VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[BloodyMares]

The point is simple there are not some set conditions prior to initiating any route than that route is started out of thin air as there are no points which are calculated to make that route available or not as this has happened with cuck route. I believe these

Not really. To initiate the cuck route Lena either needs to cheat on Ian with Axel or Seymour, or she needs to deny Ian sex. Without these conditions Ian can't become a cuck.

 

[| Vee |]

Not really. To initiate the cuck route Lena either needs to cheat on Ian with Axel or Seymour, or she needs to deny Ian sex. Without these conditions Ian can't become a cuck.

Well I had that option available even though Lena in my playthrough was full on Ian mode and lesbian mode. A bug?

Edit: in Version 10.3. It also mean that these are set conditions for cuck route?

 

[| Vee |]

Well, so far the only type of "cuck behavior" that initiates the cuck path is acting insecure when Lena mentions her experience with other dudes ("You mean I'm not THE best?") and then being okay with constant denial by Lena (handjobs / blowjobs only or no satisfaction at all) instead of calling her out on it with subsequent quitting.

Are there insecure points counter for Ian? also i think acting insecure 1 time with Lena should not initiate cuck point but i see where you are going.

 

[ffive]

I believe these (...) should be the basis of evaluation for initiating the cuck path.

This would mean in order for Ian to be a cuck he has to enter sexual relationship with Allison. I hope i don't need to explain why it'd be a poor idea..?

 

[| Vee |]

This would mean in order for Ian to be a cuck he has to enter sexual relationship with Allison. I hope i don't need to explain why it'd be a poor idea..?

No, Ian should not enter into a relationship for him to be a cuck. Ian and Allison are clearly not in a relationship but there should be some type of conditions/checks that are carried out in those situations (that I mentioned) which should make a difference in calculating prior conditions for initiating the cuck route that is my take on this.

 

[ffive]

Edit: in Version 10.3. It also mean that these are set conditions for cuck route?

These are exact conditions:

if v9_axel_sex or (lena_seymour_dating and seymour_disposition < 2):
# ...
        menu:
            "Accept handjob":
# ...
                menu:
#...
                    "{image=icon_sad.webp}{i}One{/i} of the best?":
                        $ ian_cuck = True
# ...
elif ian_lena_sex == False:
# ...
        if lena_robert_sex or lena_mike_sex:
#...
            menu:
                "{image=icon_sad.webp}{i}One{/i} of the best?":
                    $ ian_cuck = True

No, Ian should not enter into a relationship for him to be a cuck.

Then it doesn't follow what you said: that Ian's behavior in threesome with Allison and Jeremy should be part of basis of him becoming a cuck. Passing such check would require Ian to have sex with Allison (and Jeremy). Testing whether Ian asked Jeremy for Allison's pictures would similarly require playing Ian as someone who has some actual interest in Allison.

 

[BloodyMares]

Well I had that option available even though Lena in my playthrough was full on Ian mode and lesbian mode. A bug?

Edit: in Version 10.3. It also mean that these are set conditions for cuck route?

Did you sign the contract with Seymour?
Yes, these are the conditions for the cuck route. Maybe there will be other opportunities in the future, but I'm saying how it is at the moment.

Is there insecure points counter for Ian? also i think acting insecure 1 time with Lena should not initiate cuck point but i see where you are going.

Well, he doesn't just act insecure. He also cums prematurely when Lena talks about Robert / Axel / her general experience and lust. It means that her dirty talk about other guys doesn't kill his mood but turn him on so much that he can't help himself but cum. I don't know about you, but I think it's a heavy sign that Ian at least has a voyeur kink / unrealized cuckold fantasy.

It doesn't mean that Ian and Lena will immediately start acting on this fantasy. Plus, there are ian_cuck points (1 or 2). Simply acting insecure this one time triggers ian_cuck = 1 which translates to light teasing and Ian being curious about her past and turned on by the idea of Lena having sex with others (in general, not while dating him). You need ian_cuck = 2 to be locked into the cuck path fully, where Lena starts denying Ian sex and teasing him hard (femdom).

