VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[BBC King]

Ashley's corruption at GGGB was horribly written. A nice and shy girl becomes a total whore in a couple of months and sucks dozens of dicks? Hard to believe. It was a fetish game with one-handed gameplay, nothing more, good for its time. But now GGGB looks weak, standards in AVNs have risen a lot.
At the same time, Lena is not a shy, uptight girl, she is quite relaxed and confident, not afraid to show her body by default. And the first 10 episodes of ORS were implemented well, much better than in the previous game. Lena becomes more depraved gradually and in ORS she has a motivation for corruption - financial need, which pushes her to solve her problems in the easiest possible way. Ashley didn't have that, there was no incentive to be more dirty. It was only the players kinks that made it like this. The situation with Lena's poverty, hard work, sick parents makes the player feel more reality of what is happening when she goes deeper into Stalkfap, or accepts Seymour's offer, becoming "bad".

Agree to disagree.

Yes, both Lena and Ian are established characters, just like everyone else in the cast. They're 22 and 26 respectively, it's normal for them to have defined backstory and experiences that go beyond "fresh out of high school know-nothing" blank slate from games which are all about corruption. (because, let's be honest, this is really what people who say they want to "mold character from nothing" actually seek)

That game was properly titled lol "Good Girl Gone Bad".

It's okay if that isn't your thing, but it doesn't by any metric make Lena poorly designed. Her design simply doesn't align well with your goals/interests -- her potential story arcs don't really include "corruption", that's more of a thing for Holly, which you mention. Also, ironically, perhaps for Cindy who has never cheated on her partner before and can be led down this path by Ian (who can also make her enjoy some things she wouldn't before)

I feel I was accurate in explaining MY frustrations and feelings toward the character.

 

[ffive]

Wade and Perry training arc to come back as ripped giga chads.

Spoiler for the ending of the arc:

 

[yuvce]

If Alison is this obsessive yandere who won't let Ian go, then why doesn't try to "reclaim" him after breaking up?

Breakups leave a stale taste in someone's mouth. When they started dating, she created this false belief that he's finally hers only for him to dump her for Lena. That changes her entire perspective of him. Whereas if Ian outright ignores her all throughout, no real damage has been done yet.

 

[yuvce]

Wade could be a heartthrob if he got out of that chair and started moving forward in his life, creating a goal like returning to music. Maybe, if Ivy and Wade have a sex scene, a certain member who uses a John Wick avatar would go crazy, right?

How I miss him, is he on vacation?

Wade fucking Ivy before Ian would be peak comedy,imagine the meltdown

No, Wade getting Ivy before Jeremy would be hilarious because he's the one actually going out of his way to score with her.

 

[kino2]

Any impregnation content yet?

 

[Andrea9999]

Any impregnation content yet?

Not yet....we are all still holding our breaths.

 

[SearingFive]

Any impregnation content yet?

Bimbo Alison, I guess for the plot. Normally these games put impregnation and the aftermath as the ending. Can't wait for the Baby-Trapper to spread her nets on Ian.

 

[LKC9Akison]

thx

 

[MF_DOOM]

Bimbo Alison, I guess for the plot. Normally these games put impregnation and the aftermath as the ending. Can't wait for the Baby-Trapper to spread her nets on Ian.

Forced abortion is a good solution in a case like this.

 

[BlandChili]

No, you should place yourself in her situation to understand it, then revert back to your own perspective and assess whether or not she is justified in her behaviour.

Well, I don't think I'd ever see another couple, viewing them from afar, acting like Wade and Cindy do to each other and think they were anything but dysfunctional. You don't even have to put yourself in Cindy's shoes to understand her frustrations regarding Wade, but with a similar perspective to hers I'd just wonder why she was with a man who clearly has quite different ideas of life to her.
I forget, was it ever indicated if Wade was Cindy's first boyfriend?

 

[DeemLeem12]

Well, I don't think I'd ever see another couple, viewing them from afar, acting like Wade and Cindy do to each other and think they were anything but dysfunctional. You don't even have to put yourself in Cindy's shoes to understand her frustrations regarding Wade, but with a similar perspective to hers I'd just wonder why she was with a man who clearly has quite different ideas of life to her.
I forget, was it ever indicated if Wade was Cindy's first boyfriend?

Doesn't matter. Marcel's BBC will replace all of Cindy's memories with Wade.

 

[BlandChili]

Doesn't matter. Marcel's BBC will replace all of Cindy's memories with Wade.

Doesn't really say much, I doubt Wade is that memorable to begin with.

