VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[andybc]

And the age comment was in reference to being inexperienced and not making proper planning/outlines of your story... not about writers block. But anyway yeah, I'm an open source kind of person... porn game creators have some belief that everything needs to be kept a secret etc. and they want to gate shit behind pay wall on their patreon so they need something to gate. but i really hope they have good planning because i don't want to wait 8 months for the next update after this one.

Yea it's not like people want to be paid for their work and earn a living.... The entitlement is strong.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

Yeah I know, I've experienced writers block... but I never really had a problem with it. Take a chill pill for 1-3 days and it goes away, and find some inspiration in something else for awhile, and it goes away relatively quickly. Usually it never lasts more than one night. Some of the best writing happens before going to sleep or waking up the next morning too since that's when the brain is mentally more free to process things.

I'm not expecting, just stating they aren't professional writers. The bigger issue for me is that they need to come out and say 'yeah I didn't plan shit and I'm winging it as i go' or otherwise be fully transparent and release all their planning so people can take them seriously if they want to be considered good writers, or minimally if they want the delays to be considered as unavoidable and they've done their due diligence. Most of these game devs promote themselves as good writers, nobody can write like they can, can make great games like them and yet every time there is a delay it's on the writing end. I guess in eva's defense she's probably more of an art person than a writer anyway.

The fact that no outline is ever released? no planning shown for the next 10 updates? this is a bad sign imo, and so expect delays and updates that take 8 months - really this is what I expect if I expect anything from a none transparent developer team.

Writers block isn't truly an issue, 3 days here and there doesn't equate to a 8 month update cycle at all. Likewise there are ways to forge ahead through a writers block, by doing baby steps, focusing on other tasks, writing what you can/the aspects that are not blocked, and slowly your block begins to clear as you do the small things that you can do.... Likewise you can just write something really epically fucking shitty and then edit it to perfection later... the important part is to actually have something down than wallow in your feelings of not being able to write anything.

I can understand burn out, I can understand art delays, I can understand family emergencies and health problems... but writers block? nah, that shit you need to deal with by having good planning, good organization skills... having everything that will happen in the story already made? Now maybe there is a full outline of all events for the next 10 updates, maybe not? if there is then great... but writers block alone doesn't lead to 8 month cycles.

And the age comment was in reference to being inexperienced and not making proper planning/outlines of your story... not about writers block. But anyway yeah, I'm an open source kind of person... porn game creators have some belief that everything needs to be kept a secret etc. and they want to gate shit behind pay wall on their patreon so they need something to gate. but i really hope they have good planning because i don't want to wait 8 months for the next update after this one.

And not to fully criticize, eva is pretty fast on the art, perhaps if the writing aspects took as long as the art the speeds would improve for the updates.

This smells like "depression isn't a real thing, i got out of it just fine" type of argument lmao.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I patiently await for the day that my boy Marcel finally gets laid.

*[from an in-game character]. I mean, he's a bouncer at a club full of drunken sluts. I bet Marcel's doing fine for himself off-screen.

 

[Vurg]

My boy Marcel clearly only has eyes for best girl Holly.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

Well I disagree. And I've had writers block. You're making it seem like some mysterious illness when it's not. Writers block is just a mental block of not knowing what to write. But there can't ever be a COMPLETE unknowing of what to write. Your mind is not empty, evakiss is not a bimbo as far as we know right? you know what the scene is, you know who the characters are, you know what is supposed to happen, you wrote similar scenes before so you have previous experience to

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The psychology behind writers block: Most writers struggle with fear. Fear of putting themselves and their ideas out there. Fear of others judging them or criticising their work. Fear of being rejected by publishers or their readers.

Perhaps those are the formal definitions, but I don't think you can say that writers block should not last more than a few days. It's going to vary a lot from artist to artist. Ernest Hemingway described his problem as writers block and felt it was so overwhelming he eventually took his life. Now, yes, probably a psychologist would say that Hemingway was clearly dealing with something much more serious, and that seems pretty obvious to me, too, but Hemingway felt he couldn't write anymore. It just wouldn't come.

