VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[camube]

I know people on here either absolutely hate Ivy or absolutely love her, personally I have no horse in that race, but something I have never seen brought up is this moment here on the path where Ian and Lena are crushing on each other and Holly kisses both of them. I only saw this dialogue now because I am making a harem Ian route where Lena brings in Louise and will hopefully later bring in Holly.

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We know Ivy wants to push Lena to be more slutty, but when push comes to shove and she has the opportunity to completely push Ian, who is the main obstacle to Lena being more slutty, out of Lena's life. Ivy defends him and calls out Lena on her hypocrisy. She then restates her opinion that Lena shouldn't be dating, but only because it seems that is what she believes to be in Lena's best interest.

Individual readers interpretations notwithstanding, I think Eva was trying to write Ivy as a good friend to Lena early on through showing that Ivy respect Lena's wish of not snitching her address to Axel.

Her (potential) decision/behavior becomes more grey in Ch 11 because my interpretation of IanxIvy convo is that Ivy may have been purposefully came late to LenaxAxel photoshoot because Axel asked her to with the promise of Wildcat recommendation or spot.

I think Ivy's justification then would be something like "she thought Lena could control herself since she was the one agreeing for coffee and then photoshoot in the first place"

I still think Ivy is a good friend, she has her flaws but she's a good friend in her own way.

I mean, Holly kissed Ian on the book trip despite guessing (really, knowing) that Lena has a crush on Ian.

I know they are new friends but Ivy is not the only ORS characters with flaws, someone as sweet as Holly also has their personal motivation and flaws.

 

[88stanford88]

I know a lot of people would love the Ian, Lena, and Holly throuple route but I'm also excited of this route with a cuck Ian and slut Lena. I could see them having this poly relationship only for Lena to use Ian's cuck fetish and slowly seduce Holly into becoming a slut too. Lena could pimp Holly to Mike and even her ex, Axel, while making Ian watch them get railed and Lena assuring Holly that this is what they deserve and Holly slowly getting turned on with the idea.

do it by yourself ... it is the best way... because by playing Ian as looser you will get a lot of Lena slut scenes and you will avoid to see useless Ian scenes!

...and of course you can rename your saves to turn back and check out for different routes in any case.

I really suggest playing how you want because I hate people who want to teach us what is the best path to play…
The best way is to play all the courses of the game and then choose which one you prefer... freedom is priceless

it's you who has to choose your path... that's why EvaKiss is a great writer... she writes in the right way to allow us to be free to choose our course

 

[fatpussy123]

I know people on here either absolutely hate Ivy or absolutely love her, personally I have no horse in that race, but something I have never seen brought up is this moment here on the path where Ian and Lena are crushing on each other and Holly kisses both of them. I only saw this dialogue now because I am making a harem Ian route where Lena brings in Louise and will hopefully later bring in Holly.

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We know Ivy wants to push Lena to be more slutty, but when push comes to shove and she has the opportunity to completely push Ian, who is the main obstacle to Lena being more slutty, out of Lena's life. Ivy defends him and calls out Lena on her hypocrisy. She then restates her opinion that Lena shouldn't be dating, but only because it seems that is what she believes to be in Lena's best interest.

Also Ivy is clearly an F95 poster.

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[| Vee |]

I know people on here either absolutely hate Ivy or absolutely love her, personally I have no horse in that race, but something I have never seen brought up is this moment here on the path where Ian and Lena are crushing on each other and Holly kisses both of them. I only saw this dialogue now because I am making a harem Ian route where Lena brings in Louise and will hopefully later bring in Holly.

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We know Ivy wants to push Lena to be more slutty, but when push comes to shove and she has the opportunity to completely push Ian, who is the main obstacle to Lena being more slutty, out of Lena's life. Ivy defends him and calls out Lena on her hypocrisy. She then restates her opinion that Lena shouldn't be dating, but only because it seems that is what she believes to be in Lena's best interest.

