VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[SerHawkes]

Yeah it's disappointing as fuck to see how only 11 chapters in Ian and Ivy are just fucking now starting to hang out and actually flirt, even though in the OOG we had Ivy kiss Ian on the cheek, to then have a flirty moment, to the shitty current state. Eva's fucked up big time and continues to cater to the fetishists than actually stay true to her story. Sure, fetishists are nice once in a fucking while, but to have them in over and over again while glossing over your own story or even neglect certain characters, specially ones who have had zero content? Yeah, EK gets F on that regard.

26) Ivy is primarily intended as a major character in Lena’s story, but Eva plans to have Ivy be more involved with Ian’s narrative “down the line”.

"Down the line..." So likely fucking never. Way to completely fucking screw over the fans who have been waiting since the first release EK. Round of a fucking applause. Welp, looks likely I'll be drop kicking this game then and going nuclear on her discord then.

 

[kinkyshin]

Yea, that'll show her

 

[camube]

is 16 chapters enough to explore all that is left?

that's just 5 more chapters, more like 4, since last chapter is for wrapping everything up

 

[SerHawkes]

is 16 chapters enough to explore all that is left?

that's just 5 more chapters, more like 4, since last chapter is for wrapping everything up

No. It's not. But given how EK is almost always bound to writers block, getting over worked on her own project, and other excuses, she's likely gonna shoehorn in as much fetish content as possible while screwing over her own vison of the story just for the pay checks. Which pretty much translates to a already below average story getting far far worse, characters that you would have hoped to have content with getting passed over, yet again, in place of cringy Stan getting a pity fuck with Lena, Lena-Holly-Cindy getting blacked without any true work up just to appease the bbc fetishist, and not to mention Ian getting cucked and NTRed by Jeremy or Marcel or who the fuck ever, again just to appease the fetishists, while shafting over characters like Ivy-Ian, Emma-Ian, and others who have been neglected and shafted countless times.

 

[Tierra_Azul]

is 16 chapters enough to explore all that is left?

that's just 5 more chapters, more like 4, since last chapter is for wrapping everything up

It'll probably go full mindless fuck fest like GGGB did after Eric died/returned, that's when EK got bored and hastily rounded up the good/naughty girl part and shelled out mostly shallow Tyrone/Arthur content for the Bimbo/porn Ash route. Replace Tyrone/Arthur with the insufferable duo of Jeremy/Stan and you probably have Lenas content for the future releases.

 

[yuvce]

is 16 chapters enough to explore all that is left?

that's just 5 more chapters, more like 4, since last chapter is for wrapping everything up

Minimum of 18 chapters was required imo for it to not become half assed. But since it's 16...

 

[SerHawkes]

Minimum of 18 chapters was required imo for it to not become half assed. But since it's 16...

It's gonna be half assed to kingdom come. Story is gonna be rushed and lack depth and everything. All because she will be appeasing the kink fans and shit. And to think, this game would have been truly remarkable. Now, it's gonna turn into just another shitty kink game which are a dime a dozen.

 

[Mravac Kid]

Love the votes of confidence here... you guys certainly make the authors feel appreciated. /s
Also... " already below average story "? Dude, have you *seen* the other stuff around here? This is orders of magnitude better than most other stuff. Average? <insert Inigo Montoya gif here>

 

[SerHawkes]

Love the votes of confidence here... you guys certainly make the authors feel appreciated. /s
Also... " already below average story "? Dude, have you *seen* the other stuff around here? This is orders of magnitude better than most other stuff. Average? <insert Inigo Montoya gif here>

Beg pardon. Some of us call it like it is. Like what do you honestly expect? Kissing a Devs ass, praising them constantly, hoping they deliver on content only to not get it for 3+ years, and we should sing praises and support the dev? Yeah, like that truly fucking happens. Not everyone here is a kiss ass or simp to Devs in that regard, specially ones who fail to deliever content or sell themselves out to appease fetishists all for a quick cash.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Evakiss being radio silent=check
The usual suspects complaining about Ivy content=check
Chances of the words Stan and rework being used in the next 5-10 posts=90%

 

[| Vee |]

Evakiss being radio silent=check
The usual suspects complaining about Ivy content=check
Chances of the words Stan and rework being used in the next 5-10 posts=90%

We are just hurt that ORS is not able to peak it's potential!