If Eva wants to describe her feelings as writers block, let her. She's probably burned out and who knows what other personal crap she's dealing with? I hope she takes the time she needs and comes back to it when she feels ready.

 

[lucadiadis]

I don't know for you guys but what's frustating for me is that I have never ever experienced the writer's block and I know exactly what I would write at this stage of the story and for all paths. So it's frustrating as a player to have all these clear ideas and see the author not having them. I almost want to reach out to EK and offer my services for free.

 

[dolfe67]

I don't know for you guys but what's frustating for me is that I have never ever experienced the writer's block and I know exactly what I would write at this stage of the story and for all paths. So it's frustrating as a player to have all these clear ideas and see the author not having them. I almost want to reach out to EK and offer my services for free.

Having good ideas and writing them well are different things I assume. But I'm no writer.

 

[ramakes]

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[MrHero67]

Waiting for updates

 

[Ragnar]

Nah, depression is a real issue, you need to build tools/experience to be able to cope with different problems in life. One can have tools to deal with depression, like a therapist... but there is no therapist who specializes in writers block - unless you count me With that said literally anything else would explain a long update cycle, delays in art, burnout, family emergencies, or health problem - including physical or mental (ie back to burnout or even depression)... writers block? yeah sure that accounts for 1-2 weeks of lost time... delays... but not months, if you have a writers block for every scene you need to write, then a bigger problem is at play here... i'm trying to get across the point that with proper planning writers block is less likely to occur or last as long because there would be less mental pressure too.

Or maybe now that she has a steady Patreon income she doesn't have the need to work that hard like during GGGB days. Now it's writer's block but she has been working slower since the beginning of ORS. I can't blame her if that's the case, most devs take +3 months to deliver any update these days.

 

[BigTyson]

Nah, depression is a real issue, you need to build tools/experience to be able to cope with different problems in life. One can have tools to deal with depression, like a therapist... but there is no therapist who specializes in writers block - unless you count me With that said literally anything else would explain a long update cycle, delays in art, burnout, family emergencies, or health problem - including physical or mental (ie back to burnout or even depression)... writers block? yeah sure that accounts for 1-2 weeks of lost time... delays... but not months, if you have a writers block for every scene you need to write, then a bigger problem is at play here... i'm trying to get across the point that with proper planning writers block is less likely to occur or last as long because there would be less mental pressure too.

If writers block was easy to get over, GRRM would have finished the A Song of Ice and Fire series already. Planning is fine but I do not think it would have saved EVA from any of the issues she is having. Plans can change and taking what you have written and putting it into a game is its own separate skill.

 

[fortuna95]

My boy Marcel clearly only has eyes for best girl Holly.

Holly 50kg, Marcel 150kg

 

[Doppelgang]

Take a chill pill for 1-3 days and it goes away, and find some inspiration in something else for awhile, and it goes away relatively quickly. Usually it never lasts more than one night.

You're acting as if writer's block is something identical from case to case, irrespective of what's being written, who's writing it, and its complexity. If you're just a bit stuck or have lost the flow, taking a break is often enough. But if the problem is something like "sort[ing] out all the complex variations in any given scene", like Eva mentions, the issue is most likely just as complex when you get back to the writing board. That's not primarily about flow, but about hundreds of pieces needing to be assembled, finding the right way to make everything work together.

Most of these game devs promote themselves as good writers, nobody can write like they can, can make great games like them and yet every time there is a delay it's on the writing end.

This is just a straw man. I'm sure Eva's never claimed anything remotely similar to this—and if some completely different developer did, it shouldn't be necessary to explain why Eva shouldn't be held accountable for it.

Likewise there are ways to forge ahead through a writers block, by doing baby steps, focusing on other tasks, writing what you can/the aspects that are not blocked, and slowly your block begins to clear as you do the small things that you can do....

