VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

First, I said IF you know someone cheated. You can know this in a variety of ways. If their previous partner separated with them because they cheated, if it's your opposite gendered friend that cheated and you want to pursue them, if they cheated on their partner with you like Cindy and Ian. Why would you act like it's impossible to know if someone cheated?

Sure if you want to gamble with your own feelings and future that's your pejorative. Maybe I shouldn't have said "any guy who doesn't want to be cheated on". Instead I shall readjust my stance:

Any man who can take an IQ test and score anywhere above 30 points should not date a known cheater as there are plenty of women who haven't ever cheated and have lower likelihood of violating your relationship boundaries. This is not a description of reality, but a prescription for any who intends to go into the dating market and wants to lower their chances of getting cheated on.

I get it you have 'once a cheater always a cheater' stance but Cindy is not a natural cheater, she is not like Jeremy or Axel who would cheat without having second thoughts. Ian, Wade and Axel pushed her to cheat, corrupt her in a way, even after that she tried to make amends with her boyfriend and tried to keep a distance from Ian. Even after they established some sort of agreement, she is not jumping on his dick whenever she can. Can she cheat on Ian too, it is entirely possible but she won't cheat for the sake of it. So I think a romance path is highly possible for her. Though there is a possibility with that modelling job, she gets more corrupt, then she would become a cheater. She is on the edge I think, we can get a perfect love story for her or some sort of deranged immoral fame hungry Cindy. So far, it could swing both ways.

Other than that, I really am thinking same as you about cheaters. We do not have any girl equal to Jeremy, except you can play Lena in that way, if we had a girl like that we could have said Ian will get cheated on with certainty. I think Gillian will be like that but we don't know much about her yet.

 

[mommysboiii]

Holy shit dude, you really are unable to reply to someone who disagree with you without appeal to extremes and to this pedantic armor of "realism". Sounds like you know this story and characters even better than Eva.

Stop see things just through extremes. Nobody said Cindy is like Holly, But she also isn't a compulsive cheater with no feellings or respect for anyone. Eva take her time to builded Ian/Cindy route towards that scene in the alley exactly to make clear and beliveable she cheating on Wade in that moment. If she was such a selfish cheater as you said, it won't take so much time to Ian get her, hell even Axel will be already fuck her as soon they meet in The Shine this way. And she surely won't feel so disturbed about what she did with Ian after that if she was this way you paint her.

She is not a saint or a angel. But she is also not a demon. She is a person and people are more complex than angels/demons (at least she is as much complex as a writer with Eva skilss is able to write complex character). And the funny/irony is that your way to see the characters is the true "unrealism" in all this.

I don't think it's very complicated. Cindy has spent two years with Wade, and for about half of that time she's been increasingly frustrated with him. But it still took Ian getting very close to her, and very explosive quarrel with her boyfriend that brought her really low, for cheating to actually take place. Afterwards she feels very bad about it and if it's left up to her she wants this to be over and never brought up again. She isn't the one asking Ian to keep on cheating. That's not exactly what a very selfish person does. A very selfish Cindy would've been cheating on Wade for months at this point and not giving a flying fuck about it.

So, yeah. I don't think you need to be some sort of "Holly level saint" not to cheat on a person you're in a happy relationship with. You only need to be a fairly normal person, which is a bar Cindy clears quite easily.

I have no problem with beaing wrong and maybe I am wrong but I hink you both cope hard because you like her looks (I love cindy too btw)

if you actaully look at the writting you can clearly see that axel is written as the rival and that cindy is very selfish,egoistic,wants to be the center of attention hell you can even see in the first scene the first time you meet her at the aparment with the beer how her personalitie is you can see it everywhere in the writting if you actually looks closely.

so to argue cindy was just in a bad relationship thats is why she cheated with his CHILDHOOD friend in a dark alley I am not sure about that but again maybe I am wrong. We will see how the wildcats part plays out in the future.

 

[ffive]

I have no problem with beaing wrong and maybe I am wrong but I hink you both cope hard because you like her looks (I love cindy too btw)

For what little it's worth, Ian in my game have agreed to end things with Cindy at her request, because he's genuinely trying to make things work with Lena and, much like Cindy, is rather remorseful about what'd happened. So i don't have a personal horse in this race, so to speak.

I like most of the characters in the game. Admittedly, this may be causing me to look at them not as harsh as some others here, but i can't say i feel my view of them is significantly off. Then again, i could be wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see, like you say.

