VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[dontcarewhateverno]

We're perhaps thinking about two different things. Based on your description, it sounded to me you're talking about an arrangement where one person sleeps around as they please and occasionally "teases" the other about being a little, worthless cuck, but both sides still remaining loving and respectful for each other.

"Playful teasing" about person being essentially worthless simply doesn't remain just teasing with no impact on the relationship. Keep it up long enough and it will get under the skin of person who keeps hearing they're worthless, and take a root in the mind of the person who does the "teasing", as well. Maintaining a good, equivalent relationship in such situation becomes increasingly difficult. The implausible/unrealistic aspect i was referring to was apparent expectations such thing will have no effect on relationship dynamic and the pair will remain as loving and respectful for each other as they ever were.

I think you're presuming way too much here, and coming strongly as someone who tries to speak from position of authority yourself.

TLDR: We're definitely speaking past each other.
Though you were making quite a few assumptions here too. I never once said anything about playfully teasing "about a person being essentially worthless". That's the sort of unrealistic fetish usually relegated to extreme porn or bad erotic writing (fair enough, very common in a lot of badly written games on here). I wouldn't generally call it playful & it's actually the kind of thing I'd rather avoid in these stories, only partially because of that implausibility*. (I mean, if your partner considers you "worthless", why the hell are you together? It takes out all the tension and push/pull dynamic, too. If the relationship isn't worth it, there are no stakes = Not interesting). Never said "sleeps around as they please" either, fwiw. That can be open to interpretation and degree, but any healthy long-term relationship is eventually going to need some mutually agreed upon boundaries and considerations for each other for it to last.

So it seems like you've based your interpretation and argument on a few things I didn't say. I was thinking more along the lines of her being a big slut "that can't help herself" & playfully teasing about all the big cocks she can't resist filling her up, like some of the dialogue at the end of Chapter 10, which an astute Lena may interpret turns the right kind of Ian on. The turn towards intentional meanness I detect that path heading towards is exactly what I didn't want. Helpless nymphos with a heart of gold FTW.

I never said I was against anyone speaking with authority in general, either. Only when they're also unfamiliar with the subject matter. You just struck me as having a narrow view of what that kink entailed based on your responses & interpretation of what I was talking about.

People have different communication styles, leading to bad communication/interaction, which I think is the case with us. Unfortunately for everyone, we're both similar in wanting to have the last word. Zero fun for anyone, tbh.

*Fair enough to note, the more extreme, S&M style humiliation kink can be handled well too for a plausible long-term relationship, provided both partners set boundaries & discuss before & after + get something out of it. It's just not my particular preference - Neither the kink or subject matter.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

To be fair, that's kinda how it works with Eric at the start of GGGB, but the "open relationship" at the end of the game would allow the MC to sleep with other people without it being considered cheating (although I think the wording for it there was a "liberal relationship"? Maybe it is just a Eva Kiss wording kink or something), just a shame that arrangement required a bimbo Ashley and it was portrayed essentially as "MC is just too much of a sex demon to be with 1 person even if she really loves them now and so she seduces and manipulates their partner into agreeing to it" rather than a mutual thing.

I cringed in the last third of that route and quickly rerouted to the more wholesome, family-friendly experience of "Ashley Bangs Her Mom & Her Stepdad For A Boob-Job." Monacle.gif.

Was definitely hoping for a better re-do in ORS, but it looks like your well-described common development trend towards the extremes likely won out, based on the recent path turn.

 

[Vurg]

It seems like now that all the set-up in the earlier chapters is done, these later chapters might be easier for Eva to finish because she is just playing out the subplots to their conclusion. I'm hoping this is the case and there is not as much branching complexity, but we will see.

 

[bleachedturtle]

65% of the the script and 50% of the art. Call me crazy but it sounds like chapter 11 is progressing pretty fast, compared to the last 2 chapters at least. I hope she isn't overhyping the chapter's progress so we don't have to wait 6 months for the next update.

The pace is similar to what it used to be typically, it's just the last couple of chapters were outliers in this regard.

