter into a relationship earlier, then there is no reason for her to change drastically, sure she can still try to be more confident like Lena but not as slutty as Ivy. That's where Ian's getting over Gillian comes into play if he can commit to Holly or not permanently.

 

[Eleanorduval]

in my game ian and holly did nothing,lena/holly just kissed.The throuple still possible?

 

[Nifferman]

in my game ian and holly did nothing,lena/holly just kissed.The throuple still possible?

Nope. Ian has to be very close or in relationship with Holly or Lena and should also be cool with Holly when she confess the kiss.

 

[Hungover00]

I wonder how many romances (heart options) each character can juggle, and for how long? Ian not with Lena seems to have a good amount, iirc, with Cindy, Cherry, Minerva, Jessica, and maybe Alison and Holly. But a late Alison and slutty Holly. (Holly really gave up on Ian too quickly, if it was real life)

For Lena I imagine it's easy to keep Robert around. DJ-M the romance will blow up in your face. Club-Rat M, probably fine? Then there's Jeremy, Seymour, Axel, Stan, and I think Louise (or is she only ever your pet?), but I don't think you can heart Holly. But you can slam clam down with slutty-Holly, Ivy, and late game Emma.

Probably much easier just to be an orgasm mercenary, all endorphins, no feelings. Though now I'm trying to remember how a pure Ian/Lena run with no threesomes and playing matchmaker plays out. Alison goes hard slutty I assume. Perry you can push towards Cherry or Emma, and you can soften Wade and Cindy's split. Is this the route where Holly could date Stan? Ew. (this is part of why the Holly Trinity is the best, you can have all the 'twu wuv' and not leave Holly out to be preyed upon by vultures. Robert and Clark?! For a smart girl, she has no taste [or just desperate for Ian])

 

[varpep]

I wonder how many romances (heart options) each character can juggle, and for how long? Ian not with Lena seems to have a good amount, iirc, with Cindy, Cherry, Minerva, Jessica, and maybe Alison and Holly. But a late Alison and slutty Holly. (Holly really gave up on Ian too quickly, if it was real life)

For Lena I imagine it's easy to keep Robert around. DJ-M the romance will blow up in your face. Club-Rat M, probably fine? Then there's Jeremy, Seymour, Axel, Stan, and I think Louise (or is she only ever your pet?), but I don't think you can heart Holly. But you can slam clam down with slutty-Holly, Ivy, and late game Emma.

Probably much easier just to be an orgasm mercenary, all endorphins, no feelings. Though now I'm trying to remember how a pure Ian/Lena run with no threesomes and playing matchmaker plays out. Alison goes hard slutty I assume. Perry you can push towards Cherry or Emma, and you can soften Wade and Cindy's split. Is this the route where Holly could date Stan? Ew. (this is part of why the Holly Trinity is the best, you can have all the 'twu wuv' and not leave Holly out to be preyed upon by vultures. Robert and Clark?! For a smart girl, she has no taste [or just desperate for Ian])

IIRC Emma is down for anything including a traditional relationship or an open one. So she might be the go to partner if you wanted to go down this route.

 

[manscout]

I just realised I don't think I've every kept Holly away from pole-dancing class. Kept her away from Ivy, but always fed into her 'wants to be like Lena' aspect. Is there any good content with Holly on that route?

If Holly is not encouraged to keep trying pole-dancing, she will not interact with Ivy at all in some early scenes, this leads to some changes:

-Holly won't go to the sex shop with Lena and Ivy
-Lena's conversation about Holly's past (family, previous relationships, etc) will be had over dinner with Louise, not while drinking with Ivy
-Holly won't be there for the club outing in chapter 7 (where Holly first meets Marcel)
-Holly will wear her glasses instead of contacts during the book fair with Ian
-Holly will be there for the shopping trip with Ivy and Lena in chapter 8, but won't try new underwear
-Holly will be less fit (no defined abs) during the shoot with Lena in chapter 10
-Holly won't go to Ivy's birthday party
-She won't try to flirt with Ian in chapter 11 if Ian is single or broke-up with Lena
-She will comment on having too little stamina after having sex with Ian in chapter 11
-In chapter 11, Holly will unavoidably give pole-dancing another try, if Lena doesn't have sex with Ivy in the showers and doesn't drag Holly into a 3some in the showers either, then she says she will probably try Yoga instead in the future
-In chapter 12, she cannot be "fit" and Perry won't comment on her looking "hotter"
-In chapter 12, she will not try to smoke weed, unless she had the 3some with Ivy in the showers (the 3some activates "holly_slut")

Also it removes some opportunities to increase holly_change, I think you can still get enough points elsewhere but I did not check if all thresholds can be reached.