 

[SearingFive]

Well, I don't think I'd ever see another couple, viewing them from afar, acting like Wade and Cindy do to each other and think they were anything but dysfunctional. You don't even have to put yourself in Cindy's shoes to understand her frustrations regarding Wade, but with a similar perspective to hers I'd just wonder why she was with a man who clearly has quite different ideas of life to her.
I forget, was it ever indicated if Wade was Cindy's first boyfriend?

Wade was pretty chill and outgoing during his college days. Jeremy even acknowledged him on how he had that player mentality and the girls would be all over him.

if ian_wits > 2
            c "Yeah... He wasn't like this at all when I met him."
            i "Well, he was always a bit like that, actually. Chill, taking things easy, never trying too hard..."
            c "Yeah, but I kind of liked that about him. He was cool, I guess. But he used to be more active."
            i "Something happened to him?"
            c "I wouldn't say so... I mean, I know he was not exactly thrilled with his last job, but it's been a whole year since they fired him!"
            c "And it doesn't look like he has any desire to get a new job..."
            i "Maybe he's depressed or something?"
            $ fcindy = "serious"
            c "What? No!"
            c "It's just that he's not interested in doing anything anymore! Just staying home, playing his video games, maybe going out with me once or twice a week..."
            c "It's pretty drab, to be honest!"

Cindy/Ian talk about Wade at the bar. This convo only happens if Ian has more than 2 wits.

No, it was never disclosed that Wade was Cindy's first BF.

Breakups leave a stale taste in someone's mouth. When they started dating, she created this false belief that he's finally hers only for him to dump her for Lena. That changes her entire perspective of him. Whereas if Ian outright ignores her all throughout, no real damage has been done yet.

Alison blurts out the L word way earlier in the game if she was fooling around with Ian. No wonder she grows cold towards him, talking about being an FWB and catching feelings. Where you implicitly told that you don't want a new relationship and keep things platonic.

Chapter 5
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
    a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"
    a "I love you, Ian!"
    if alison_satisfaction > 3:
        a "I love you so much!"

 

[BlandChili]

Wade was pretty chill and outgoing during his college days. Jeremy even acknowledged him on how he had that player mentality and the girls would be all over him.

I wasn't wondering why they got together, I can buy that Wade used to be a suave and charming rogue before settling down,my thoughts on the matter would remain the same though, non-understanding at their continued partnership.

No, it was never disclosed that Wade was Cindy's first BF.

Yeah I thought so, my thinking being that if he was her first that it could potentially contribute to her resistance at ending a clearly unhappy relationship. The first time breaking up is always the hardest, you feel like a failure.

 

[SearingFive]

I wasn't wondering why they got together, I can buy that Wade used to be a suave and charming rogue before settling down,my thoughts on the matter would remain the same though, non-understanding at their continued partnership.

Yeah I thought so, my thinking being that if he was her first that it could potentially contribute to her resistance at ending a clearly unhappy relationship. The first time breaking up is always the hardest, you feel like a failure.

Absolutely correct, first time breaking up is hard and cuts the deepest if it was a serious relationship and it makes you afraid to move on. They have been at it since Wade lost his job one year prior. Cindy went bold only when she got the modelling gig from Axel and validation from Ian to pursue her dreams and fortify her confidence. They would've broken up later slowly and mutually, but the modelling gig fast-tracked it quite a lot.

 

[| Vee |]

...Alison blurts out the L word way earlier in the game if she was fooling around with Ian. No wonder she grows cold towards him, talking about being an FWB and catching feelings. Where you implicitly told that you don't want a new relationship and keep things platonic.

Chapter 5
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
    a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"
    a "I love you, Ian!"
    if alison_satisfaction > 3:
        a "I love you so much!"

This is when they were having sex. So, this doesn't really count as expressing your love as your feeling are over the place when you are intimate(having sex) with someone as that all can be taken as just a spur of moment by the way of saying it too. But if you compare this to IanxLena sex scene than you can see when Lena blurted out "I love you Ian!" when she was having sex with Ian, that caught Ian off guard as he wasn't expecting that(I'm talking about the path if IanxLena are not couple) and she just straight up blurted those words.

 

[| Vee |]

Absolutely correct, first time breaking up is hard and cuts the deepest if it was a serious relationship and it makes you afraid to move on. They have been at it since Wade lost his job one year prior. Cindy went bold only when she got the modelling gig from Axel and validation from Ian to pursue her dreams and fortify her confidence. They would've broken up later slowly and mutually, but the modelling gig fast-tracked it quite a lot.