January 1, 2020 - ORS Announcement

March 28, 2020 - Chapter 1 Alpha
April 06, 2020 - Chapter 1 Final

April 27, 2020 - Chapter 2 Alpha
May 06, 2020 - Chapter 2 Final

June 01, 2020 - Chapter 3 Alpha
June 12, 2020 - Chapter 3 Final

July 09, 2020 - Chapter 4 Alpha
July 26, 2020 - Chapter 4 Final

August 26, 2020 - Chapter 5 Alpha
September 10, 2020 - Chapter 5 Final
October 19, 2020 - Chapter 5 Enhanced

December 02, 2020 - Chapter 6 Alpha
December 13, 2020 - Chapter 6 Final

February 21, 2021 - Chapter 7 Alpha
March 7, 2021 - Chapter 7 Final
April 5, 2021 - Chapter 7 Revised

May 23, 2021 - Chapter 8 Alpha
June 05, 2021 - Chapter 8 Final

October 29, 2021 - Chapter 9 Alpha
November 10, 2021 - Chapter 9 Final
April 08, 2022 - Chapter 9 Remastered Alpha
April 25, 2022 - Chapter 9 Remastered Final

December 04, 2022 - Chapter 10 Alpha
December 09, 2022 - Chapter 10 Beta
December 22, 2022 - Chapter 10 Final

February 11, 2023 - Chapter 11 Prologue (Alpha)
February 14, 2023 - Chapter 11 Prologue (Beta)
February 21, 2023 - Chapter 11 Prologue (Final)


Hmm it's been 3 months since the Chapter 10 Alpha, so I guess another 3 months for the remaining 50% So seems to be a similar pace to the last couple of chapters. An update every 6 months.

I honestly don't mind more frequent updates similar to the prologue. I quite enjoyed the normal story progression without that many scenes.

 

[fatpussy123]

December 04, 2022 - Chapter 10 Alpha
December 09, 2022 - Chapter 10 Beta
December 22, 2022 - Chapter 10 Final

February 11, 2023 - Chapter 11 Prologue (Alpha)
February 14, 2023 - Chapter 11 Prologue (Beta)
February 21, 2023 - Chapter 11 Prologue (Final)


Hmm it's been 3 months since the Chapter 10 Alpha, so I guess another 3 months for the remaining 50% So seems to be a similar pace to the last couple of chapters. An update every 6 months.

I honestly don't mind more frequent updates similar to the prologue. I quite enjoyed the normal story progression without that many scenes.

The weekly update said that she started to be lazer focused on the script after the prologue was published and that she started writing after the alpha, whether she is referring to the alpha of chapter 10 or the alpha of the prologue is not clear. In the announcement for the prologue Eva Kiss said that she had been working on the structure of chapter 11 when she had decided to make the prologue.

I think she laid the ground work for chapter 11, made the prologue, and now made a lot of progress on chapter 11 during February. I think 3 months from the prologue is a decent update time, but I also think 2 months is very possible.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

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released, I just realized I haven't posted a proper status report on Chapter 11 yet. I had been keeping the prologue stuff under wraps since I wanted it to be some kind of surprise, and after finishing the release cycle, I've been laser focused on the script for Chapter 11.
These past two weeks I've been working mostly on the writing, and I feel I'm making good progress. I began writing the script the same day the Alpha was published, and in this time I've completed what I think is about 65-70% of it. The art is about 50% done.
I've finally found a couple of artists I can delegate some illustrations too, which has enabled me to focus on the writing during these weeks. I still draw all of the heads and faces, and I want to keep drawing the most important scenes myself, but I'll try delegating as much as I can, as long as the final result is up to my standards.
I've also been working on enhancing the music department (and a bit of the audio), and I'm trying something pretty cool that I still don't know if will work, but if it does I'll let you know more.
Other than that, I'll keep focusing on writing and try to finish Ian's part as fast as I can, and then continue with Lena's and the remaining art stuff. I'll keep you posted!

If 65% of the script and 50% of the art are already ready, then I hope we won’t wait so long for the release.

 

[ffive]

Hmm it's been 3 months since the Chapter 10 Alpha, so I guess another 3 months for the remaining 50% So seems to be a similar pace to the last couple of chapters. An update every 6 months.