 

[SerHawkes]

Holy shit dude, you really are unable to reply to someone who disagree with you without appeal to extremes and to this pedantic armor of "realism".

Considering how 99% of the things that are said are entirely unreadable and don't make a lick of sense... What do you expect?

That said...

Snuggling with a thic girl while waiting for proper time with a Blue Hair Siren is a comfortable pasttime.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Considering how 99% of the things that are said are entirely unreadable and don't make a lick of sense... What do you expect?

That said...
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Snuggling with a thic girl while waiting for proper time with a Blue Hair Siren is a comfortable pasttime.

That will be very very hard for me when I have to choose between Emma and Cindy, ngl.

 

[lipe2410]

if you actaully look at the writting you can clearly see that axel is written as the rival and that cindy is very selfish,egoistic,wants to be the center of attention hell you can even see in the first scene the first time you meet her at the aparment with the beer how her personalitie is you can see it everywhere in the writting if you actually looks closely.

Seems like is you who doesn't look closely since i simply told another thing that is part of her writing that you simply ignored:

If she was such a selfish cheater as you said, it won't take so much time to Ian get her, hell even Axel will be already fuck her as soon they meet in The Shine this way. And she surely won't feel so disturbed about what she did with Ian after that if she was this way you paint her

You also ignore the most obvious and simple mechanic of this game: any girl that players make Ian pursue will become attracted to Ian. In case of Cindy, pursue her means give attention to her, support her in her dreams, two things that Wade doesn't do anymore. And if players do that, what's the outcome? She become attracted to Ian and have sex with him and not with the "greek god" Axel.
So, think Cindy will simply cheat on Ian doesn't matter what players do, just because she is a cheater, is simply ignore the most basic mechanic of the game.

I'm not even pursuing Cindy in my main saves. Just play her content to see the differences from my headcanon save and unlock more scenes in the gallery. I'm just look at the story and the character as Eva has showed how she work so far and not biased by how i want she work.

 

[SerHawkes]

That will be very very hard for me when I have to choose between Emma and Cindy, ngl.

My choice is simple. Ivy. Emma as a optional side piece while I play the No Nut For Ivy Saga.

 

[JoeSte91]

At least she asks for a beer. But the scene mostly just ends up making Perry look cheap and petty I thought.

 

[SerHawkes]

At least she asks for a beer. But the scene mostly just ends up making Perry look cheap and petty I thought.

Thats because he is.

 

[m4pII]

Once a cheater, always a cheater.
I fucking love Cindy, but it's stupid to build a relationship with a person who prefers to lie and cheat instead of solving problems or an honest breakup.
It's a huge red flag.

 

[SerHawkes]

Once a cheater, always a cheater.
I fucking love Cindy, but it's stupid to build a relationship with a person who prefers to lie and cheat instead of solving problems or an honest breakup.
It's a huge red flag.

Brillant logic implying she cheated on Wade before him and during on him prior to now. This is new for her. She can be interested in Ian, given the OPTIONAL kiss/fucking in the alley. Outside of that, she doesn't CHEAT.

But sure sure, she's a cheater and has always been one according to your joke logic.

 

[m4pII]

First, how do you know someone cheated before dating her/him? Do you blunty ask them if they ever cheated in their life?
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hmm, it is quite obvious that such things are revealed in the process of dating. Before you start a serious exclusive relationship, you need to get to know your partner well. Who are her friends, family relationships, former relationships, how she behaves in stressful situations, how she solves problems, etc.

Second, it may be because you think you're the right one who will fulfill their need and they won't cheat anymore.

The famous "I will change this chad/tyron" and "I will turn a whore into a housewife"
It is stupid

 

[m4pII]

Brillant logic implying she cheated on Wade before him and during on him prior to now. This is new for her. She can be interested in Ian, given the OPTIONAL kiss/fucking in the alley. Outside of that, she doesn't CHEAT.

But sure sure, she's a cheater and has always been one according to your joke logic.

take a chill pill.
I didn't write that she was a cheater before Wade. I wrote that after her cheating on Wade, it is stupid to build a serious relationship with her.

 

[rj677]

Second, sure if you want to gamble with your own feelings and future that's your pejorative. Maybe I shouldn't have said "any guy who doesn't want to be cheated on". Instead I shall readjust my stance:

Any man who can take an IQ test and score anywhere above 30 points should not date a known cheater as there are plenty of women who haven't ever cheated and have lower likelihood of violating your relationship boundaries. This is not a description of reality, but a prescription for any who intends to go into the dating market and wants to lower their chances of getting cheated on.