Yeah you can tell Eva is trying to write Ivy as a good friend to Lena


Individual readers interpretations notwithstanding, I think Eva was trying to write Ivy as a good friend to Lena early on through showing that Ivy respect Lena's wish of not snitching her address to Axel.

Her (potential) decision/behavior becomes more grey in Ch 11 because my interpretation of IanxIvy convo is that Ivy may have been purposefully came late to LenaxAxel photoshoot because Axel asked her to with the promise of Wildcat recommendation or spot.

I think Ivy's justification then would be something like "she thought Lena could control herself since she was the one agreeing for coffee and then photoshoot in the first place"

I still think Ivy is a good friend, she has her flaws but she's a good friend in her own way.

I mean, Holly kissed Ian on the book trip despite guessing (really, knowing) that Lena has a crush on Ian.

I know they are new friends but Ivy is not the only ORS characters with flaws, someone as sweet as Holly also has their personal motivation and flaws.

Some things I'd say regarding Ivy. SHE IS NO SAINT BY ANY MEANS and I say this not as a disrespect. Anyone, when a good opportunity appears, wouldn't miss it. Ivy from starting of the game has been taking Lena's side on Axel matter. She warns her to end things once and for all and move on. IF she did setup Lena and Axel's meeting by not coming(this happened is huge chance) than she is not at fault here bcz ultimately it was Lena's decision what SHE chose to do with Axel. Also setting up is not a good thing.

Another thing, Ivy many times suggests Lena to have fun and not to get attached bcz she has seen LenaxAxel situation. She pushes/advises Lena to have fun with Ian but tells Lena to avoid getting serious as to avoid getting hurt again. She may be saying this so that Lena should have some more time to grow out of Axel's whole debacle.

I also think that Ivy herself have some feeling for Lena more than friends or those feelings may be a defensive mechanism as there is no other close friend of Ivy other than Lena.

 

[| Vee |]

Also Ivy is clearly an F95 poster.

Or EK herself

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I know a lot of people would love the Ian, Lena, and Holly throuple route but I'm also excited of this route with a cuck Ian and slut Lena. I could see them having this poly relationship only for Lena to use Ian's cuck fetish and slowly seduce Holly into becoming a slut too. Lena could pimp Holly to Mike and even her ex, Axel, while making Ian watch them get railed and Lena assuring Holly that this is what they deserve and Holly slowly getting turned on with the idea.

I'd prefer a variation where all three get really close. Then a nympho Lena who can't control her slut tendencies repeatedly cucks them both as they look on together meekly, shell-shocked at this increasingly crazy bitch in their throuple inviting all these strange, scuzzy dudes from the truckstop home. (Though I'd imagine Lena or the scuzbag strangers might likely nudge a reluctant & intimidated but malleable & hero-whoreshiping Holly on from there. So six of one. Half dozen of the other. )

Either way, I highly doubt it will happen in this already massively multipath game.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Pole dancing Stan

He got them cakes.

 

[Finisher69]

How to unlock gallery? there is no mod for the ch11 beta.

 

[DeemLeem12]

do it by yourself ... it is the best way... because by playing Ian as looser you will get a lot of Lena slut scenes and you will avoid to see useless Ian scenes!

...and of course you can rename your saves to turn back and check out for different routes in any case.

I really suggest playing how you want because I hate people who want to teach us what is the best path to play…
The best way is to play all the courses of the game and then choose which one you prefer... freedom is priceless

it's you who has to choose your path... that's why EvaKiss is a great writer... she writes in the right way to allow us to be free to choose our course

Amazing! All I'm reading is a guy telling someone to climb up a tree when they're already above it. Do you also have a habit of telling servers to give you food as they're placing the food down? And by the way, she hasn't written this path yet, that's why I'm talking about the possibility of it.