Overall I'd say keeping her away from pole-dancing is a "anti-corruption" fool-proof measure, with the only opportunity to re-enter kinkier content being the 3some in the showers with Ivy. Otherwise only worth checking out if you want to try a variation of Holly that is "softer" and more nerdy for longer in the story.

 

[Turret]

The whole reason Holly listens to Ivy at all is because she thinks Ian is into that type of girl. She wants to learn from Ivy to get with Ian.

It doesn't change anything from what I've seen,l. But I find the idea of Holly becoming increasingly slutty and garish for an Ian that is such a loser he can't even bag Holly's default personality, because she is misinterpreting the vibe. Well I just find that hilarious.

Holly changes herself like Lena and Ivy because she wants Ian to notice her, it's that simple and not that deep. If Ian is with someone else, then it's a corruption path for Holly if you let Ivy manipulate her. Slutty Holly is still after Ian, you can see her dialogue when she gets with him at the beach house if Ian/Lena breaks up.

If Holly and Ian enter into a relationship earlier, then there is no reason for her to change drastically, sure she can still try to be more confident like Lena but not as slutty as Ivy. That's where Ian's getting over Gillian comes into play if he can commit to Holly or not permanently.

As SearingFive states in his post and I mentioned in earlier posts, Holly changes because she wants Ian to notice her under the missconception he is into slutty girls. How much of a missconception this is actually hinges on how we play Ian. I estimate that Holly will not become more slutty if she and Ian come together after the beach holiday. I think slutty Holly is a late path to be together with Holly if you did not got together earlier.
But that has nothing to do with Ian being a loser, as Blurpee69 falsely assumes. It can be that Ian really likes wild girls and the "new, improved" Holly is exactly what he wants. It might be two-sided shyness which kept them apart earlier.

 

[Barbarian259]

If Holly is not encouraged to keep trying pole-dancing, she will not interact with Ivy at all in some early scenes, this leads to some changes:

-Holly won't go to the sex shop with Lena and Ivy
-Lena's conversation about Holly's past (family, previous relationships, etc) will be had over dinner with Louise, not while drinking with Ivy
-Holly won't be there for the club outing in chapter 7 (where Holly first meets Marcel)
-Holly will wear her glasses instead of contacts during the book fair with Ian
-Holly will be there for the shopping trip with Ivy and Lena in chapter 8, but won't try new underwear
-Holly will be less fit (no defined abs) during the shoot with Lena in chapter 10
-Holly won't go to Ivy's birthday party
-She won't try to flirt with Ian in chapter 11 if Ian is single or broke-up with Lena
-She will comment on having too little stamina after having sex with Ian in chapter 11
-In chapter 11, Holly will unavoidably give pole-dancing another try, if Lena doesn't have sex with Ivy in the showers she says she will probably try Yoga instead in the future
-In chapter 12, she cannot be "fit" and Perry won't comment on her looking "hotter"
-In chapter 12, she will not try to smoke weed

Also it removes some opportunities to increase holly_change, I think you can still get enough points elsewhere but I did not check if all thresholds can be reached.

Overall I'd say keeping her away from pole-dancing is a "anti-corruption" fool-proof measure, with the only opportunity to re-enter kinkier content being the 3some in the showers with Ivy. Otherwise only worth checking out if you want to try a variation of Holly that is "softer" and more nerdy for longer in the story.

is this route possible while Holy love path? because on walkthrought theres written that dating Holy excludes Ivy and Lena

 

[manscout]

is this route possible while Holy love path? because on walkthrought theres written that dating Holy excludes Ivy and Lena

I don't understand what you are asking. I only listed the changes of what happens when you don't encourage Holly to continue taking the pole-dancing classes. Everything else works the same as if she was taking the pole-dancing lessons.