 

[| Vee |]

These are exact conditions:

if v9_axel_sex or (lena_seymour_dating and seymour_disposition < 2):
# ...
        menu:
            "Accept handjob":
# ...
                menu:
#...
                    "{image=icon_sad.webp}{i}One{/i} of the best?":
                        $ ian_cuck = True
# ...
elif ian_lena_sex == False:
# ...
        if lena_robert_sex or lena_mike_sex:
#...
            menu:
                "{image=icon_sad.webp}{i}One{/i} of the best?":
                    $ ian_cuck = True

These are counters of Lena not Ian that's what I'm talking about (no counter of Ian).

Then it doesn't follow what you said: that Ian's behavior in threesome with Allison and Jeremy should be part of basis of him becoming a cuck. Passing such check would require Ian to have sex with Allison (and Jeremy). Testing whether Ian asked Jeremy for Allison's pictures would similarly require playing Ian as someone who has some actual interest in Allison.

Ian asking for pictures, underperforming in Allison's threesome with Jeremy (or agreeing to MMF threesome If Ian is emotionally invested in F in this situation) etc. these should at least make some impact on cuck route.

 

[| Vee |]

Did you sign the contract with Seymour?
Yes, these are the conditions for the cuck route. Maybe there will be other opportunities in the future, but I'm saying how it is at the moment.

I will play this part again with variations and check but i did sign the contract.

Edit: I delete game after playing just keeping save files will check in new update
Also can you check this counter argument with Eva that why Lena's counter are taken into account but not Ian's if Ian is asking for pictures, underperforming in Allison's threesome with Jeremy (or agreeing to MMF threesome) etc

 

[Mr. Muscles]

You people really are "cuck" obsessed

 

[fatpussy123]

Did you sign the contract with Seymour?
Yes, these are the conditions for the cuck route. Maybe there will be other opportunities in the future, but I'm saying how it is at the moment.



Well, he doesn't just act insecure. He also cums prematurely when Lena talks about Robert / Axel / her general experience and lust. It means that her dirty talk about other guys doesn't kill his mood but turn him on so much that he can't help himself but cum. I don't know about you, but I think it's a heavy sign that Ian at least has a voyeur kink / unrealized cuckold fantasy.

It doesn't mean that Ian and Lena will immediately start acting on this fantasy. Plus, there are ian_cuck points (1 or 2). Simply acting insecure this one time triggers ian_cuck = 1 which translates to light teasing and Ian being curious about her past and turned on by the idea of Lena having sex with others (in general, not while dating him). You need ian_cuck = 2 to be locked into the cuck path fully, where Lena starts denying Ian sex and teasing him hard (femdom).

Wait I knew about ian_cuck = 1, but how do you unlock ian_cuck = 2?

 

[BloodyMares]

Ian asking for pictures, underperforming in Allison's threesome with Jeremy (or agreeing to MMF threesome If Ian is emotionally invested in F in this situation) these should at least make some impact on cuck route.

I get what you're saying, but checking for the status in other relationships is a pain in the ass from the tracking perspectives. I agree, that Ian jacking off to pics of Jeremy doing either Alison or Emma could have an impact on this route in the future, but locking trigger conditions behind those actions is not wise, because there might be players interested in roleplaying as a cuck without ever showing a sexual interest in Alison. So, Eva introduced a pretty self-contained opportunity for Ian to be curious about Lena's sexual adventures / submissive in bed.

Alternatively, some could argue that jerking off to Alison and Jeremy's pics doesn't count since it's basically free porn starring his friend (which Ian can have no feelings for) but dating Lena on the other hand is very different, since it's more serious and entails certain expectations. For these type of roleplayers it would suck to be railroaded into cuckoldry with their main girl just because they were open to seeing their bro do it with a totally different girl.

