VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[JohnnyKiss]

EvaKiss designed Holly with that conflict and character in mind from the very beginning. Jeremy has none of that. He's a playboy with no desire to enter a serious relationship—hence his dismay at being Louise's boyfriend—from the very beginning to now. I'm not saying it's impossible to make him a stable, faithful boyfriend to Lena, but it can break his established personality and lifestyle if not handled with care.

I think you are mistaken if you think Holly is the only character that has inner conflict about who she is and is able to change. The core idea behind this visual novel is the ability to make choices and mold not only your character and the story they inhabit but also mold the supporting characters as well.

I highly doubt Jeremy's role in the story would be to just cuck Ian and be the "BBC Fetish" checkmark because so far, every character has shown that they can go one of two ways. Sure, for now, Jeremy's role is quite straightforward but it cannot stay straightforward for too long.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

After dabbling in BDSM community for a bit, my understanding is that cuck is more of a "useless wimp who enjoys humiliating remarks like "other guys fuck me better"". And there is also hotwifing, it's when a partner "encourages the sexual adventures of his girlfriend or wife and simply takes pleasure from their partner's sexual escapades outside of their relationship". So basically, the first one has to have a humiliating aspect to it, while the other one does not.
Sorry, I'm not really following this whole cuck dicussion. This just caught my eye and I thought it might be helpful to clarify cuz I was confused about this for a while too.

Many kink definitions, not unlike those in musical subcultures, are colloquial by both nature and necessity. Non-rigid ballpark terms for purposes of utility. They're often extremely fluid and fluctuate wildly with trends, depending on what little circle you're talking to. This is one of those. It's not like a rigid definition you'd find on a fifth grade social studies exam. -5: Sorry, Timmy. Technically, only a Beta Bitch cuck slurps creampies while locked in chastity, Re: My husband sharing me with the local fire department. I thought you paid attention to Chapter 7. - Mx Johnston Xe/Xer.
Well... maybe in the California Public School System.

 

[BloodyMares]

After dabbling in BDSM community for a bit, my understanding is that cuck is more of a "useless wimp who enjoys humiliating remarks like "other guys fuck me better"". And there is also hotwifing, it's when a partner "encourages the sexual adventures of his girlfriend or wife and simply takes pleasure from their partner's sexual escapades outside of their relationship". So basically, the first one has to have a humiliating aspect to it, while the other one does not.
Sorry, I'm not really following this whole cuck dicussion. This just caught my eye and I thought it might be helpful to clarify cuz I was confused about this for a while too.

Does it also state that the cuckold is never allowed to have sex with their main partner ever again? I don't think so. Even if that's the case, BDSM requires clear consent on both parties. Ian isn't aware that they're involved in a fantasy BDSM roleplay, Lena doesn't offer a safe word to Ian to stop their session. She doesn't even provide after-care when they're done to make sure he's okay. She just starts treating him badly without his clear consent, based on nothing more than a selfish desire to use his insecurity against him that came out of nowhere. She has a clear submissive kink, Ian doesn't. I don't think BDSM community would approve of that, Lena would be considered a toxic individual for everyone to stay away from.

And besides, according to you it's the BDSM definition. How many casual players are expected to "dab in BDSM community" to know the difference between cuckolding and hotwifing? To many people they mean the same thing. This game is not really focused heavily on BDSM kinks or lifestyle (or when it does so with Louise, it's done in a toxic pornified way) so it would be weird if the "cuck" path was associated specifically with BDSM lifestyle instead of using a more broad definition that far more people are familiar with:

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[Samuel Hidayat]

I think you are mistaken if you think Holly is the only character that has inner conflict about who she is and is able to change. The core idea behind this visual novel is the ability to make choices and mold not only your character and the story they inhabit but also mold the supporting characters as well.

I highly doubt Jeremy's role in the story would be to just cuck Ian and be the "BBC Fetish" checkmark because so far, every character has shown that they can go one of two ways. Sure, for now, Jeremy's role is quite straightforward but it cannot stay straightforward for too long.

When did I say Holly is the only one who has that? I used her as a comparison since you brought her up in the first place. I even said that Jeremy becoming a stable LI for Lena isn't implausible, just needs to be written carefully to not conflict with his personality and lifestyle so far.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Strawmanning is just disingenuous.

 

[mommysboiii]

It seems you didn't really read my post. What's the point in having these opportunities if they are bugs? Meaning they won't give you a dedicated route. You'll never see the result of that corruption because in some scenes Holly could act like Ivy's apprentice willing to explore, but with Ian or Lena while talking about Ian she would act prim and proper (because Eva doesn't realize that she lost the track of the branches). It would still restrict your playthrough because sometimes Eva would remember to put restrictions in place but other times she wouldn't, resulting in a broken, disjointed narrative that feels like a multiverse collapsed in on itself, and the characters not realizing which timeline they belong to. Corruption is only worthwhile if you're actually purposefully trigger the buildup to it. If you can select slutty options at any time, on any playthrough, it wouldn't be satisfying.


