VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[dontcarewhateverno]

I swear you I wasn’t trying to diminish the concerns of anyone, only the alleged number of playthroughs in which this situation happens. And that is NOT 50% of them. Just that.


Again, I wasn’t trying to mischaracterize anyone concerns (and btw, you’re the one that said “Lena’s a sociopath”), only expressing my disagreement about precisely characterizing some of Lena’s possible wrongdoings as mere missteps, when IMHO are more than that; and how that can explain she not stopping to contemplate her own mistakes, being (in those routes) a person that previously -guided by the player- has shown quite a selfish and entitled behaviour.


And if you’ve read some of my other messages about this issue you should know by now that, while I don’t agree on the whole scene being such an example of bad writing you claim it is, I’m in favor of adding the chance for Ian to confront Lena about Robert and wouldn’t mind some tweaks regarding her inner monologue in a few cases. So I don’t know what we're arguing about anymore, really, especially considering -as I said in yet another message- the argument has been rendered moot due to Eva taking another pass at it. We’ll see what she decides...


I think you might be reading too much into that, I'd kindly invite you to maybe take a mental step back and realize not everything in this update turns around the scene that worries you. Eva at Discord has talked about the scene where she struggled, took a week to write, and caused a bit of writer's block and (spoiler alert) it’s not this one but the sexting involving Stalkfap/Ian/Robert/Mike: it juggles so many variables (from the previous stalkfap video and DMs with subscribers, the other partner involved in the sexting, Lena’s previous experiences with them, agreeing or not to make the custom video…) that it was hell to write for her.

Dude. You took the "Lena's a sociopath" thing way out of context. It was said to illuminate why I didn't buy giving no acknowledgement in her mind of the situation as a plausible reaction. I thought it was clear in the explanation.

You've also seemed pretty diminishing and "politely" patronizing in your responses to others concerns, regardless of not minding a change. I'm done with this. Let's agree to disagree on all of this, cause we're not going to convince each other of just about anything and I still hard-disagree on about all of it. My point was that she's struggled with the chapter in general, regardless of the scene you mention. A lot of us just thought that in those struggles she missed this key issue that hits the bullshit meter hard on writing for us, even if it's NBD for you. On posting, I was honestly just hoping some voices would bring those concerns to Eva since she was swamped with this update and knows it isn't as good as her previous.

Hopefully that's what she's editing. We're all just guessing at this point.

 

[Cabot]

No problem.

 

[ijako3]

The speculated additional sex scenes of course include a threesome between Lena x Ed x Molly, im sure of it.

 

[Jhonthedon420]

Anybody else having problem starting the game? It kinda freezes on me after talking to Lena in the cafe

Same for me

 

[Jhonthedon420]

Anybody else having problem starting the game? It kinda freezes on me after talking to Lena in the cafe

Freezes here

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Hopefully that's what she's editing. We're all just guessing at this point.

The issues regarding the Ian/Lena dialogue has also been discussed on Discord, and Eva herself commented that she'd try to make some improvements. So I think it's safe to say that it's that particular scene she's talking about.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Sounds like the scene with Lena being mad at Ian WRT Holly, I hope she doesn't change Lena's behavior but just gives Ian more automony in the scene, but it looks like she might try to portray Lena in a more sympathetic or understanding light, because I don't dislike that Lena reacts the way she does, just that Ian can't speak up and defend himself in that situation.

For the added sex scenes, my speculation is that it might be Ian/Emma if he refuses the drug, I think Lena/Jeremy sexting again after he gets off the phone with Louise might be something if it's additional scenes. I can't really think of any other interactions this chapter that could lead to sexual scenarios though.

Adding text for Lena doesn't necessarily mean portraying her in a more sympathetic light though. Could just be mentally acknowledging it, as one would. Then, just as easily, reasoning/excusing her way out of it, as humans also tend to do. Unreliable yet plausible narrator. Can be done effectively in as little as one line in her thoughts, adding believable context without changing tone or character.

The issues regarding the Ian/Lena dialogue has also been discussed on Discord, and Eva herself commented that she'd try to make some improvements. So I think it's safe to say that it's that particular scene she's talking about.