 

[| Vee |]

I get what you're saying, but checking for the status in other relationships is a pain in the ass from the tracking perspectives. I agree, that Ian jacking off to pics of Jeremy doing either Alison or Emma could have an impact on this route in the future, but locking trigger conditions behind those actions is not wise, because there might be players interested in roleplaying as a cuck without ever showing a sexual interest in Alison. So, Eva introduced a pretty self-contained opportunity for Ian to be curious about Lena's sexual adventures / submissive in bed.

Alternatively, some could argue that jerking off to Alison and Jeremy's pics doesn't count since it's basically free porn starring his friend (which Ian can have no feelings for) but dating Lena on the other hand is very different, since it's more serious and entails certain expectations. For these type of roleplayers it would suck to be railroaded into cuckoldry with their main girl just because they were open to seeing their bro do it with a totally different girl.

Alright thanks for clarifying this seems the most realistic answer for this I guess it is suitable

 

[BloodyMares]

Wait I knew about ian_cuck = 1, but how do you unlock ian_cuck = 2?

You deny Ian sex in Ch 11 prologue.

 

[fatpussy123]

You deny Ian sex in Ch 11 prologue.

Thats interesting, I didnt know. I checked the walkthrough on the front page and it says that the ride his face option triggers lena_dom, but nothing about ian_cuck = 2.

 

[ffive]

These are counters of Lena not Ian that's what I'm talking about (no counter of Ian).

They are both: the game checks how the player directed Lena so far, and then gives the player option to match this from Ian's side, by making him act insecure about it.

Ian asking for pictures, underperforming in Allison's threesome with Jeremy (or agreeing to MMF threesome If Ian is emotionally invested in F in this situation) etc. these should at least make some impact on cuck route.

Again, these actions you want require the player to get involved with Allison. Making it a pre-requisite is a poor idea imo, as it'd force the player into interactions with character they potentially don't give a shit about.

"make some impact" is a weasel word in this case -- these choices would either have decisive impact, or they wouldn't matter if they didn't.

 

[truien]

That route got pruned sometime ago, so you're out of luck.

That's too bad. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[BloodyMares]

Also can you check this counter argument with Eva that why Lena's counter are taken into account but not Ian's if Ian is asking for pictures, underperforming in Allison's threesome with Jeremy (or agreeing to MMF threesome) etc

I'd say give it time. The route has barely been introduced. It started from Lena's sexual exploits triggering Ian's unexpected reaction but I'm sure Ian will get an opportunity to explore his feelings on that whenever you play as him next time. After all, he didn't have time to process the outcome of Alison's threesome either (if he underperformed).

Personally, I don't want to make the job harder for Eva that it already is, but I'll make sure that everything is as consistent as possible. At least now Ian and Lena have separate cheating variables that could make it easier to track their morality and thus openness to some questionable decisions. So hopefully there'll be less unexplained personality swings. Maybe Eva will introduce some additional variables like that that would track Ian or Lena's behavior across all of the relationships, not just with each other.

 

[mommysboiii]

They are characters; not people so it's not paranoi. I'm looking at the game through the perspective of these being characters with certain roles to play in the story. I do not know what "they need to act believably" has to do with anything. Now THAT'S a drivel.

Again, used the modded gallery for Allison Threesome and you will see you are given a choice of Ian asking Jeremy for more jerk off material which then influences how the scene goes; I don't care that "cuck variable isn't affected ☝"

but can you be in a relationship with alison and get more jerk of material(I am interested to know)??? I love the alison route but as far as I played I can get only one by failing vs jeremy competition at the bar and than enter a dating route after that

and what is the extra content sound like?????

 

[JohnnyKiss]

but can you be in a relationship with alison and get more jerk of material(I am interested to know)??? I love thealison route but as far as I played I can get only one by failingvs jeremy competition at the bar and than enter a dating route after that

I don't think you can but you still have the option for Jeremy to creampie Ian's girlfriend (Allison).