VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

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BloodyMares

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JoeSte91 said:
That being said, having your choices have consequences regardless of what Ian wants or is doing, is still more realistic and gives more depth to the choices that are made, because now you are actively competing with the other player. Like playing CK3 on co-op and one player declares war on France. Rather than join as an ally, a second player can declare war on France, take the territory and possibly even invalidate the original player's war. Suddenly the stakes are higher for player 1.
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For the competition to be fun you need to have an equal chance to "win". If the other player has unfair advantage over your fate (regardless if you choose to date Lena or not), then this "competition" is rigged from the start. If the option you asked for was possible, the player who plays as Lena could just corrupt your sweet Holly and you'd have no way to respond to that other than maybe call things off with Holly (assuming Ian even has an opportunity to learn about it). Basically you'd have no agency to counter Lena's actions or get back at her somehow. You couldn't compete with Lena because in that competition Lena always wins.
 
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I mean, let's compare how Ian can influence Holly and how Lena can do it:
1) Ian can fully commit to Holly.
2) Ian can start dating Holly but refuse to open up to her, which can push her into Lena's arms
3) Ian can kiss / fuck her once and stop things after that. That leaves Holly vulnerable to Ivy's and Lena's advances and suggestions.

The ways in which Lena can direct Holly's character:
1) Take her for herself after Ian rejects her / protect her from Ivy's advances
2) Let Ivy do her thing with Holly and possibly join
3) Push her towards Mark
4) Push her towards Stan
5) Push her towards Robert
6) Push her towards Marcel?
7) Seduce Holly while she's dating Ian and make her question her feelings for both
8) Refuse to sleep with Holly which allows Holly to make a move on Ian regardless of his own actions (as long as he's not dating Lena)

So, Ian only has one way to influence Holly in a way that benefits HIM. The 2 other consequences of his actions benefit Lena. While Lena has only one consequence that benefits Ian while having 7 other ways to direct Holly's character that benefit Lena either by opening a sex route between them or by getting amusement from Holly's corruption.

Considering that Holly was introduced as a character in Ian's social circle who has a canonical crush on him, Lena already has way too much power over Holly. Let Ian enjoy at least his one potential win if he played his cards right.
 
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88stanford88 said:
LLLEEEENNNNAAAAAAAAAA
vote for her!
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YES!
Eva should skip Ian as MC if the updates are still 5-6 months long! If she concentrates only on Lena (like Ashley)...we have updates in only 2-3 months and Eva wouldn't have so much stress!

So...vote for Lena! :love:

update: 50% reached - thats quite a dominance, just wow!

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Does anyone know the best way to write the book?
I remember seeing it here but cant find it.
can someone help?
 
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Here are the changes to it: The complete iteration of this release is finally here. It took a while since I've been ironing out some obscure narrative bugs (BloodyMAres help is being invaluable in this task), and I've also added new music. Lena's second song, "Shine Again", has been fully realized with an original composition and lyrics, so if you got the mini-game choices right, you'll be able to listen to it during the concert scene in Chapter 8 , but I've also attached the mp3 file in this post so you can check it out right away! I've also added two new narrative scenes that weren't present in the Beta, nothing major, but it sheds light on a new plot point in the Seymour route as well as detail a bit more of Ian and Lena's relationship.
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THANK YOU!
 
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KristopheH said:
I'm disappointed that there are still missing scenes in the Gallery of this supposedly "Final" version.
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The Gallery is done by PilotLara entirely on her free time and just because she's enthusiastic about it. She's not getting paid for it. Treat it as a fan mod, which is simply included into the game. The game IS Final, it's just the Gallery is a separate entity. If you click on the WIP entry, it does say that this Gallery, while endorsed by the creator, is not made by Eva Kiss and it's a one-person effort. If it wasn't for Lara, the game wouldn't have the Gallery at all.
 
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I've also added two new narrative scenes that weren't present in the Beta, nothing major, but it (..) detail a bit more of Ian and Lena's relationship.
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For these curious: Ian can now pick up on Louise calling Lena her mistress, and learn about their relationship as a result. Also, a cheating Lena (or one that has MFM fantasy) can potentially angle for a future MFM threesome, now that Ian has gotten himself a FMF one. :whistle:
 
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BloodyMares said:
The Gallery is done by PilotLara entirely on her free time and just because she's enthusiastic about it. She's not getting paid for it. Treat it as a fan mod, which is simply included into the game. The game IS Final, it's just the Gallery is a separate entity. If you click on the WIP entry, it does say that this Gallery, while endorsed by the creator, is not made by Eva Kiss and it's a one-person effort. If it wasn't for Lara, the game wouldn't have the Gallery at all.
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I get that. Still, a little mention in Eva's post to let us know that the gallery's still incomplete, and maybe give an ETA, would have been nice.
 
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BloodyMares said:
For the competition to be fun you need to have an equal chance to "win". If the other player has unfair advantage over your fate (regardless if you choose to date Lena or not), then this "competition" is rigged from the start. If the option you asked for was possible, the player who plays as Lena could just corrupt your sweet Holly and you'd have no way to respond to that other than maybe call things off with Holly (assuming Ian even has an opportunity to learn about it). Basically you'd have no agency to counter Lena's actions or get back at her somehow. You couldn't compete with Lena because in that competition Lena always wins.
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Then it's simply a matter of balance and Ian should have choices introduced that counter Lena, either preemptively or after the fact.

At the moment, rather than offering an unfair option, the game simply doesn't allow it at all. By all means, include the storyline that comes from Ian finding out that Lena pushed Holly to cheat on him, where Ian goes on a John Wick style rampage of ruining Lena's life in return. Honestly that sounds pretty fun. Maybe his propensity for revenge is based on the chad/cuck scale, maybe how effective he is, is dependent on how well Lena has secured herself with contacts to Seymour and Axel. There's a lot of ways that story could go.

But I understand Eva already has a lot of work involved in the project. I don't begrudge her for not giving herself more to do.
 
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So I know you can make Ian into a complete loser who Lena is cheating on (although I don't think they're ever formally dating, but it is assumed from Ian's perspective) and humiliating.
But is there currently any content the other way around where Lena is exclusive to Ian and submissive whilst he's fucking everyone he can?
 
JoeSte91

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ffive said:
It's not a competition when one participant wins by default. Neither there's more depth -- i've mentioned it already, but having actions of both actors matter provides more possible paths/outcomes than one simply controlling the whole thing.

Note, the scenario described by BloodyMares does have room for active competition from both players over Holly. But it doesn't simply hand a win to one of them as soon as they decide to participate.
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They only win by default because it was a glitch, so it was never designed to factor in the relative checks of how strong Ian/Holly's relationship is, how strong Holly/Lena's friendship is, how much of a cuck Ian is, whether Ian has talked about or looked at other 'hotter' women when Holly's nearby. (For instance, there's the very early example of Ian and Holly meeting Ian in the cafe and Holly comments on how pretty Lena is. Ian can agree or suggest that he's never noticed, or just comment on Holly being insecure. I don't know the code so I don't know how that's factored at the moment.)

And then, as I said to Mares, you can add in counter balances after the fact, and give Ian the opportunity to corrupt/sabotage relationships on the other side.

I don't think it should be the main thrust of the game, but seeing how the consequences of actions impact the other MC? Allowing a back and forth of how their actions have knock on effects on each other's lives? Within certain paths, that would have been very interesting to play out and see, and to even use that sense of revenge and vengeance as a corrupting factor for Ian himself. But on a path where both Ian and Lena are being played to be 'good' this scenario would obviously never crop up.
 
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