Good to hear. Will be interesting what she does with it.

 

[doctor13]

I wonder if she'll add any new backgrounds? Like the clothes shop for example.

 

[jalon33]

I think the two additional sex scenes are most likely:

Lena x Mike

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Ian x Emma

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Those are the ones that would be easiest to fit seamlessly into already existing scenes/narratives.

 

[velsh123]

I start a realationship with holly on ian and maybe it is not a good idea too let ivy influnce hollyshe already drinking and talk about her kinks and do you think ian fight vs mike? that could make things even worse

я думаю что хорошая идея если Ян там вообще всем наваляет и баб там раскатает под асфальт, ну кроме балбесов друзей, особенно того бухарика сына мера

 

[BlandChili]

I wonder if she'll add any new backgrounds? Like the clothes shop for example.

I would not mind having the option of going shopping with Ian too. He has nothing but rent to use his money on.

 

[Pyke786]

Which apk your talking about can quote IT.

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[dundun]

The issues regarding the Ian/Lena dialogue has also been discussed on Discord, and Eva herself commented that she'd try to make some improvements. So I think it's safe to say that it's that particular scene she's talking about.

The problem is not just that one discussion, though. There is also the LenaxHolly scene. If Ian stopped after Holly kissed him and Lena later forgave him Holly will bring Ian up and Lena will simply dismiss it as 'having nothing to do with Ian', after getting mad on Ian for just a kiss.
There is also Ian's missing consequence for their relationship value when he finds out about Robert.
Just want to make sure it won't get overlooked.

 

[TamaMountain]

Tbh I don't mind if Eva doesn't change the dialogue. Changing it means I'll have to go through all the dialogue again to spot the differences.

I have already spent many hours experimenting; doing it again is daunting .

I would prefer if Eva decides to alter future chapters instead, like having Lena reflect on her actions and possibly apologise to Ian. That way Eva can change Lena's character in response to the criticisms, without changing ch 8.

 

[BlandChili]

I feel neutrally about it. Eva's done revisions before but I hope she doesn't do it just to please fans, hopefully she has some proper elaborations planned that can improve the scene in question without altering it wildly.

 

[Djoki996]

I feel neutrally about it. Eva's done revisions before but I hope she doesn't do it just to please fans, hopefully she has some proper elaborations planned that can improve the scene in question without altering it wildly.

To be fair, while I'm only playing LenaxHolly route while putting Ian's dick in almost every willing hole, this does seem like an actual plot hole and should probably be changed.

On the other hand, just one person looking through all the possible scenarios and variables sounds like hell.

 

[Massi89]

If Eva intends to change the part where Lena gets angry at Ian for staying in the same bed as Holly, I just hope that she doesn't do a 180 on it (also because that might mean changing a lot of what comes after that in chapter 8), but rather that she just rewrites it in a clearer way for readers, without changing the whole basis of the plot.

 

[Jhonthedon420]

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Yeah but do you get same problem white background and white word.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

If Eva intends to change the part where Lena gets angry at Ian for staying in the same bed as Holly, I just hope that she doesn't do a 180 on it (also because that might mean changing a lot of what comes after that in chapter 8), but rather that she just rewrites it in a clearer way for readers, without changing the whole basis of the plot.

That's all most people who are concerned about the Ian/Lena plotholes want, honestly. No need to change the story or even their actions/attitudes. It's truly just some coherence - internally or externally - in the text that's needed to justify those actions/attitudes in this chapter. Though Lena's actions having a negative effect on Ian's friendship level in certain instances (like the Robert example dundun pointed out) would be nice to have also and it's weird that it's a one-way street there. Those who aren't playing Ian/Lena/Holly don't care about most of this since it won't affect their playthroughs. Current state just diminishes the enjoyment for those of us who are and who highly value consistent writing (the reason a lot of us are playing ORS).

 

[mannice431]

I just wish my boy Ian didn't blab to Lena about fucking Holly, he can keep his mouth shut when fucking other people, why not Holly?