And once again, Eva is not a robot, she has to limit the amount of possible branches, otherwise the game will never be finished. And it's Eva's choice how to do that. With Ed she decided to cut his path short and perhaps revisit him in a DLC. Some events she might not think as worth exploring at all, much to our disappointment. But these are necessary sacrifices because Eva Kiss is not an AAA studio with countless employees and a full set of writers.

my english is not the best sorry maybe I understood it wrong but I live under the assumption that this game is mainly a corruption game maybe I am wrong and this game is now a vanilla dating sumulator and will have some normals dates and bunch of happy endings in the future and thats it.

So maybe I understand it wrong so alison underperforms in the treesome, axel can touch cindy near her vagina at the photoshot,ian can jerk of to pictures of jeremy,lena and cindy, ian get get beat up,ian can jerk of to jessica gangbang porn scenes, holly has fantasys about a uknowns man, holly can get corrupted in a relationship with ian, lena can be played like a slut if in a relationship with ian, lena can watch louise and jeremy, ian cant throw away the pictures of gillian , alison getting red in the club near axel ,the bouncer hit on holly , the coworker hit on holly , all the writting references if you play a certain way and many more....

this are all accidents by eva??so she accidentally wrote a corruption game (and a lot of references like alison getting red near axel at the disco engounter) and in the future there will happen nothing?

 

[JohnnyKiss]

When did I say Holly is the only who has that? I used her as a comparison since you brought her up in the first place. I even said that Jeremy becoming a stable LI for Lena isn't implausible, just needs to be written carefully to not conflict with his personality and lifestyle so far.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Strawmanning is just disingenuous.

"EvaKiss designed Holly with that conflict and character in mind from the very beginning. Jeremy has none of that"

This is the part I was referencing when I said Holly isn't the only character that has that conflict. Every character present has that and throughout the game you will certainly get the opportunity to change that character.

Saying that any of the characters can only go one way is weird. The point is to break the norms of those characters, the qeustion only is how you will able to do that.

 

[BloodyMares]

my english is not the best sorry maybe I understood it wrong but I live under the assumption that this game is mainly a corruption game maybe I am wrong and this game is now a vanilla dating sumulator and will have some normals dates and bunch of happy endings in the future and thats it.

So maybe I understand it wrong so alison underperforms in the treesome, axel can touch cindy near her vagina at the photoshot,ian can jerk of to pictures of jeremy,lena and cindy, ian get get beat up,ian can jerk of to jessica gangbang porn scenes, holly has fantasys about a uknowns man, holly can get corrupted in a relationship with ian, lena can be played like a slut if in a relationship with ian, lena can watch louise and jeremy, ian cant throw away the pictures of gillian , alison getting red in the club near axel ,the bouncer hit on holly , the coworker hit on holly , all the writting references if you play a certain way and many more....

this are all accidents by eva??so she accidentally wrote a corruption game (and a lot of references like alison getting red near axel at the disco engounter) and in the future there will happen nothing?

No, they're clearly not all accidents. Most of them are deliberate decisions with future content in mind. But the threesome with Jeremy and Louise while in a relationship with Ian wasn't deliberate, but a bug. Same with Holly agreeing to blow Mark to cheat on Ian, it was a bug. Holly hasn't reached the point in the story yet where she would be willing to cheat, she needs more time (and a series of poor choices by Ian). I'm positive some of the more kinky stuff will be introduced at a later date (after all there is holly_marcel variable). But don't be this impatient. Let Eva build everything up properly and decide how to manage this insane amount of storylines. She can't do everything at once.

 

[Blurpee69]

Oh Shit. Marcel is getting in on the action? If you all thought that Perry would slay the second he's off the leash, just wait for Marcel. ORS gonna be a harem game then.

 

[Deleted member 3707854]

Anybody reckon Ian will get with Louise and Ivy at some point? I'm having my boy Ian go on a sexual rampage through every lady that he can get his hands on!

 

[mommysboiii]

No, they're clearly not all accidents. Most of them are deliberate decisions with future content in mind. But the threesome with Jeremy and Louise while in a relationship with Ian wasn't deliberate, but a bug. Same with Holly agreeing to blow Mark to cheat on Ian, it was a bug. Holly hasn't reached the point in the story yet where she would be willing to cheat, she needs more time (and a series of poor choices by Ian). I'm positive some of the more kinky stuff will be introduced at a later date (after all there is holly_marcel variable). But don't be this impatient. Let Eva build everything up properly and decide how to manage this insane amount of storylines. She can't do everything at once.

I am sorry maybe i missunderstood english is not my main language.

