herrzimm1

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I was not presenting dictated content.
Ok, you can all the ice cream you want. But you have to pick between one scoop of vanilla or one scoop of vanilla.

Is that a "choice"? Do you really have an "option"? Is there any other way to think about this other than YOU (generally) are telling me to have one scoop of vanilla and NOTHING ELSE?

HOW is that not "demanding" someone to reach the outcome that has been DICTATED TO them in regards to having ANY ice cream at all?

Again, when a comment is made and TWO different lines of that comment appear to determine the 'approved outcome' within the same paragraph. Then YES, that is a DEMAND being made.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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As long as the game isn't explicitely spewing harmful ideologies (i.e "all black people are thugs" or "all transgender people are perverts and creeps"), I don't see the point in assuming the worst just because a character in the game fits the stereotype.
TBF, you don't get any brownie points or gold virtue stars for not assuming the worst. How else will one ever show their moral superiority?
 
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jockywyness

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Now, as far as the issue of Trans characters. Well, had to be the one to pop your bubble on this one. But Trans characters are the hardest characters to write in a game because you are stuck with only TWO available options.

Either you include them, and absolutely 100% make them a "positive example" in EVERY way possible that they become completely unbelievable. They are so perfect in attitude, appearance, social standing, intellect, ability and sexual prowess. You have to give them the "edge" in EVERY possible way that they go into the realm of "god-like". I've even seen Trans characters simply overwhelming the MC with their "perfection" that the MC is more of an 'after-thought' than the main focus. AND they are often represented in such a way that the MC simply can't help but be completely overwhelmed by their perfection (in one way or another) that they can never resist the slightest hint of involvement.

Or you include them, treat them as ACTUAL human beings and suddenly get called every "ist" or "phobic" in the book. God forbid that some other character DISLIKES the Trans person because the writer is an "ist or phobic". God forbid that the Trans person FAILS at doing something because the writer is an 'ist or phobic'. God forbid that someone turns DOWN a Trans person because the writer is an "ist or phobic". God forbid that the Trans person isn't provided the majority of game-play because the writer is an 'ist or phobic'. You simply CANNOT write a REALISTIC Trans character with flaws in their character, who has conflict of personalities with another character, or simply is the "villain' because of their goals or behavior because assholes LIKE YOU instantly assumes that it is due to being an "ist or phobia".
Do you see anyone complaining that there was a trans person in GGGB who had flaws in their character? No, you see them complaining that the one trans person in the game literally sexually assaults the MC. But yes, I suppose a willingness to sexually assault someone does count as a character flaw.

Just like the complaint isn't "there's a black rapper/thug in the game." It's that all the black people are rappers and/or thugs.

To be fair, I don't think Evakiss is racist or transphobic. I think she, like you seem to be saying, is trying to appeal to various kinks and doing so in the way she knows how. And GGGB is a billion miles away from being the worst offender on the racism/transphobia front. I just don't see how you could say that mentioning these issues is invalid.
 

herrzimm1

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Do you see anyone complaining that there was a trans person in GGGB who had flaws in their character? No, you see them complaining that the one trans person in the game literally sexually assaults the MC. But yes, I suppose a willingness to sexually assault someone does count as a character flaw.

Just like the complaint isn't "there's a black rapper/thug in the game." It's that all the black people are rappers and/or thugs.

To be fair, I don't think Evakiss is racist or transphobic. I think she, like you seem to be saying, is trying to appeal to various kinks and doing so in the way she knows how. And GGGB is a billion miles away from being the worst offender on the racism/transphobia front. I just don't see how you could say that mentioning these issues is invalid.
In GGGB, the ONE trans character can be easily avoided, and even WITH reaching the sexual assault content, can be easily avoided another time. There is no "fallout" for said assault, I don't recall ANYONE making a negative comment ABOUT being a trans person, and it is a character that is obviously there for "kink content" as they can be completely removed through gameplay with no repercussions or addressing them in general. Basically "I'm here for the sex" and little to absolutely NOTHING else. So, not the best example of a trans character in a game. But not even CLOSE to being the WORST version that I've seen in a game either. Even so, the issue OF BEING a trans character is basically dropped like a damn ton of bricks and hardly even mentioned at all.

Now, to be fair.... Can't recall his name, but want to say Tyrone/T-bone, something with a T, I think.... is introduced to us AS a rapper. So he has already established SOME level of awareness as a rapper. It makes sense that the other Black men (Who HE introduces us to) are either "fellow rappers", or if not rappers they are his "friends". And again, given his success at rapping, you could even say that they are his 'entourage' or possibly people who work behind the scenes in the studio such as producing beats, or sound engineer, or even possibly 'ghost-writer'. So, as far as "all the Black people being in rap", there is a ton of more leeway involved to justify them being associated "as rappers" even if they aren't actual rappers.

The gang? Well, yeah. Hate to admit it, but the game appeared to be a case of "All Hispanic characters are gang-members", so not much of a leg to stand on. Think that the intention was to represent a "local community" more than imply "all ... are thugs" concept. But, yeah, like I said... kind of hard to miss that one and haven't got a leg to stand on.