 

[Nikko_]

So this is more of a reply to different posts.
- 16 chapters does seem to little. But how the fuck does EK ending it to soon relates to "All because she will be appeasing the kink fans and shit appeasing the kink fans and shit"? One is not the consequence of the other. If she is cutting it short is because she is getting tired of it, and/or because she doesn't want to still be doing it in 2+ years.
- Her last point EK writes "she intends to build up the spiciness of the scenes in ORS but wants to keep the story semi-realistic". In another point she says there will be more 3somes and pregnancy. To me that fits the "spiciness and keeping it semi-realistic". So no fuckfest aside maybe for "Bimbo Alison".
- Again, coming from GGGB and Eva expressing she wanted this to be semi-realistic meant the some fetishes would come into play.
- Lets review chapter 1:
Who is introduced: For Ian: Bitch boss is introduced, Friend with hot model-like gf is introduced, Athletic black-man friend who works in a bar is introduced. For Lena: bitch redhead-friend, Overweight shy computer geek roomate, Poledancer girl, etc. So let's put Alison development aside; and you cant tell me that from very early on the personalities for who was who and how things could develop werent present.
You keep blaming the fans fetishes. But again aside from Alison the story developed according to how it was set up. All I am seeing is: it went downhill because that is not how I wanted it.
It is very possible that it will go down hill, but as of now I don't think it has. A lot of what yall are writing is what you THINK will happen. So I stand by my previous post

 

[| Vee |]

So this is more of a reply to different posts.
- 16 chapters does seem to little. But how the fuck does EK ending it to soon relates to "All because she will be appeasing the kink fans and shit appeasing the kink fans and shit"? One is not the consequence of the other. If she is cutting it short is because she is getting tired of it, and/or because she doesn't want to still be doing it in 2+ years.
- Her last point EK writes "she intends to build up the spiciness of the scenes in ORS but wants to keep the story semi-realistic". In another point she says there will be more 3somes and pregnancy. To me that fits the "spiciness and keeping it semi-realistic". So no fuckfest aside maybe for "Bimbo Alison".
- Again, coming from GGGB and Eva expressing she wanted this to be semi-realistic meant the some fetishes would come into play.
- Lets review chapter 1:
Who is introduced: For Ian: Bitch boss is introduced, Friend with hot model-like gf is introduced, Athletic black-man friend who works in a bar is introduced. For Lena: bitch redhead-friend, Overweight shy computer geek roomate, Poledancer girl, etc. So let's put Alison development aside; and you cant tell me that from very early on the personalities for who was who and how things could develop werent present.
You keep blaming the fans fetishes. But again aside from Alison the story developed according to how it was set up. All I am seeing is: it went downhill because that is not how I wanted it.
It is very possible that it will go down hill, but as of now I don't think it has. A lot of what yall are writing is what you THINK will happen. So I stand by my previous post

I will say this and will chose to agree to disagree. EK is trying to "Salvage" what vision of ORS she had. We are shouting fetish-driven that was all happening till CH11(except some starting chapters) as EK herself mentioned that she went with "Fans suggestion and now will continue her vision of story" something among these lines, if you will read her last Q&A you will find this. In the end we are all here (if we don't die) we'll see how much salvation will she do by "cutting down chapters thus, limiting story lines of different character's in 4 chapter's(if 16)".

 

[yuvce]

I will say this and will chose to agree to disagree. EK is trying to "Salvage" what vision of ORS she had. We are shouting fetish-driven that was all happening till CH11(except some starting chapters) as EK herself mentioned that she went with "Fans suggestion and now will continue her vision of story" something among these lines, if you will read her last Q&A you will find this. In the end we are all here (if we don't die) we'll see how much salvation will she do by "cutting down chapters thus, limiting story lines of different character's in 4 chapter's(if 16)".

Agreed. If she does somehow make it work with 16 chapters, then fair enough. But right now, I'm not very confident.

 

[BlandChili]

Eva has also been somewhat cautious with certain aspects of this game.