 

[DeemLeem12]

I'd prefer a variation where all three get really close. Then a nympho Lena who can't control her slut tendencies repeatedly cucks them both as they look on together meekly, shell-shocked at this increasingly crazy bitch in their throuple inviting all these strange, scuzzy dudes from the truckstop home. (Though I'd imagine Lena or the scuzbag strangers might likely nudge a reluctant & intimidated but malleable & hero-whoreshiping Holly on from there. So six of one. Half dozen of the other. )

Either way, I highly doubt it will happen in this already massively multipath game.

I can see it happening since I think it will mostly be dialogue and relationship points decrease or increase. I don't think a lot of new scenes need to be added, at least not at the start. I could see a normal throuple where Ian and Holly have sex while Lena is busy working. At the same time, Ian and Holly could have the same scene while Lena is being a whore with Mike or whatever. The scene which in this example is a Mike scene could be an independent scene that we could see even in a non throuple route.

I imagine this could be the same system as, say, Ian-Cindy path. We see the same scenes in paths where Ian is romantically sincere with Cindy, or Ian wants Cindy to cheat on Wade or when Ian is cheating on Lena with Cindy. It's mostly monologue and dialogue that's different from each and sex scenes can simply be reused.

 

[| Vee |]

How to unlock gallery? there is no mod for the ch11 beta.

FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO UNLOCK GALLERY JUST DO THIS:
Start a new game and select Cheat path than the game will ask you if you want to enable the Gallery and voila. And if you want to lock the Gallery again do same thing and select disable Gallery.

It's available only in Ch11.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I can see it happening since I think it will mostly be dialogue and relationship points decrease or increase. I don't think a lot of new scenes need to be added, at least not at the start. I could see a normal throuple where Ian and Holly have sex while Lena is busy working. At the same time, Ian and Holly could have the same scene while Lena is being a whore with Mike or whatever. The scene which in this example is a Mike scene could be an independent scene that we could see even in a non throuple route.

I imagine this could be the same system as, say, Ian-Cindy path. We see the same scenes in paths where Ian is romantically sincere with Cindy, or Ian wants Cindy to cheat on Wade or when Ian is cheating on Lena with Cindy. It's mostly monologue and dialogue that's different from each and sex scenes can simply be reused.

Oh. The content for the most part is definitely already there (or will be) and I'm not disputing that it could happen easily with a few modifications, a few lines of code, a few dialogue modifications in each chapter to facilitate the path... Just like a large plethora of other situations where a few tweaks would make a path happen that a player wants. There-in lies the problem from a development standpoint, since that work adds up on a game with an already slow release schedule. We're already seeing Eva narrow down the focus and block off some other potentially easy alternate paths to feature, due to just that. So that's where my doubt comes in. Eva is likely in the position where she has to pick and choose just enough path outlines to please each general player preference without offering a wider variety of options for each (except for her pet favorites), due to development time. All these easily-implemented alternate paths could potentially be handled at the end, either by Eva or a fan with some spare hours to mod them. Not that I'd be at all against her developing this specific alternate path each update as the Holly-Trinity scenario develops. Could be fun. I'm just in doubt it'll happen right now, given the circumstances.

 

[Doppelgang]

I don't think it's as impossible as you say it is for Lena and Cherry to make up. The story treats Lena's anger towards Cherry as being partially irrational/something to be overcome. Even when Holly finds out about it, she basically says the two should talk it out/make peace. Also with some of the actions Lena can be far worse than Cherry.

Yeah, the “close to impossible” was meant for the possibility of anything romantically happening between them (and it might’ve been a too strong a way of wording it either way). I agree Holly’s comment is one of the things hinting at a possible change in the future. And while Lena (understandably) is irrational about it, Cherry seems very genuinely remorseful and intent on making sure she’s not making things uncomfortable for her again. So yeah, if they ever sit down and talk it through (which I assume they will), there’s a good chance Lena could at least see Cherry’s point of view—and realise that their situation has similarities in how they’ve been blinded by their infatuation with Axel and letting him manipulate them. And that she herself isn’t a saint either, of course. They’re canonically getting gradually more tied to the same group of friends, and it’s in everyone’s interest that they sooner or later find a way to deal with that.