 

[Blurpee69]

As SearingFive states in his post and I mentioned in earlier posts, Holly changes because she wants Ian to notice her under the missconception he is into slutty girls. How much of a missconception this is actually hinges on how we play Ian. I estimate that Holly will not become more slutty if she and Ian come together after the beach holiday. I think slutty Holly is a late path to be together with Holly if you did not got together earlier.
But that has nothing to do with Ian being a loser, as Blurpee69 falsely assumes. It can be that Ian really likes wild girls and the "new, improved" Holly is exactly what he wants. It might be two-sided shyness which kept them apart earlier.

What? I said nothing about Ian needing to be a loser. My first paragraph was agreeing with you and SearingFive, my second paragraph was an aside comment about the actual corruption.

A loser Ian that can't even bag a girl that clearly interested in him. So she changes her style and personality because she thinks Ian isn't interested in her, when he's in fact just a loser and can't pick up on her obvious interest. It's two people interested in each other completely misreading the other and one completely changing who she is as a result. Made even better if in the future Holly sees Ian for the loser he is, in this scenario, and wants nothing to do with him.

It's the kind of corruption I can get behind.

 

[Turret]

What? I said nothing about Ian needing to be a loser. My first paragraph was agreeing with you and @SearingFive, my second paragraph was an aside comment about the actual corruption.

Then it seems to be a misunderstanding, since for me it sounded as if Ian has to be loser here, which isn´t the case.

We have three major variants of Holly in the game so far. One is "super-nerdy" Holly, which is her base persona at start. Ian and her can get together only rather early via the book travel. AFAIK a later option to get together with this Holly hinges very much on several factors and is complicated.

Version 2 of Holly is "encouraged" Holly. You can get her either by being in a relationship with Ian, who deftly encourages Holly to be more bold or by Holly wanting to learn how to attract Ian by being more like Lena and Ivy, but keeping Ivy´s influence low. This the more forward Holly we can see at the beach holiday, e.g. wearing a bolder bikini and still have a Schopenhauer book with her. I even got that once with a slightly slutty Holly, when I kept Ivy influencing Holly but on a low level.
Also had a path variant with Ian and Holly already in a relationship and Holly having the erolit book with her.

Version 3 of Holly is slut Holly, who you get by Holly wanting to learn how to attract Ian by being more like Lena and Ivy and letting Ivy influence her a lot. As I said, it seems to be a late variant to get together with Holly. This is rather clear by dia/monologue. Slutty Holly is obviously after Ian by her statements during the beach holiday and some Ian variants recognise this version of Holly rather positively.
As mentioned earlier, I theorise that if Ian and wild Holly become a couple after the beach holiday, this will mostly end Ivy´s influence on her. Since Holly now got Ian, who she wanted from the start, she would see no need to become sluttier/wilder. Not for nothing it was how she is now which brought her and Ian together, at least she thinks so (and is right up to a certain point).

 

[mommysboiii]

this will mostly end Ivy´s influence on her. Since Holly now got Ian, who she wanted from the start, she would see no need to become sluttier/wilder.

 

[RobertKing]

Then it seems to be a misunderstanding, since for me it sounded as if Ian has to be loser here, which isn´t the case.

We have three major variants of Holly in the game so far. One is "super-nerdy" Holly, which is her base persona at start. Ian and her can get together only rather early via the book travel. AFAIK a later option to get together with this Holly hinges very much on several factors and is complicated.

Version 2 of Holly is "encouraged" Holly. You can get her either by being in a relationship with Ian, who deftly encourages Holly to be more bold or by Holly wanting to learn how to attract Ian by being more like Lena and Ivy, but keeping Ivy´s influence low. This the more forward Holly we can see at the beach holiday, e.g. wearing a bolder bikini and still have a Schopenhauer book with her. I even got that once with a slightly slutty Holly, when I kept Ivy influencing Holly but on a low level.
Also had a path variant with Ian and Holly already in a relationship and Holly having the erolit book with her.

