VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[GokutheG]

Yup those are Cameos. Every character is cameo except GGGB cast. EK mentioned it in some Q&A forgot which one was it. She didn't specifically named them but right after that Q&A we got these cameos.

So, Elli might be limited to cameo only, but EK is keeping track of her variables, but she did it with others cameo characters too and used only to tease Ian in specific routes and Elli variable was also used to tease IIRC.
So, can't say how much part they will play in the story.

I'm wondering what's the dev's plans for Eli are. Is she a later game romance addition for Lena or just a few quick scenes between them. Will she be used to show Lena just how bad Seymour's business practices are by making her lose her job?

 

[| Vee |]

I'm wondering what's the dev's plans for Eli are. Is she a later game romance addition for Lena or just a few quick scenes between them. Will she be used to show Lena just how bad Seymour's business practices are by making her lose her job?

Can be. There are many possibilities but knowing EK we may get a surprise in Lena's POV of CH12 or in coming chapters. OR these characters might be only limited to teasing. If I'm being honest I don't really know what EK wants to do with story at this point, is she doing this to keep story mysterious? might be. It is correct way to do things? may be? Am I being skeptical? Absolutely. EK done every almost thing opposite to what she said in Q&A. So I'd rather just wait till something major is revealed in story after the beach trip.

 

[GokutheG]

Can be. There are many possibilities but knowing EK we may get a surprise in Lena's POV of CH12 or in coming chapters. OR these characters might be only limited to teasing. If I'm being honest I don't really know what EK wants to do with story at this point, is she doing this to keep story mysterious? might be. It is correct way to do things? may be? Am I being skeptical? Absolutely. EK done every almost thing opposite to what she said in Q&A. So I'd rather just wait till something major is revealed in story after the beach trip.

I'm thinking chapter 12 is focused on the beach party and mma, 13 will be to cement relationships and 14 will have them move in together/career focused. I just have no idea how this will be done to maximize the drama for the future payoff.

Most of the drama seems like it will either be connected to whether Lena got with Ian or Axel. Or Wade's relationship with Cindy. I'm having a hard time coming up with anything for the other pairings (well besides Mike).

 

[Blurpee69]

Next to it there is a marijuana leaf and if you look closely it seems to be shit Wade, who the hell puts a plant that size next to the bed too unless it's marijuana, right?

If I'm honest, I never pay too much attention to it, it's because my eyes are fixed on Cindy's ass that I like to break (fuck you, Wade), that's why, right?
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Lol what? It's a maple leaf.

 

[Leongen43]

Lol what? It's a maple leaf.

The plant next to Cindy's bed was a joke but I guess you didn't realize, the painting is a marijuana leaf if you look closely.

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[SerHawkes]

Can be. There are many possibilities but knowing EK we may get a surprise in Lena's POV of CH12 or in coming chapters. OR these characters might be only limited to teasing. If I'm being honest I don't really know what EK wants to do with story at this point, is she doing this to keep story mysterious? might be. It is correct way to do things? may be? Am I being skeptical? Absolutely. EK done every almost thing opposite to what she said in Q&A. So I'd rather just wait till something major is revealed in story after the beach trip.

I mean your not wrong. Almost everything she said she wanted/didn't want to do she ends up doing the opposite.

Says she has no plans on adding more characters as the cast is already full. What does she do? Add more characters ala cameos or one offs with no explaining why she just went against her own claim.
Doesn't want to make ORS in essence GGGB2. What happens? Pretty much is heading towards GGGB2 in terms of everything.

To me, and this is meer speculation, EK doesn't have confidence in her storytelling. It started off well at the beginning, but somewhere between Wade's rework and Stan's "rework" something happened. It almost seems she lost that fire and that confidence to stay true to her own version of her story and instead look what we have now. Pandered content, left field cameos, reworkings with no rhyme or reasoning. I also think part of the problem is that she is listening way too much to her patrons in their demands of things. Like it almost seems she "tries" to appease the 'vocal' elements but in essence continuely move away further and further from the story she wants just to keep that steady income.

I also think another part of the problem is that she pushes herself onto deadlines of 'wanting to put out and update in 4 months' or so. Not to mention her constant issue with writers block and what not. Personally, I think EK should take a step back from this game a bit and recalibrate herself. Stop trying to appease everyone. Cause hell, her appeasing has left those of us who have been waiting ever so patiently for Ian-Ivy to happen completely jaded from the game. Stop pushing herself on deadlines. If the update or chapter takes 5-6 months or more then so be it. Not to mention, not EVERY update has to have a whole bunch of sexual content. There are some VNs out there now, Projekt: Passion for example, that had maybe 1-2 lewd moments but had story and character progression. A bit of fan service or teasings is all well and fine, but lets be honest the story hasn't picked up. It's been dogged by cameos and pandered content. And I'm likely gonna be in the minority here, and likely some people trying to slap me around (jokes on them I'm into that shit), but I think ORS and EK need a bit of recalibrating here.

 

[SerHawkes]

What the hell happened with your sigs?