So yeah. Easily avoided trans character is flawed as a character... but nobody seems to be for or against them as a trans. Almost like THAT part of their character is completely IGNORED.

The Black people in GGGB can easily be "justified" as rappers, or in the rap industry in general.

Gang ..... uh, nope, I got nothing in regard to the gang.

No, Eva has never done anything that makes me instantly accuse Eva of being an "ist" or "phobic". Maybe not comfortable enough to go too much into character story/background? Decided to keep some people "clumped together" for ease of setting up a moment (situation), or possibly to expand "random friends" for one better established character. Even THAT issue could easily be justified as career choices. And another group that..... yeah, still got nothing in regard to the gang.

However, I should point out that when I play GGGB, I purposefully AVOID the trans character because I don't like "one use characters", and I AVOID the gang, mostly because I don't really enjoy their overall story. So, when it comes to defending/complaining GGGB, my playthough choices tended to be limited overall.
 

TamaMountain

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Do you think MMA Tournament will start in the next chapter ?
As much as I am looking forward to it, I don't think so. Eva usually gives us a heads up in-game to inform the players that a big event will happen soon, then implements it in the following chapters.

That fact that neither Wen, Yuri or Jeremy has given Ian a date of the tournament or mention anything else about it, makes me think it will not happen. Who knows, maybe this plotline will resurface in ch 9. Even then, I think it will take a few more chapters. Beating up Robert doesn't mean much if Ian is to stand a chance.
 

BlandChili

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Ok, you can all the ice cream you want. But you have to pick between one scoop of vanilla or one scoop of vanilla.

Is that a "choice"? Do you really have an "option"? Is there any other way to think about this other than YOU (generally) are telling me to have one scoop of vanilla and NOTHING ELSE?

HOW is that not "demanding" someone to reach the outcome that has been DICTATED TO them in regards to having ANY ice cream at all?
I don't get this analogy. The option that some people would have liked wouldn't replace the ones already in the scene, it'd just be an addition. The options of strawberry, chocolate, mint and caramel would still be available for anyone to choose.
Again, when a comment is made and TWO different lines of that comment appear to determine the 'approved outcome' within the same paragraph. Then YES, that is a DEMAND being made.
Neither line you highlighted demanded anything. Sure, to some that option would be an approved outcome, but this hypothetical response wouldn't have been forced on anyone who wouldn't want to pick it.
 

BlandChili

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Watts and Faraday, huh? That's an elegant way to indicate real electricity between them.
Now I expect the rest of the cast to be named Volta, de Coulomb, Ampere, Ohm, Maxwell and so on.
Byline of their party would read like it's a physics Nobel prize afterparty.
Holly's surname is Watson, right? Not too far off I suppose from Watts.
 
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JoJoPool

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So what you want is the Gallery mode. Lucky for you, there is one.

Have you not seen the animation of Jeremy's bobbing dick during Ivy's game?

Too bad it's unlikely that anybody will see that shoot (because of the Seymour branch). Seymour is a private person and never shares his work with anyone (until he decides he's ready/good enough). However, if you instead posed with Axel for Danny and Agnes, she should've displayed the pictures already. But because there was no reaction to that from anyone (except Ivy who learned about the shoot from Lena herself), it doesn't seem like it will have any impact on the story or the characters besides Lena and Axel... It would've been a perfect way to see if Ian/Robert can really handle dating an erotic model.
about the gallery ... is she going to integrate the JDmod in the game or make her own ?
 
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niek07

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Perry is, surprisingly enough, a Pisces. He has a very high Lust but he hasn't managed to focus that energy properly... yet. Are you helping him out or are you stealing away any chance of success he's got?
I would have expected more wits for Perry. He is a painter and his surname is Vermeer. I thought Eva choose this name because of Johannes Vermeer the Dutch painter who painted the Girl with a Pearl. Anf if Perry has 8 Lust, Jeremy and Ivy have 99?
 
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I guess the game's lust stat could either indicate how sexually confident, outgoing and active the characters are, or simply how horny they are. If Perry's lust is an 8, I'll definitely consider it as the latter from now on :LOL:
 
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Priappus

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I would have expected more wits for Perry. He is a painter and his surname is Vermeer. I thought Eva choose this name because of Johannes Vermeer the Dutch painter who painted the Girl with a Pearl. Anf if Perry has 8 Lust, Jeremy and Ivy have 99?
Perry has lust 8 because he has been fucking since he was president of USA the bil klinton,Ιan has lust 5 with the dick and 25 from the ass :KEK:
 

dundun

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nobody notice that our favorites characters have electric last names??? ;)
I considered them more as names of famous people. Physicists Watt (Ian), Faraday (Lena) and Feynman (Ivy). Painters Gainsborough (Cindy), van Dyke (Ed) and Vermeer (Perry). Regisseur Bergman (Alison), Linguist Korzybski (Stan).
And of course Coxlong ( ).
 
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