Not necessarily -- given the context i think "I began writing the script the same day the Alpha was published" might refer to the Alpha of the Ch.11 prologue, not Ch.10. Since the latter would mean working on script for both the prologue and ch.11 proper simultaneously. So it's possible the work started aroung Feb.11, with most of the work done in the last two weeks. That'd mean possibility of writing for Ch.11 getting done in ~another two weeks, and a (cautious) guesstimate of about a month for the remaining art. Overall, it could mean something like early April for the Alpha release. We'll see.

 

[bleachedturtle]

Not necessarily -- given the context i think "I began writing the script the same day the Alpha was published" might refer to the Alpha of the Ch.11 prologue, not Ch.10. Since the latter would mean working on script for both the prologue and ch.11 proper simultaneously. So it's possible the work started aroung Feb.11, with most of the work done in the last two weeks. That'd mean possibility of writing for Ch.11 getting done in ~another two weeks, and a (cautious) guesstimate of about a month for the remaining art. Overall, it could mean something like early April for the Alpha release. We'll see.

The Chapter 11 Prologue took 2 months to get published (Assuming Chapter 10 Alpha -> Chapter 11 Prologue Alpha). So are you suggesting that rest of the Chapter 11 update will be the same size as the prologue, which is already quite small?

I find it more likely that the prologue is included in the 50% progress starting from Chapter 10 Alpha.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Not necessarily -- given the context i think "I began writing the script the same day the Alpha was published" might refer to the Alpha of the Ch.11 prologue, not Ch.10. Since the latter would mean working on script for both the prologue and ch.11 proper simultaneously. So it's possible the work started aroung Feb.11, with most of the work done in the last two weeks. That'd mean possibility of writing for Ch.11 getting done in ~another two weeks, and a (cautious) guesstimate of about a month for the remaining art. Overall, it could mean something like early April for the Alpha release. We'll see.

I doubt it, because given the current size of the episodes, how can you write most of the script in 3 weeks and prepare half of the art? This is a huge job that takes two to three months. I believe that Eva started working on part 11 with the release of part 10, in the process she changed some things to fit further with the prologue of part 11. This is my guess.

 

[Doppelgang]

The Chapter 11 Prologue took 2 months to get published (Assuming Chapter 10 Alpha -> Chapter 11 Prologue Alpha). So are you suggesting that rest of the Chapter 11 update will be the same size as the prologue, which is already quite small?

I find it more likely that the prologue is included in the 50% progress starting from Chapter 10 Alpha.

From what Eva's said, it seems that the prologue was something she decided to do while she was planning the whole next chapter. So independent of when the actual writing started, it's likely she had planned most of Chapter 11 before the Prologue was released. If that's the case, it's likely that she'll be able to produce more game content in the same time for the period we're in now.

 

[ffive]

The Chapter 11 Prologue took 2 months to get published (Assuming Chapter 10 Alpha -> Chapter 11 Prologue Alpha). So are you suggesting that rest of the Chapter 11 update will be the same size as the prologue, which is already quite small?

No, am not saying anything of the sort. We don't know how much time between release of final Ch.10 and alpha of the Prologue was spent on actual production, as opposed to searching for new artist candidates, experimenting with new techniques etc, mentioned in earlier updates. Or even on a simple holiday break. So it's probably best not to draw too many conclusions from this.

I doubt it, because given the current size of the episodes, how can you write most of the script in 3 weeks and prepare half of the art?

Note, this is roughly how Eva has done on previous chapters, which were pretty comparable with latest releases, size-wise (chapter 10 is an outlier in this regard, being twice as large as the others) It'd take them ~month to produce alpha of each chapter and another to polish it to final version* Now, i don't expect the exact same level of productivity, but it evidently can be done and they've done it multiple times in the past.

*) in later chapters this changes somewhat, to ~2 months for alpha and then 1-2 weeks of polish to final version. Still, overall time spent is similar.

 

[I-No]

Well, it's ready when it's ready. And imagining what crooked things Axel and Seymour will do to Lena is easily worth the wait...