It makes sens that holly for example is heels over head in love with Ian and has a huge crush on him and is at the moment not corrupted enough to do things like that or that lena at the moment is not currupted enough sure. SO if something like that happens at the moment its unintentional but it dosent mean it cant happen in the future if the writting gets more spicy.

and I have a question if you dont mind the treesome with alison and jeremy if ian underperforms jeremy wears a condom in my playthrough but if ian dosent get it up at all jeremy dosent wear a condom is there a reason behind it? or is it a accident??

(and a series of poor choices by Ian)

and what do you mean by that? I hope it dosent mean I have to roleplay my Ian as a huge asshole to her or something like that. I hope its more like beaing a wimp and dumb decission from ian than play ian as a huge incel pls.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Anybody reckon Ian will get with Louise and Ivy at some point? I'm having my boy Ian go on a sexual rampage through every lady that he can get his hands on!

Ivy I think will happen sometime soon, Louise I see happening with her being Lena's pet and Lena asking Ian for a threesome

 

[ffive]

Oh Shit. Marcel is getting in on the action? If you all thought that Perry would slay the second he's off the leash, just wait for Marcel. ORS gonna be a harem game then.

Sadly, holly_marcel is only used to mark whether Holly and Marcel have had a conversation. At least for now. Although no doubt he'd stamp that library card back to back if given a chance.

 

[Blurpee69]

Anybody reckon Ian will get with Louise and Ivy at some point? I'm having my boy Ian go on a sexual rampage through every lady that he can get his hands on!

He can already get with Ivy, and Louise was set up at during Lena's concert (second one I believe.) Not sure when Louise is going to happen, but the set up is there.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

He can already get with Ivy

Could you please elaborate?

 

[BloodyMares]

and I have a question if you dont mind the treesome with alison and jeremy if ian underperforms jeremy wears a condom in my playthrough but if ian dosent get it up at all jeremy dosent wear a condom is there a reason behind it? or is it a accident??

Personally I think if Ian couldn't get it up Alison gets so excited / distracted by her new experience with Jeremy (because they started without Ian) that she doesn't really think about condoms in that moment. Maybe she didn't think that he'd finish so soon and cum inside her without warning. It's clear that she's surprised that he ended up cumming inside her. If Ian is involved directly however, then Alison is mindful of him, and is more careful to prevent any nasty surprises because Ian would hate if she allowed Jeremy to fuck her unprotected. She wants to be a good girl for Ian and prioritise his feelings. But because Ian takes a back seat, she is more careless because she just wants to get fucked above all else.

and what do you mean by that? I hope it dosent mean I have to roleplay my Ian as a huge asshole to her or something like that. I hope its more like beaing a wimp and dumb decission from ian than play ian as a huge incel pls.

Well, you just need to think about who Holly is as a person. She idolizes Ian (if they're dating). He really makes her feel the happiest. So why would she want to risk her happiness for some random dick on the side? Sure, she wants to be more confident and brave but most of all to impress Ian, to make him like her even more. She can talk dirty with him, she can act dirty (ask him to cum on her face). She has the same motivation as Alison when she barks for him or wants to try anal even though she's not into it. It's a selfless behavior for the person they love. And while Alison has some slutty thoughts that she suppresses (like MFM threesome fantasy or curiosity about Jeremy), we don't know what kind of thoughts Holly has aside from that one fantasy featuring a stranger. Maybe Ian can fulfill that fantasy for her like he agreed to try the threesome for Alison. But for Holly to actually want to cheat, either she has to be disappointed with Ian (not necessarily because he's a jerk but maybe because he's too controlling, jealous or overprotective like her parents), or someone else has to make her feel things that she doesn't with Ian. Like, Lena could realistically be able to influence Holly if she wanted to because Holly worships her as well. Holly could reach a point where Lena's (Ivy's) words about enjoying sex without limits could awaken her inner desire to play around with no strings attached and try different kinds of sex, both with girls and other guys, even if she's dating Ian.

It's just that for now, Ian's influence on Holly is stronger than Lena's, but it could change in the future. And Ian might compromize his own influence by making mistakes and disappointing Holly (by refusing to commit to a relationship for example).

 

[HoneyLibido]

Lena seems to have the hottest expressions or drawn in a hotter way when in scenes with other dudes that aren't Ian, she looked incredibly hot in that (real) axel scene ngl.

On the flip side Ian has a lot of hot and vatiety options to pursue other than Lena, it feels like this guy wins in many cases. I liked the pregnancy play Allison had going there and Cindy is just one of the late ones that you may not have built up enough rapport to chase when the events that happen related to it matter in later chapters but she's extremely hot and seems worth the chase depending how events are built up in the future but if you don't she's at real risk getting axel'd, but shouldn't matter much realistically if you were pursuing someone else in a faithful way. I just hope there is a way your actions can save that Wade and Cindy relationship in that case since they are your friends, especially from axel.

