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I was mostly responding to the suggestions Hawkes had made.
Jeremy no matter what is still a bit of a dick in the way he handles things with Louise, otherwise I feel it pretty much takes conscious effort by the player to make him an antagonist/rival of any kind. But either way I think the criticism is more at the lack of character growth. Regardless of how things pan out Jeremy still behaves mostly the same way and learns nothing from his (potential) mistakes. Like I said I think that's just a restriction of the type of games Eva makes, but it is not like it is unrealistic for people to take a long time to really change their ways either. And even then I don't know if I agree that is the case, the shittiest thing Jeremy can do to the protagonists is sleeping with Lena even while knowing Ian had feelings for her, and that only happens in the scenario where Lena didn't warn Louise and didn't get her to break up with Jeremy, which is a scenario where he mostly gets "rewarded" for the "sly" way he handles things with Louise, so why exactly would anyone expect him to be "learning" something from it?
I think Axel and Seymour are good characters with an interesting presentation. The only real criticism I have seen leveraged at them is that ultimately their motives are rather simple and impersonal. Seymour just wants to use his wealth and influence to take advantage of and manipulate people he takes an interest on (in this case Lena), and Axel is just an egomaniac who knows he messed up things with Lena but thinks rules shouldn't apply to him because he believes he is above "normal" people. I have seen people making theories in the past to try to give more personal meaning to the motivations of the villains (i.e people theorizing Seymour is Lena's biological father). While I do think coming up with that kind of stuff is fun, I don't think it is necessary to explain Seymour and Axel's characters, some people really just are obsessive assholes who go above and beyond in messing up with other people for extremely petty reasons. There is a good quote in this regard:
"The souls of emperors and cobblers are cast in the same mold…The same reason that makes us wrangle with a neighbor creates a war betwixt princes."
I don't think Jeremy even sees anything that potentially happens as a mistake -- getting freed of a psycho "girlfriend" is probably a blessing for him, if anything.
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A girlfriend who put out and was more than willing to put out no less. Just wanted time spent with her. Too much to ask? Not really.
Let's not suddenly pretend Louise isn't overly possessive, jealous and driven by wild mood swings just so we can dunk on Jeremy some more. We can get a very good sample of what being in relationship with her is like with Lena.
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Did I stutter and say she was perfect? No. BUT, it's not like he was hard up to get laid. But no... He wants to fuck around with Allison if Ian doesn't show interest, keeps trying to go after Ivy when the dude is caught.
Yeah, Louise is fucked in the head in alot of ways, but she isn't a nun and withholding sex from the guy. IF Jeremy actually TALKED to her and explained on his thoughts and feelings with the relationship and maybe suggested an open relationship of sorts with limits (mainly him not going after Ivy), their relationship might work out.
Oh... wait... never mind... EK would NEVER THINK OF THAT POSSIBLE OUTCOME OR IDEA TO FIX THEIR RELATIONSHIP and would rather have Jeremy keep on cheating scott free... I withdrawl this suggestion.
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Thanks. I was really hoping it was farther along. I really liked Good girl gone bad but I just couldn't get into this one for some reason.
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Man could have literally just broken up with her, or been upfront about the fact he didn't saw their relationship as serious or exclusive when Louise clearly thought otherwise.
Jeremy kept his mouth shut because he was already able to get some with Louise and knew that the moment she realized what he was about that she would dump his ass (at least with how the characters were at the start of the game).
Also he does admit he "messed up" when chatting with Lena some time after Louise breaks up with him, and he also got his balls busted by the boys when the subject comes up in their group of friends ("it wasn't me"). You could argue Jeremy thinks he only messed up by getting caught rather than cheating in the first place, but I don't think he is on that level of sociopathy yet, just a bit shameless and trying to hide under the excuse that it was just a misunderstanding between him and Louise that he didn't correct in time.
No. That won't be necessary, I've already read the last two pages.
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Not only that but he admits he SHOULD have a talk with her, via Lena talking to him, but says 'I don't wanna hurt her' or something to that effect. Dude... You are hurting her by lying your ass off and fucking around with Allison AND trying to hook up with Ivy, and who knows who else.
Yes, but then he'd have to face the same drama and complaints over the breakup he ultimately experienced, while giving up on sex. I hope no one is harboring illusions breakup with Louise would be a clean affair. It's easy to see why from his point of view it was preferable to keep stalling.
(am not saying it was a good thing to do, but simply that with this kind of attitude the ultimate outcome didn't serve as any sort of a lesson -- the drama was going to happen sooner or later, so not having to face it sooner and having some sex for a longer while was a "win", if anything)
Precisely. No fucks were given and no lessons were learnt.
I don't think it's sociopathy per se, just a very typical level of selfishness you'll see in many YAs. Heck, in people in general. It could be argued Lena, Ivy, Mike (and even Ian) can display the same sort of self-centeredness where personal pleasure counts first and foremost, and no serious thoughts are given to how other people affected by one's actions might feel about it. At least not to the point of feeling some actual remorse and learning anything from it.
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Just pointing out that's literally one of the defining behaviors associated with sociopathy. Growing to not care about other people's feelings is a natural progression from repeatedly making decisions that hurt said feelings.
But as to the rest, the point of breaking up with Louise (or having a discussion that would very likely lead to a break-up) is not for Jeremy to avoid drama, but to respect Louise's autonomy and right to decide what kind of relationship she wants to have. Louise feeling upset at a break-up is her prerogative as much as not wanting to be in an exclusive relationship is Jeremy's, deceiving her by omission and cheating is not.
Either way, this is not to say that Jeremy's behavior is unreasonable, it makes complete sense for the type of character that he is, but it is still imoral. I would just add that my read on him is that he is not imoral by malice (in the way the bigger villains like Seymour and Axel are), but just by immaturity. He wants to be a "player" but he is also not really ready to be a villain, he still seeks rationalizations that say he "isn't hurting anyone" or "it was a misunderstanding, not really his fault". Him being able to admit he was wrong in how he handled things with Louise is a little step, even if he is not ready to reform his ways.
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We are still waiting for it. It has been 2 weeks