Still, there’s a long way from that to anything sexual/romantical happening between them (which was what I meant by “content”, by the way), and I assume it would take a certain amount of time for it to be anything close to possible, with several story beats needed to gradually make it more believable. But hey, I wouldn’t have brought it up if I thought it was completely unlikely!

 

[ffive]

And while Lena (understandably) is irrational about it

I don't think there's really anything irrational about Lena being pissed off at Cherry for sleeping with her boyfriend behind her back and then getting into a threesome with her and Axel pretending this is all new to her. Regardless of Cherry's reasons.

 

[Doppelgang]

I don't think there's really anything irrational about Lena being pissed off at Cherry for sleeping with her boyfriend behind her back and then getting into a threesome with her and Axel pretending this is all new to her. Regardless of Cherry's reasons.

Well, it's obviously not irrational in the sense that you'd expect her to react in any other way. But it's irrational in the literal sense that her assessment of everything about it is controlled by her emotions, rather than having a logical, rational look at it. As a coping mechanism I have no doubts it's better for Lena to pass a black and white judgement of Cherry after what happened (I don't think I'd be interested in anything else myself), but it also prevents her from acknowledging how Cherry seems to feel really bad about what happened, and is constantly on her toes to make sure she doesn't bother Lena again. That very emotional reaction is presumably why Holly implies they should have a talk about it, and why Lena several times jumps to conclusions when she crosses path with Cherry again, e.g. when they meet at Ian's place and when she sees her with Axel outside Blazer.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Stan is a "nice creep". Holly is simply nice.

(although now i'm picturing Ivy and Lena training Stan, so thanks for that)

Holly forces herself in both of MCs storylines,theres nothing nice or organic about her.
If Stan is a nice creep Holly is a nice creep too,simple as.

 

[ffive]

Well, it's obviously not irrational in the sense that you'd expect her to react in any other way. But it's irrational in the literal sense that her assessment of everything about it is controlled by her emotions, rather than having a logical, rational look at it.

Well, this is actually what i disagree with -- being angry at Cherry for her action is logical and rational. Cherry herself acknowledges she has hurt Lena and in fact this is why she (allegedly) feels remorse in the first place.

Additionally, since Cherry has already shown herself to be a bare faced liar when dealing with Lena, and someone who had little regard for Lena's feelings, there's no rational reason for Lena to believe Cherry is being genuine about her regrets, or about justifications she provides. As such, treating Cherry and her actions with suspicion, as opposed to trusting her blindly despite the evidence to the contrary, is warranted.

 

[ffive]

Holly forces herself in both of MCs storylines,theres nothing nice or organic about her.

Holly doesn't force herself anywhere. Both MCs initiate/seek contact with her themselves. If Holly makes a move, it's based on how the MCs have interacted with her and influenced her behavior.

 

[Reaurt]

Now that I've mostly played through the game for the third time now (waiting for the final version of Chapter 11 before replaying that), and since people are chatting about Ivy...

I've grown to appreciate Ivy as a chaos agent. An instigator. A shit starter, if you will. The kind of person that you're glad you know, because they keep life interesting, but you hope you don't know too many of them. She plays that role for Lena as the protagonist (Jeremy and Perry split that role for Ian).

She's not perfect. She's perceptive and driven, but self-centered and inconsiderate. I also think she's making some strategic mistakes with her choices. Like doing erotic material online (Stalkfap) and then trying to join a high-end model brand (Wildcats), which is a transition that rarely happens in that order. But that combo of perceptive, driven, and inconsiderate makes for great fun. She is also humanized by the fact that she at least somewhat cares for Lena (from the prism of her own outlook and values, I don't think Ivy does empathy and perspective-taking).

 

[Skjall]

Pole dancing Stan

FFS. Some pople try to have a meal here! Be considerate