Gillian is back and pretty much the axel in Ian's story, but it feels like it's easier to shake her off when you're already going after someone here as Ian.

 

[Blurpee69]

Could you please elaborate?

Elaborate how? As Ian, tell Axel you've slept with Lena, and Ivy will get mad respect for you, make a joke about Jeremy when Ivy runs into them on the street, and tell Ivy it's a free country at the club when she runs into you and Allison / Emma. Then there will be a scene in Chapter 10 that Ivy and Ian get in a spar and there will be a lot of sexual tension between them.

I suppose an actual sex scene hasn't happened yet, but it's pretty clear if you get that scene that its going to happen.

 

[ffive]

It's just that for now, Ian's influence on Holly is stronger than Lena's, but it could change in the future. And Ian might compromize his own influence by making mistakes and disappointing Holly (by refusing to commit to a relationship for example).

If Lena's variable for Holly's attraction is high enough Holly already starts having doubts in Ch.11 Prologue, regardless of Ian's performance:

Spoiler: game script

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[BloodyMares]

If Lena's variable for Holly's attraction is high enough Holly already starts having doubts in Ch.11 Prologue, regardless of Ian's performance:

            if ian_holly_dating:
                l "How are things going with Ian?"
                h "Oh, they're going good... At least that's what I think..."
                l "Hm... You don't sound too sure about it..."
                if lena_go_holly > 3:
                    "Holly directed a quick glance at me, but quickly averted her eyes, blushing."
                    h "I am. I just... Sometimes I feel kind of confused, and..."
                    h "Ah, what am I saying? I'm so stupid..."
                    l "Confused, how?"
                    h "Forget about it... I shouldn't have said anything."
                    h "I was lucky enough for Ian to notice me, and much more than that... My expectations have been blown away. I should focus on that."
                    "Were Holly's doubts caused by... me? Had she noticed that same intimate tension I felt when I was with her?"
                    if lena_go_holly == 5:
                        "I could barely contain it that last time, having Holly naked in my bed..."
                    "Suddenly I felt rather guilty about it."
                else:
                    h "I didn't mean to sound that way... I really think things are going great, much better than I dared to imagine at first..."
                h "Ian says he really likes me, and I believe he's being sincere..."
                l "But?"
                h "But... I don't know. I'm aware we're still getting to really know each other, and I have no intention of pressuring him."
                if lena_go_holly > 3:
                    h "It's a bit stupid to think like this, but... We're going on dates, but not {i}dating{/i} just yet."
                    h "And it's been great, but sometimes I wonder..."
                else:
                    l "I see. So you two are going on dates, but not {i}dating{/i} just yet."
                    h "Yes, something like that... And it's been great, but sometimes I wonder..."
                l "\"Does he feel the same way I do?\""
                h "Yes... Something like that."
                l "Why don't you ask him?"
                h "I wouldn't want to impose on him. He asked to take things slow, so..."
                l "I understand where are you coming from, but I'd consider bringing up the subject and being honest with your feelings. You and Ian have been dating for some time now..."
                h "I don't know. I just don't want to jinx it."
                l "I wouldn't worry too much about that... But in any case, I already gave you my piece of advice."
                h "Thank you. I'll think about it..."

Yes, I was just being extra careful not to mention something that the general public isn't supposed to know. I'm in the middle of thoroughly testing / writing the guide for Ch 10, so everything after that gets mixed up and I don't remember if I read something in the prologue or the actual Ch 11 script.

 

[mommysboiii]

Lena could realistically be able to influence Holly if she wanted to because Holly worships her as well. Holly could reach a point where Lena's (Ivy's) words about enjoying sex without limits could awaken her inner desire to play around with no strings attached and try different kinds of sex, both with girls and other guys, even if she's dating Ian.

This would be my feeling so nobody feels mad because its the players decission I could see if lena goes down the more open minded/slutty girl phase with ivy billy,photoshots,cheating and so on and holly wants to keep ivy and lena as her friends but they get more corrupted and go on wilder partys,drugs.... that holly has to keep up with them if she still want to hang out with ivy and lena.

Personally I think if Ian couldn't get it up Alison gets so excited / distracted by her new experience with Jeremy (because they started without Ian) that she doesn't really think about condoms in that moment. Maybe she didn't think that he'd finish so soon and cum inside her without warning. It's clear that she's surprised that he ended up cumming inside her. If Ian is involved directly however, then Alison is mindful of him, and is more careful to prevent any nasty surprises because Ian would hate if she allowed Jeremy to fuck her unprotected. She wants to be a good girl for Ian and prioritise his feelings. But because Ian takes a back seat, she is more careless because she just wants to get fucked above all else.

But I hope it has some consequences that alison has a deep conflict between the feelings for ian but the new lust/horny side that she discovert with jeremy.