Version 3 of Holly is slut Holly, who you get by Holly wanting to learn how to attract Ian by being more like Lena and Ivy and letting Ivy influence her a lot. As I said, it seems to be a late variant to get together with Holly. This is rather clear by dia/monologue. Slutty Holly is obviously after Ian by her statements during the beach holiday and some Ian variants recognise this version of Holly rather positively.
As mentioned earlier, I theorise that if Ian and wild Holly become a couple after the beach holiday, this will mostly end Ivy´s influence on her. Since Holly now got Ian, who she wanted from the start, she would see no need to become sluttier/wilder. Not for nothing it was how she is now which brought her and Ian together, at least she thinks so (and is right up to a certain point).

Turret Blurpee69 Are either of you gay or a black woman? I'm just trying to pick sides.

 

[varpep]

Turret Blurpee69 Are either of you gay or a black woman? I'm just trying to pick sides.

What if they're both gay black women?

 

[TurdTickler3000]

Give it to me straight fellas..what are the chances we will ever get Ed content?

 

[Turret]

Turret Blurpee69 Are either of you gay or a black woman? I'm just trying to pick sides.

What by the hangman are you talking about?

 

[SearingFive]

Give it to me straight fellas..what are the chances we will ever get Ed content?

The chances are the same as you will never tickle a real turd!

 

[BlandChili]

If Holly is not encouraged to keep trying pole-dancing, she will not interact with Ivy at all in some early scenes, this leads to some changes:

-Holly won't go to the sex shop with Lena and Ivy
-Lena's conversation about Holly's past (family, previous relationships, etc) will be had over dinner with Louise, not while drinking with Ivy
-Holly won't be there for the club outing in chapter 7 (where Holly first meets Marcel)
-Holly will wear her glasses instead of contacts during the book fair with Ian
-Holly will be there for the shopping trip with Ivy and Lena in chapter 8, but won't try new underwear
-Holly will be less fit (no defined abs) during the shoot with Lena in chapter 10
-Holly won't go to Ivy's birthday party
-She won't try to flirt with Ian in chapter 11 if Ian is single or broke-up with Lena
-She will comment on having too little stamina after having sex with Ian in chapter 11
-In chapter 11, Holly will unavoidably give pole-dancing another try, if Lena doesn't have sex with Ivy in the showers and doesn't drag Holly into a 3some in the showers either, then she says she will probably try Yoga instead in the future
-In chapter 12, she cannot be "fit" and Perry won't comment on her looking "hotter"
-In chapter 12, she will not try to smoke weed, unless she had the 3some with Ivy in the showers (the 3some activates "holly_slut")

Also it removes some opportunities to increase holly_change, I think you can still get enough points elsewhere but I did not check if all thresholds can be reached.

Overall I'd say keeping her away from pole-dancing is a "anti-corruption" fool-proof measure, with the only opportunity to re-enter kinkier content being the 3some in the showers with Ivy. Otherwise only worth checking out if you want to try a variation of Holly that is "softer" and more nerdy for longer in the story.

If you get holly/slut on this route, through the shower threesome, does it automatically replace her lack of experience with Ivy and Lena (for example does she gain abs) or are the lack of changes, from not doing pole dancing initially, still present in later content, but with the slut version?

 

[Prevat]

I guess if any of the other girls will mess around with other guys while in a committed relationship with Ian behind his back? Like can Holly cheat on him if Lena and Ivy corrupt her?

Lena is the only girl that can be in a commited relationship with Ian. They can fool around with others if you push them as Lena for instance and they will do it.

 

[manscout]

If you get holly/slut on this route, through the shower threesome, does it automatically replace her lack of experience with Ivy and Lena (for example does she gain abs) or are the lack of changes, from not doing pole dancing initially, still present in later content, but with the slut version?

Its mixed as far as I can tell, she does not gain the abs, but she changes her hairstyle, has more confident dialogue and changes some of her habits (mostly being on her phone instead of reading a book while at the beach).

I think it might be a bit jarring of a change but I haven't done a test playthrough to see how it feels. For whatever it is worth, adding Holly to the shower threesome in this route requires her to have had sex with Lena previously, so that comes with some implications regarding the route (she isn't with Ian, she's been admiring Lena a lot, etc).