Exactly, now she has something to look forward to, which she can view as purpose of life as she talks with Ian when they went to museum, now she feels that excitement which she was lacking and Wade is just pulling her back so she feels like it's her moment to shine in life and therefore kick Wade to the street after all, dude himself is sabotaging himself.

 

[SearingFive]

This is when they were having sex. So, this doesn't really count as expressing your love as your feeling are over the place when you are intimate(having sex) with someone as that all can be taken as just a spur of moment by the way of saying it too. But if you compare this to IanxLena sex scene than you can see when Lena blurted out "I love you Ian!" when she was having sex with Ian, that caught Ian off guard as he wasn't expecting that(I'm talking about the path if IanxLena are not couple) and she just straight up blurted those words.

We had a choice with Lena, Love and Lust (choke/slave) options. If you picked choke/slave it would negate the love option provided if Ian is not in love with Lena but Lena is in love with Ian. Lena loses some points from Ian if you choose the love option.

For Alison, she just needed satisfaction points to make it more clearer. Knowing her history with Milo we are sufficed to say they had a terrible relationship. Ummm, you don't say "I love you" so casually during that intimate moment, if you said it then you meant it one way or another. "I love you" is a literal boner killer if you are in a mutually casual relationship. She didn't say it once but twice. We all know that she's been crushing on Ian for some time.

 

[| Vee |]

We had a choice with Lena, Love and Lust (choke/slave) options. If you picked choke/slave it would negate the love option provided if Ian is not in love with Lena but Lena is in love with Ian. Lena loses some points from Ian.

For Alison, she just needed satisfaction points. Knowing her history with Milo we are sufficed to say they had a terrible relationship. Ummm, you don't say "I love you" so casually during that intimate moment, if you said it then you meant it one way or another. "I love you" is a literal boner killer if you are in a mutually casual relationship. She didn't say it once but twice.

Yes I know about choke option variants.

Now for Alison part it was encouraged by Ian that's why I also mentioned

This is when they were having sex. So, this doesn't really count as expressing your love as your feeling are over the place when you are intimate(having sex) with someone as that all can be taken as just a spur of moment by the way of saying it too. But if you compare this to IanxLena sex scene than you can see when Lena blurted out "I love you Ian!" when she was having sex with Ian, that caught Ian off guard as he wasn't expecting that(I'm talking about the path if IanxLena are not couple) and she just straight up blurted those words.

If you read dialogues carefully there is clearly a difference between how Ian behaves and encourages Alison by saying

Chapter 5
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
    a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"
    a "I love you, Ian!"
    if alison_satisfaction > 3:
        a "I love you so much!"

Now Alison saying I love you is disguised by how Ian behaved and encourages her to be vocal. That's why Ian didn't take it seriously and both didn't have any conversation about it afterwards.

While IanxLena was a different behavior. Ian didn't encouraged her or anything. Lena was the one who couldn't control her emotions and said it aloud.

There is difference between how both IanxAlison behave together during sex and how IanxLena behave together during sex.

Later IIRC Ian and Lena's dynamic is also somewhat like how Ian is with Alison but Lena avoid saying "I love you Ian!" specifically!
(I'm talking about how vocal IanxLena get with eachother later on).

 

[SearingFive]

Yes I know about choke option variants.

Now for Alison part it was encouraged by Ian that's why I also mentioned


If you read dialogues carefully there is clearly a difference between how Ian behaves and encourages Alison by saying


Now Alison saying I love you is disguised by how Ian behaved and encourages her to be vocal. That's why Ian didn't take it seriously and both didn't have any conversation about it afterwards.

While IanxLena was a different behavior. Ian didn't encouraged her or anything. Lena was the one who couldn't control her emotions and said it aloud.

There is difference between how both IanxAlison behave together during sex and how IanxLena behave together during sex.

Later IIRC Ian and Lena's dynamic is also somewhat like how Ian is with Alison but Lena avoid saying "I love you Ian!" specifically!
(I'm talking about how they(IanxLena) vocal they get with eachother later on).

The first part was encouraged.
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"

a "I love you, Ian!"
This was unwarranted. She couldn't keep her feelings in check. Followed by

a "I love you so much!"

Ian simply ignored Alison's words because he didn't care. Ian/Lena and Ian/Alison have a totally different dynamic. Even if he doesn't love Lena he still cares for her deeply; on the other hand, he just sees Alison as an outlet nothing more nothing less by default. Which will change according to our choices.

Like I said, you blurt it then you meant it one way or another. It seems we have come to an impasse. You see it as a burst of emotion during the intimate moment which means nothing after that moment. I see it as a lingering back thought that came out during the heat of the moment and it meant something.