Fixed them. Didn't notice them till now. Oddness abound.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Yup those are Cameos. Every character is cameo except GGGB cast. EK mentioned it in some Q&A forgot which one was it. She didn't specifically named them but right after that Q&A we got these cameos.

So, Elli might be limited to cameo only, but EK is keeping track of her variables, but she did it with others cameo characters too and used only to tease Ian in specific routes and Elli variable was also used to tease IIRC.
So, can't say how much part they will play in the story.

I doubt Elli is a cameo. Character is far too hot (no offense to patreons, but Occam's razor/Law of averages). Unless this is another situation like DasHole's where a patreon's designed character was awarded a spot of some sort. But I doubt that.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I think Eli (Elli?) is likely another lesbian relationship alt to whatshername for Lena, due to whatshername's failing out of the Crazy/Hot diagram. Maybe a Lena/Ian threesome prospect, too.

 

[ffive]

I imagine Elli and the new dude who shows up at the bar are late game hookup options for Lena, to keep things from getting stale.

 

[Leongen43]

I imagine Elli and the new dude who shows up at the bar are late game hookup options for Lena, to keep things from getting stale.

I guess you're right because its introduction felt like filler and without a story that contributes anything significant in ORS, even the sex scenes are a copy and paste of other previous sex scenes, I hope that in the following updates it depends less on these practices, true?

 

[GokutheG]

I mean your not wrong. Almost everything she said she wanted/didn't want to do she ends up doing the opposite.

Says she has no plans on adding more characters as the cast is already full. What does she do? Add more characters ala cameos or one offs with no explaining why she just went against her own claim.
Doesn't want to make ORS in essence GGGB2. What happens? Pretty much is heading towards GGGB2 in terms of everything.

To me, and this is meer speculation, EK doesn't have confidence in her storytelling. It started off well at the beginning, but somewhere between Wade's rework and Stan's "rework" something happened. It almost seems she lost that fire and that confidence to stay true to her own version of her story and instead look what we have now. Pandered content, left field cameos, reworkings with no rhyme or reasoning. I also think part of the problem is that she is listening way too much to her patrons in their demands of things. Like it almost seems she "tries" to appease the 'vocal' elements but in essence continuely move away further and further from the story she wants just to keep that steady income.

I also think another part of the problem is that she pushes herself onto deadlines of 'wanting to put out and update in 4 months' or so. Not to mention her constant issue with writers block and what not. Personally, I think EK should take a step back from this game a bit and recalibrate herself. Stop trying to appease everyone. Cause hell, her appeasing has left those of us who have been waiting ever so patiently for Ian-Ivy to happen completely jaded from the game. Stop pushing herself on deadlines. If the update or chapter takes 5-6 months or more then so be it. Not to mention, not EVERY update has to have a whole bunch of sexual content. There are some VNs out there now, Projekt: Passion for example, that had maybe 1-2 lewd moments but had story and character progression. A bit of fan service or teasings is all well and fine, but lets be honest the story hasn't picked up. It's been dogged by cameos and pandered content. And I'm likely gonna be in the minority here, and likely some people trying to slap me around (jokes on them I'm into that shit), but I think ORS and EK need a bit of recalibrating here.

I wonder how much of the writing block is due to the 2 protagonists. The dev is essentially writing 2 games at the same time and trying to keep track of all the variables must get exhausting.

I think the push to maintain deadlines is to keep the dev motivated when she faces problems aswell as to prevent accusations of milking. I do think that she's in serious risk of burnout eventually and I wouldn't be surprised if she took an extended break after the game is complete or a shorter one within 2 chapters.

 

[SerHawkes]

I wonder how much of the writing block is due to the 2 protagonists. The dev is essentially writing 2 games at the same time and trying to keep track of all the variables must get exhausting.

I think the push to maintain deadlines is to keep the dev motivated when she faces problems aswell as to prevent accusations of milking. I do think that she's in serious risk of burnout eventually and I wouldn't be surprised if she took an extended break after the game is complete or a shorter one within 2 chapters.

Probably to some effect. Though I would say more one protagonist (Lena) given how much Lena gets in terms of everything handed to her content wise while Ian, naturally is lacking. Sure, Lena is EKs likely favorite in a sense, they are going to get more of the screen time so to speak. But again, EK is the one who decided to go with two protagonists this round. If she was smart (which is questionable) she would have had this story already planned out in a sense. Or atleast a true general theory. Thats not the case here. It's all hodgepodged on a whim storytelling with pandered content ad nausaum.

In all likelyhood IF EK were to do a third game, she's not gonna do two protagonists again. She's already sinking this ship metaphorically as is with the story and such.

 

[DeemLeem12]

Just wondering, has there been any Patreon supporter cameo in the game up till now?

You really want to see another Stan?

 

[| Vee |]

I'm thinking chapter 12 is focused on the beach party and mma, 13 will be to cement relationships and 14 will have them move in together/career focused. I just have no idea how this will be done to maximize the drama for the future payoff.

Most of the drama seems like it will either be connected to whether Lena got with Ian or Axel. Or Wade's relationship with Cindy. I'm having a hard time coming up with anything for the other pairings (well besides Mike).