Even if a relantionship with her would be different, nothings is to say she wouldnt find a new frustration with her new boyfriend and cheat again. That might be an extreme philosophy to some, but personally that is the most obvious thing to me. why would anyone ever want to date someone they know has cheated on someone in the past.

Man, I swear that every time I come back to this thread I find something to debate that doesnt necessarily have to do with the game itself .

The thing is, I actually agree with your points and they are really well thought and put together... However, you are both sort of looking only at the "cheater" and not looking at the other variable: YOU, the guy who is gonna be on that relationship with "Cindy" (for the sake of easier discussion, the name of the woman who cheated is Cindy).

My opinion on this point is very simple: If I start a relationship with a woman, and when I say the start I mean after youre in the boyfriend/girlfriend stage, the woman across from me becomes a blank canvas: I dont care how many dicks she sucked, how many guys she fucked, how many girls she licked or if she cheated or not .

Will I be wary and lets say "scared" on the first few months that she might cheat on me too? YES, but thats default human behaviour to think about the worst even at the best of circumstances. But thats on YOU, if you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen .

Its as much about YOUR personality as it is "Cindys" PAST... If you dont have confidence on yourself and the self esteem needed to get over her past you will never be able to actually know her present and future because even if she does everything right by you, your insecurities will always blind you and default you to her past as early as the first time she "has to work late" . And funnily enough, that will just up the odds of her cheating on you .

Concluding: Its difficult and it takes BOTH of you to make it work just like any other relationship... Its all about trust, dialogue and honesty (some good fucking also helps ). Without these 3 main aspects, ANYONE can get cheated on with or without a past of it

 

[SerHawkes]

take a chill pill.
I didn't write that she was a cheater before Wade. I wrote that after her cheating on Wade, it is stupid to build a serious relationship with her.

Yet you said, and I quote: 'Once a Cheater, Always a Cheater'. So you truly assume that Cinders would then cheat on Ian, even if he were to satisfy her needs, desires, passions in life? Reality is calling and it says not happening, unless Ian were to fuck up and push her to doing so.

 

[m4pII]

Yet you said, and I quote: 'Once a Cheater, Always a Cheater'. So you truly assume that Cinders would then cheat on Ian, even if he were to satisfy her needs, desires, passions in life? Reality is calling and it says not happening, unless Ian were to fuck up and push her to doing so.

Such a nice guy.
I won’t even ask how old you are and whether you were once in a serious relationship, because it’s already obvious.

 

[SerHawkes]

Such a nice guy.
I won’t even ask how old you are and whether you were once in a serious relationship, because it’s already obvious.

Right. Gotta love when people who think they know it all go with the claim 'it's already obvious', as if its the arguement ender.

But sure, Cindy, once she breaks up with Wade after a lackluster relationship, who will enjoy Ian's companionship and likely find a rekindled love and spark in her life, will then "OBVIOUSLY" cheat on him with Perry, then Lena, then Stan, who will marry her and have 12 kids, according to your "obvious" branch of logic.

And for the record, I'm 30, have had some serious relationships before yet have broken up mutually and by no means were the partners I was with cheated on me, thank ya much.

 

[ffive]

hmm, it is quite obvious that such things are revealed in the process of dating.

They've asked how you learn this before you start dating. Because the whole point was supposedly that one should not date former cheaters. If you need to date a former cheater in order to learn they've cheated then, well, the ship has already sailed on the "you should not date former cheaters" thing.

 

[m4pII]

But sure, Cindy, once she breaks up with Wade after a lackluster relationship, who will enjoy Ian's companionship and likely find a rekindled love and spark in her life, will then "OBVIOUSLY" cheat on him with Perry, then Lena, then Stan, who will marry her and have 12 kids, according to your "obvious" branch of logic.

I do not want to disassemble this naivety about sincere love and pink ponies.
But I can say for sure that on one of the routes, she will cheat on him with Axel.

And for the record, I'm 30, have had some serious relationships before yet have broken up mutually and by no means were the partners I was with cheated on me, thank ya much.

Hmm, maybe you solved the problem as adults because both of you didn't cheat on anyone in a previous relationship? logics?

 

[m4pII]

They've asked how you learn this before you start dating. Because the whole point was supposedly that one should not date former cheaters. If you need to date a former cheater in order to learn they've cheated then, well, the ship has already sailed on the "you should not date former cheaters" thing.

hmm, casual dating and exclusive relationships are two different things. All this needs to be learned during the dating.