Robert got more than one revision to make him more palpable to the people who found him creepy, Stan wasn't the first guy in that regard. She also changed Billy's race after Alison had her threesome with him and Jeremy, seemingly to curb any comparisons between her and the Eva route from GGGB where she became a BBC-gangbang-whorebiscuit. There's also been complaints about racist and transphobic dialogue which I imagine hasn't exactly boosted her confidence.

That added to an increasingly difficult ambition to release updates somewhat regularly, perhaps she just figures she should wrap it up and move on to bigger and better things? It's a pity because I also feel like the climax of the story has barely been hinted at yet.

 

[Mr_Ainz]

Eva has also been somewhat cautious with certain aspects of this game.

Robert got more than one revision to make him more palpable to the people who found him creepy, Stan wasn't the first guy in that regard. She also changed Billy's race after Alison had her threesome with him and Jeremy, seemingly to curb any comparisons between her and the Eva route from GGGB where she became a BBC-gangbang-whorebiscuit. There's also been complaints about racist and transphobic dialogue which I imagine hasn't exactly boosted her confidence.

That added to an increasingly difficult ambition to release updates somewhat regularly, perhaps she just figures she should wrap it up and move on to bigger and better things? It's a pity because I also feel like the climax of the story has barely been hinted at yet.

Most of what you said has been discussed in this forum but I know Eva Kiss doesn't visit these forum so I'd like to know how similar the discussions are on the discord/patron side of the community. My assumption is that people will be more amicable and understanding of her vision on those spaces

 

[SerHawkes]

Most of what you said has been discussed in this forum but I know Eva Kiss doesn't visit these forum so I'd like to know how similar the discussions are on the discord/patron side of the community. My assumption is that people will be more amicable and understanding of her vision on those spaces

Her discord is more kiss assing sycophants with some that may express their issues with it but will be entirely ignored overall. Speaking from personal experience.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Yeah it's disappointing as fuck to see how only 11 chapters in Ian and Ivy are just fucking now starting to hang out and actually flirt,

"How to tell everybody I am an idiot without telling everybody I am an idiot"

Ivy is Lena's friend and she got no other connection to Ian. As far as I know and understand Ian's character he is not the most confident guy either to just stalk her outside of her workplace and start flirting with her. Every time they met was either by coincidence(like in the bar with Jeremy or in the gym) or through Lena, it was crystal clear from the first chapter it will take some time or would never happen.

 

[Reaurt]

Most of what you said has been discussed in this forum but I know Eva Kiss doesn't visit these forum so I'd like to know how similar the discussions are on the discord/patron side of the community. My assumption is that people will be more amicable and understanding of her vision on those spaces

I lurk on the Discord now and then. My impression is that EvaKiss occasionally reads the Discord, but usually doesn't get involved with the discussions. The closest the Discord people usually get is interacting with someone who has a direct line of communication to her (bug-tester, etc.).

She occasionally interacts more directly with Patreon fans, but the Patreon blog post style doesn't really allow for discussions like a forum.

To answer your question, the tone is less negative on Discord/Patreon, for better or worse. Better because many complaints are just not helpful, but worse because any actual constructive feedback is less likely to be heard. I'll guess that the less negativity is due to (1) the people on Discord/Patreon buying into Eva's process (literally), so they may feel less need to complain, (2) some social pressure on those forums to not complain as much, especially on Discord with moderators being active contributors in the conversation, and (3) size. There's about 28,000 people active on F95 as I post this. There's a little over 1,100 on the Discord, and I think only a fraction of those are able to access all of the topic sections. There's a lot more opportunity for negativity with larger groups.

P.S. (4) this is a... unique forum. I can't imagine that every single scallywag pirate of such questionable treasure are warm, empathetic, altruistic folk. A lot more opportunity for freedom of expression, which cuts both ways.

 

[ffive]

is 16 chapters enough to explore all that is left?

We don't know, because only Eva knows what's actually left. So if they think the story has reached roughly 2/3rd point, am going to simply believe it, rather than clutch my pearls. The 20 chapters was very early estimate, and if EK has crammed more of the story in the 11 eps released up to now then good for them, and for us too -- maybe we'll see the game wrap up in 3 years instead of 5.