MMA is done for Ch12 now the focus is on Ian's part of beach and dealing with Lena's debauchery + other sexual encounters with Emma, Lena, Holly + Sexting with Cindy(I really believe this will be topless sunbathing on yacht and depending upon path AxelxCindy will happen of not). Than Lena's POV which may include another round of slutting before beach trip and will merge with Ian's content + Holly and/or Emma content on beach. Than Epilogue will raise the questions about IanxLena and WadexCindy and CH13 will expand on that further after breakup or put up in both IanxLena and WadexCindy.

I wonder how much of the writing block is due to the 2 protagonists. The dev is essentially writing 2 games at the same time and trying to keep track of all the variables must get exhausting.

I think the push to maintain deadlines is to keep the dev motivated when she faces problems aswell as to prevent accusations of milking. I do think that she's in serious risk of burnout eventually and I wouldn't be surprised if she took an extended break after the game is complete or a shorter one within 2 chapters.

I do agree with you about burnout. I believe writer's block is the result of this "when you've 2 protagonists and buncha content + giving Poll characters content even if they appear once in polls, stagnant story no progression since ch10 making ch11 and ch12 filler chapters as of now, bringing cameos and including them in main story than giving them content too. In amidst of all this, not to omit the fact that you've to put up with scammers and on top of it release the said quicker updates + reworking IanxIvy, Wade, Stan and Ch11".

How the hell will she not get burnout!

 

[GokutheG]

Probably to some effect. Though I would say more one protagonist (Lena) given how much Lena gets in terms of everything handed to her content wise while Ian, naturally is lacking. Sure, Lena is EKs likely favorite in a sense, they are going to get more of the screen time so to speak. But again, EK is the one who decided to go with two protagonists this round. If she was smart (which is questionable) she would have had this story already planned out in a sense. Or atleast a true general theory. Thats not the case here. It's all hodgepodged on a whim storytelling with pandered content ad nausaum.

In all likelyhood IF EK were to do a third game, she's not gonna do two protagonists again. She's already sinking this ship metaphorically as is with the story and such.

I think she already knows where she want to take the game for the Lena/Ian route since this relationship seems to be the entire basis for this game. The dev is having trouble figuring out what to do with all the other relationships that the 2 can enter instead.

Now I'm curious as to how popular the Lena/Ian pair actually is and if it's as popular as she believed it would be. If they aren't the most popular pairing I wondered if there is a tier list for pairing of each mc.

Yeah I really think the 2 protagonist experiment won't be repeated for her next game because the challenge was much more then she was expecting.

 

[Blurpee69]

I think she already knows where she want to take the game for the Lena/Ian route since this relationship seems to be the entire basis for this game. The dev is having trouble figuring out what to do with all the other relationships that the 2 can enter instead.

Now I'm curious as to how popular the Lena/Ian pair actually is and if it's as popular as she believed it would be. If they aren't the most popular pairing I wondered if there is a tier list for pairing of each mc.

Yeah I really think the 2 protagonist experiment won't be repeated for her next game because the challenge was much more then she was expecting.

Personally, I really enjoy the Lena / Ian pairing, though it's not my favorite.

 

[SerHawkes]

I think she already knows where she want to take the game for the Lena/Ian route since this relationship seems to be the entire basis for this game. The dev is having trouble figuring out what to do with all the other relationships that the 2 can enter instead.

Now I'm curious as to how popular the Lena/Ian pair actually is and if it's as popular as she believed it would be. If they aren't the most popular pairing I wondered if there is a tier list for pairing of each mc.

Yeah I really think the 2 protagonist experiment won't be repeated for her next game because the challenge was much more then she was expecting.

I'm not talking about Route. I'm talking about the protagonists in general.

 

[SearingFive]

The romantic path for Ian/Lena feels natural. Though EK did push us early on to pursue each other. I'd say it's just because of other subpar male characters, Ian fits like a glove. Lena/Holly for the lesbian path is another one, wholesome and fulfilling.

EK took a big step on going with two protags, so many POVs and branching. She needs more time and should stop or indulge less with the patron's narrative of the story. Stick with her guns and complete it on her terms. If she is open about it I am sure people would understand and support her more. Pandering made her lose focus and sprouted loose ends in the story.

 

[SerHawkes]

The romantic path for Ian/Lena feels natural. Though EK did push us early on to pursue each other. I'd say it's just because of other subpar male characters, Ian fits like a glove. Lena/Holly for the lesbian path is another one, wholesome and fulfilling.

EK took a big step on going with two protags, so many POVs and branching. She needs more time and should stop or indulge less with the patron's narrative of the story. Stick with her guns and complete it on her terms. If she is open about it I am sure people would understand and support her more. Pandering made her lose focus and sprouted loose ends in the story.

Not wrong. The panderment all to get that patron money on 'Lena hooks up with X and does Y while doing Z while also cucking Ian because of... -spins the dial- micro penises' isn't a inspiring thing. Sure, EK and GGGB was fetishes and corruption which was all optional. With ORS, the plan was to move away from that with some certain indulgents. Yet of late, that hasn't been the case...