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Note, this is roughly how Eva has done on previous chapters, which were pretty comparable with latest releases, size-wise (chapter 10 is an outlier in this regard, being twice as large as the others) It'd take them ~month to produce alpha of each chapter and another to polish it to final version* Now, i don't expect the exact same level of productivity, but it evidently can be done and they've done it multiple times in the past.

*) in later chapters this changes somewhat, to ~2 months for alpha and then 1-2 weeks of polish to final version. Still, overall time spent is similar.

I've been following the game since the very beginning and I remember that releases came out at the speed of light, but that changed from about chapter 8, 9 and 10 generally turned into long-term construction.
I myself want this to happen faster, and I hope that it will be because Eva has hired a team of assistants, in fact Eva Kiss is now a small indie studio, I try to remain cautiously optimistic. But exact conclusions can be drawn through several reports.

 

[JoSolo]

Sooo the option to get with Stan is still broken? When will that be fixed??

 

[ffive]

Sooo the option to get with Stan is still broken? When will that be fixed??

It's fixed. But you'll need to replay Ch.10 Lena's side (or at least the part of it where Lena talks with Stan) to set relevant variable.

 

[Doppelgang]

That's the sort of unrealistic fetish usually relegated to extreme porn or bad erotic writing (fair enough, very common in a lot of badly written games on here). I wouldn't generally call it playful & it's actually the kind of thing I'd rather avoid in these stories, only partially because of that implausibility*. (I mean, if your partner considers you "worthless", why the hell are you together? It takes out all the tension and push/pull dynamic, too. If the relationship isn't worth it, there are no stakes = Not interesting).

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I was thinking more along the lines of her being a big slut "that can't help herself" & playfully teasing about all the big cocks she can't resist filling her up, like some of the dialogue at the end of Chapter 10, which an astute Lena may interpret turns the right kind of Ian on. The turn towards meanness I detect that path heading towards is exactly what I didn't want. Helpless nymphos with a heart of gold, gobbling 10 cocks FTW.

The parenthesis sums it up pretty well for me. If the relevant events/paths of chapter 10 are written to their end in the typical uninventive, everything-has-to-gradually-escalate porn game kind of way, we can expect something similar as in GGGB, with no other reason for them to be together than a sadistic meanness on Lena's part, as you mentioned. (Ian, in his involuntary celibacy, sits in the corner while having a sad wank with his half flaccid cock, as he watches Lena getting gangbanged on the bed again, taking the time now and then to declare how much bigger and better the cocks are than Ian's.)

Chapter 10 suggests that we'll go a certain way in that direction, but I refuse to believe that Eva's spent so much more time to establish the characters and the story if she'll take it to similar extremes again. I don't even care that much exactly how it ends up, I just like the ambivalence and tension in that path—that Ian and Lena are pulled in different directions, as individuals and as a couple.

I think the first Chapter 10 scene with Ian and Lena was close to perfect in that way ("one of the biggest?"). It's not like Ian is dying to hear about Axel's cock while she jerks him off—it's just his insecurity and jealousy that pulls him towards it. If he's watched Lena's Stalkfap content, the idea of Lena as a sexual creature (also without Ian's presence) has established itself in his mind, even if he's conflicted about that as well. Gillian's cheating would naturally also shape his thinking around this stuff.

It's not like Lena either is dying to talk about Axel's cock when she's with Ian, but he represents the benchmark for Lena when it comes to everything sexual. So it's easier than said to keep him out of her thoughts, and when Ian unexpectedly mentions him … she grabs the chance. Even if giving Axel that kind of presence in her new relationship also is something she really doesn't want to.

I'm hoping Eva will keep making use of that friction and ambivalence instead of settling for solutions like the "I just love talking about being fucked by other men while I deny Ian" stuff we saw the outlines of in the next scene. The former could both end in healthy or unhealthy relationships, and could involve both characters doing shitty things to the other. It just wouldn't make Lena mean or without any reflections about what she's doing; and they'd still have reasons to be together, even if some parts of the relationship ends up as dysfunctional.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

The parenthesis sums it up pretty well for me. If the relevant events/paths of chapter 10 are written to their end in the typical uninventive, everything-has-to-gradually-escalate porn game kind of way, we can expect something similar as in GGGB, with no other reason for them to be together than a sadistic meanness on Lena's part, as you mentioned. (Ian, in his involuntary celibacy, sits in the corner while having a sad wank with his half flaccid cock, as he watches Lena getting gangbanged on the bed again, taking the time now and then to declare how much bigger and better the cocks are than Ian's.)