Which is more or less exactly what Eva has explained over and over that she does in these situations. In this status update as well, but even clearer in the previous one: "Since I couldn't get my head to properly work, I focused on art tasks". You'll see the same if you check the status updates from the previous chapters.

I don't know for you guys but what's frustating for me is that I have never ever experienced the writer's block and I know exactly what I would write at this stage of the story and for all paths. So it's frustrating as a player to have all these clear ideas and see the author not having them. I almost want to reach out to EK and offer my services for free.

It's pretty clear from Eva's communication throughout the development that the issues aren't about lacking ideas. E.g., there's been several times Eva's mentioned scenes she's finally implemented after having planned to include them for several chapters, but couldn't fit them in. She likely has way more ideas lined up at all times than can fit into an upcoming chapter.

And yeah, all of us probably have clear ideas about what could happen next. But the reason for that is that the story—written by Eva!—has set up a bunch of story beats and character interactions that open up the story and point forward to the next development between the characters. The ideas that appear to us at this stage, are served to us on a plate by Eva. So to assume that you have "all these clear ideas" yourself while Eva doesn't, is at best a very naive way to look at where those ideas appear from.

 

[BloodyMares]

I don't know for you guys but what's frustating for me is that I have never ever experienced the writer's block and I know exactly what I would write at this stage of the story and for all paths. So it's frustrating as a player to have all these clear ideas and see the author not having them. I almost want to reach out to EK and offer my services for free.

Would you like to write the character bios? Eva doesn't have the time to update them, and we could use someone who'd keep track of the game paths and update the bios accordingly to describe important developments in short sentences.

 

[BlackIsBetter]

If writers block

Would you like to write the character bios? Eva doesn't have the time to update them, and we could use someone who'd keep track of the game paths and update the bios accordingly to describe important developments in short sentences.

How much is the pay?

 

[jamdan]

Or maybe now that she has a steady Patreon income she doesn't have the need to work that hard like during GGGB days. Now it's writer's block but she has been working slower since the beginning of ORS. I can't blame her if that's the case, most devs take +3 months to deliver any update these days.

It's almost like creating a higher quality and probably overly complicated games (number of characters, branching etc.) is hard.

On writers block. It isn't just not having ideas. It's having a lot of ideas you have to sort through to figure out which one makes the most sense, if they're viable or not and all sorts of other things.

 

[IDoAThing]

It's almost like creating a higher quality and probably overly complicated games (number of characters, branching etc.) is hard.

On writers block. It isn't just not having ideas. It's having a lot of ideas you have to sort through to figure out which one makes the most sense, if they're viable or not and all sorts of other things.

100% agree, there is so much speculation in here I feel like I am reading conspiracy theories on 4chan or reddit. Maybe it is simply that she is trying to make the work she is doing the best quality she can, like she said. Maybe she is passionate about her games because they are an artistic outlet? Lord of the rings took 12 years to write.

Who knows, maybe I am the crazy person here.

 

[Nikko_]

For this "genre"/type of game there is a very easy solution to the writer´s block... lean on the community for "inspiration". And that doesn't mean to take what the people write literally, anything can be tweaked heavily as you see fit.
Aside from that it seems as if Eva doesn't know where she wants to end up with every character. If she could define something like 2 endings for every character(maybe 3 for a few) then it gets easier. You just start "filling in the blanks" to get there.

 

[Arata20]

For this "genre"/type of game there is a very easy solution to the writer´s block... lean on the community for "inspiration". And that doesn't mean to take what the people write literally, anything can be tweaked heavily as you see fit.
Aside from that it seems as if Eva doesn't know where she wants to end up with every character. If she could define something like 2 endings for every character(maybe 3 for a few) then it gets easier. You just start "filling in the blanks" to get there.

Apparently, EK doesn't want to turn ors into late trashy gggb with all resulting perversions. But if do not increase the degree from chapter to chapter, then game will simply mark time (as it is now) and will be boring (as it is now imho).

 

[BloodyMares]

How much is the pay?

Volunteers only