Chapter 10 suggests that we'll go a certain way in that direction, but I refuse to believe that Eva's spent so much more time to establish the characters and the story if she'll take it to similar extremes again. I don't even care that much exactly how it ends up, I just like the ambivalence and tension in that path—that Ian and Lena are pulled in different directions, as individuals and as a couple.

I think the first Chapter 10 scene with Ian and Lena was close to perfect in that way ("one of the biggest?"). It's not like Ian is dying to hear about Axel's cock while she jerks him off—it's just his insecurity and jealousy that pulls him towards it. If he's watched Lena's Stalkfap content, the idea of Lena as a sexual creature (also without Ian's presence) has established itself in his mind, even if he's conflicted about that as well. Gillian's cheating would naturally also shape his thinking around this stuff.

It's not like Lena either is dying to talk about Axel's cock when she's with Ian, but he represents the benchmark for Lena when it comes to everything sexual. So it's easier than said to keep him out of her thoughts, and when Ian unexpectedly mentions him … she grabs the chance. Even if giving Axel that kind of presence in her new relationship also is something she really doesn't want to.

I'm hoping Eva will keep making use of that friction and ambivalence instead of settling for solutions like the "I just love talking about being fucked by other men while I deny Ian" stuff we saw the outlines of in the next scene. The former could both end in healthy or unhealthy relationships, and could involve both characters doing shitty things to the other. It just wouldn't make Lena mean or without any reflections about what she's doing; and they'd still have reasons to be together, even if some parts of the relationship ends up as dysfunctional.

Based on the Ch 11 prologue, the results of GGGB and the streamlining that Eva seems to be starting to get this game complete before we're all AARP members (which, don't get me wrong, is a very reasonable trade-off), I'm quite a bit more pessimistic. Fingers definitely crossed hoping, though.

 

[Alphaeboy]

I kinda like you mate but common I can understand if people are on loving holly path with no drama/corruption or alison path without the tressome or corruption or loyal lena path that they are all over this girls and want a happy ending but I have to be honest cindy is not the one pls there are so many red flags (at the start the scene with the beer,always wants to stay in the middle ,goes on nudes photoshots without telling bf,instantly mad if not getting what she wants,cheating behind bf back ,the pool game if losing,dont instantly break up with her boyfriend and many more....) lets be honest the only reason why guys are all over her are her insanly good looks like the top cheerleader girl on campus but I actually think that cindy is not a good decissions for the romatic/no kinky bois in here(and not every girl has to be) and Ian would deserve consequences for that decission

I'd rather not take the risk. She was happy and fulfilled with Wade, and look at what's been happening now.

This guy gets it. Her super model looks hides an unreasonably petty and selfish girl.

yeah I agree with you she is 100% not the best gf material but I will kinda go for her because I am the I can fix her /simp/loser typ of guy but i kinda exspect what will happen in the future and to be honest Ian deserves that for beaing a shitty friend maybe wade will get his shit together and knock ians ass out

This is why I consider the best girls for him are Lena, Holly, Alison & Cherry. I like Cindy but mainly because she's hot. At least the four girls I mentioned at least have chemistry with Ian on a personal level. Hell, I know Cherry is underrated but I like the moment when she confesses being Alex ex and the whole drama, and I like how the sweet sex scene after.

 

[Fibito]

Haven't played since ch10 alpha, but I can't get Lena, Louise, Jeremy Threesome when she is in relationship with Ian.
It did happen in alpha.
Did Eva fix that so threesome route is off the limit with those three if she is in relationship. Or maybe i missed some important choices. I can't get the scene even when Ian suggest experimenting together.

Another thing that is bothering me is that Lena won't suggest Ian threesome in both of those roads for me anyways. Does Lena have to say FFM threesome is her fantasy in drinking game for that to trigger?

 

[ray_2077]

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